Official LYN FIA Formula One World Championship V4, Malaysian GP-1 Kimi,2 Kubica,3 Heikki
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 Oct 22 2007, 11:02 AM
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Raikonen,
Seeing how Ferrari mess up in 2005 and early 2006, it was clear that we cant see the future. Being fastest this year doesnt guarantee you are going to the at the same position next year. Next will be close. McLaren and Ferrari both going to have new Chief Engineer and that will affect the outcome of their new car. Just wait and see. Nothing is impossible... |
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Oct 22 2007, 11:16 AM
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QUOTE(evoHahn @ Oct 22 2007, 11:05 AM) Stop lar post comment as if Kimi has high regard of Mika. Kimi's never see himself as a successor of Mika. Whatever suits you...And to say McLaren is not competetive as Williams and BMW is little bit arrogant dont you think? Boy, i sure hatred has completely taken over you. And i bet you guys, Raikkonen will never quote my posts  Added on October 22, 2007, 11:07 am No not for me  Back to work... sienz of 2007... Until the very last moment also have problem... Straight away thrown McLaren out of 2007 would have solved every problem that has arise this year... including the crane thing... |
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Oct 22 2007, 11:37 AM
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QUOTE(evoHahn @ Oct 22 2007, 11:27 AM) then it will be a boring year and we'll never reached V4 Im not a Ferrari fan anymore starting this year.. at least i stood my ground supporting Mclaren  Like i said before, Ferrari has always the better car this year (like the stats i quoted for 3 posts, but Ferrari fan never bother to discuss bout it). imho, Ferrari should have wrap it up this years' title. Maybe Ferrari missed Brawn (Brawn is a British.... maybe he was rooting for Lewis) tactical shrewdness  About the crane thingy, did Lewis gained anything from it? Therefore I couldnt be bother to discuss about it. Besides Im not really interested in all this McRari stuffs. I just feel McLaren should look back and see what they have done wrong. It was theirs to lose it. I just fed up with all these decision that always make it to the courthouse even at the final GP. Even FIA themselves is in the blur about what to do. They make so many mistakes in their decision. They didnt penalise Hamilton for his part in Shanghai and it seems as they starting to forgive more and more probably in view that other may feel there may have been unfair judgement. |
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Oct 22 2007, 11:51 AM
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QUOTE(evoHahn @ Oct 22 2007, 11:42 AM) yeah agree with you on this. a post mortem is in order at Mclaren. Webber, Vettel, Kubica or Rosberg.Now, a question to all of you : if Alonso leave Mclaren (99% looks like he is) who will filled his spot? for me i would like Mika in the team back as supporting role to Lewis while developing next year car. Or maybe Paffet ( the DTM champ?) |
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Oct 22 2007, 12:09 PM
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FIA dig their own graveyard for 2007.
Enough said... 2008 and on will be a much much more complex as FIA tries to scrutine McLaren from using Ferrari data. Seeing the situation now really make me feel like forgeting F1 for a year or more. Its not a sport anymore. |
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Oct 22 2007, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE(Masculine @ Oct 22 2007, 12:13 PM) As much as I'm delighted to watch news this morning to see Kimi wins (I'm Ferrari fan), I really feel sad for Lewis.... that kid really got huge talent and good car to make history.... but inexperience really got into him.... I think he should drive easily to secure win even in the previous race.... the title was already in his pocket.... but that is all history... I doubt it will be as easy as this year in 2008.... As if you dont know, you cant win alone.Formula 1 is very dynamic.... it changes from race to race.... this year is a golden chance for Lewis... As for Alonso, my personal opinion.... don't like him lah... how can you ask for special attention as if you're the only one driving in formula 1.....  Mika Hakinen or Micheal Schumacher. Either one also has help from their teammates at times which contributes to their title win. David Couldthard let Hakinen pass in Australia when he was leading, pretty much just like what Barrichello did to Schumacher. If Massa didnt help Kimi, he would stay 2nd and lose by 1 point. So go figure... I think there's enough supporting evidence that success comes easier when you root for one guy to win it and the other as a support. It worked with Ferrari and McLaren. When you allow both drivers to compete, this isnt any different from Ralf vs Montoya in Williams a few years back. I guess its time for one car/driver per team. No more team tactics then. Thats when you finally said, the best guy wins... |
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Oct 22 2007, 12:53 PM
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Nevermind that anymore....
Im getting tired of F1. Might not watch F1 again if Hamilton get the title. Ppl were saying BMW gain advantage with the low temp thus allowing Kubica to overtook Alonso. How childish... too many idiots watching F1 now. Kubica is on 3 stops and lighter, not to mention fresh tyres for each stop. Thats the main reason. Besides proving them gaining advantage is just as hard as proving whether or not McLaren use Ferrari data. |
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Oct 22 2007, 05:19 PM
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Even FIA themselves has double standard when it comes to tiny little matter like this. This isnt about McLaren or Ferrari b****ing. This is about being fair.
First of all, the difference of reading between FOM and self-appoint contractor for the ambient temp. Secondly, the difference is only 2-3 degree. I dont know anything about fuel tech but if Mike Gascyone said they can gain anything from 5-10hp, easy just prove it. If it bring so much improvement, heck I would even lower it by 10c and gain 50hp. Lastly, the coincidence that it only happen to the 3 guys between Alonso and Hamilton is truly strange. FIA does scrutine check before and after the race. So how was it possible for a car that pass the scrutine check ok and then at the first stop being 2-3c cooler in temp. This post has been edited by kapitan: Oct 22 2007, 05:20 PM |
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Oct 22 2007, 06:37 PM
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QUOTE(evoHahn @ Oct 22 2007, 05:41 PM) i understand how you feel, but : ITV is NOT the official broadcaster of F1. FOM is. So ITV caters for the British public as its main target audience, not for worldwide audience. You must understand this. Hehe...Added on October 22, 2007, 5:44 pm Thats i said in previous posts that Ferrari fan should be so paranoid of Kimi losing his WDC title. Instead of that, I really hate seeing Hamilton win it anyway. Anyone but him.  I find it weird that you always say that Ferrari fans scare to lose this and that. If there's a losing side, its all McLaren to lose and they did just that. Like I said, FIA themselves are a mixed bag of idiotic. Now if someone come up and says rules are rules and we have to follow them... McLaren shouldnt really be in our view anymore. If they can do that for the good of the sport, I think this case is as good as gone. FIA is contravening their own rules with their stupid decision at times. Added on October 22, 2007, 6:41 pm QUOTE(Hornet @ Oct 22 2007, 06:31 PM) It's true that the constructors title wasn't won in the best way, but that doesn't meant McLaren should win the driver's title in the same manner. Its the stewards that cleared them, not FIA.From Lewis point of view, he's not going for just another title win, it would have been his first title win. If he wins it this way, it will forever be remembered as the win he gets after his team got someone else disqualified. This is because the FIA had already initially cleared both teams of any wrongdoings, so if they changed it and penalize them, it would be Ron Dennis who initiate it. There's a difference between winning it after FIA disqualified both team, and winning it after Ron Dennis appeal to have both team penalize when the FIA had already cleared them of any wrongdoings. The first one is fine but the second one isn't good at all. I don't see any cause to celebrate for the second scenario. If McLaren succeed in making Hamilton champion, few things could lead up. Ferrari is gonna appeal the verdict against McLaren and now wants them banned for 2 years. 2ndly, they might boycott next season... This post has been edited by kapitan: Oct 22 2007, 06:41 PM |
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Oct 22 2007, 07:10 PM
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QUOTE(bearbear @ Oct 22 2007, 06:55 PM) ya put more words to my mouth, did i said i would like Hamilton to win it? Cool down... its okay to voice out your opinion of it.You guys really are... Yes i may be biased but aren't you guys all the same?  ahh better juz shuddup, should rename this to Ferrari Thread or better still anti Hamilton thread Yep, it wasnt McLaren fault that BMW and Williams fuel was at lower temp. But then again, like I said b4, the scrutine check were done before and after the race. Why was the car fit to race in the first place? And how do they measure the temp? It was ok for the past races and only happened in Brazil? On top of that, F1 fuel rig is standardized. So thats another question mark. Last but not least, any advantage? Thats why FIA is so f***ed up. Both Ferrari and McLaren has gain or lose something in the past due to rulings and appeals. No need to debate Ferrari or McLaren fault... if there's any, IT HAS TO BE ON FIA (Federation of Idiotic Assailants). This post has been edited by kapitan: Oct 22 2007, 07:21 PM |
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Oct 22 2007, 07:18 PM
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Oct 22 2007, 07:13 PM) kapitan, even if the teams erred, the WDC standings SHOULD still stand, no? Based on previous decisions, teams have been made the scapegoats. Look at this way.FIA has repeatedly let some offenders go without punishment and that has happened way too often of late. I myself wasnt sure of what the verdict would be but definately I would want title to be decided on track rather than off track. Rules are rules but FIA has breach this simple sentence again and again.. Its likely that the same would apply in this case. It dont have to turn out to be another Mclaren vs Ferrari. |
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Oct 22 2007, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE(Hornet @ Oct 22 2007, 07:55 PM) Stewards decided they they are not illegal Well, cant blame him for trying.So why is mclaren still pushing for a penalty for them? Clearly Ron Dennis is trying to exploit the situation here to win the championship for his Lewis, which is so wrong. What else has he left to lose this year. This man has lost everything that he could have lost in the last 6months. Its not that the steward find that they aint illegal. Just that they have contradicting evidence which point both ways. And their decision does affect the outcome very severely. |
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Oct 24 2007, 02:47 PM
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The one who hit the pit crew lor...
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Oct 24 2007, 07:17 PM
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Oct 24 2007, 05:34 PM) The appeal by McLaren is to clarify things if this happens again in the future. Hehe... you said to clarify...Although there is no indicator in the car that says theyve breach the temps, there is something to be gain (not in terms of WDC points) in case advantage is gained with that act, deliberate or not. This will be important in the future if any teams are racing with others with this same scenario. Do you know that this is not the first time fuel irregularity happen in F1? To clarify or to gain advantage for Hamilton? McLaren is a bit cheeky here... They said they are appealing for clarification.. Once FIA said we should remove those drivers, and Hamilton will get the points he need. Then even if Hamilton doesnt want the title, McLaren make it sounds like, "oh we are giving the title to you". Taking the glory from Raikonen after they messed up. Brilliant but cheeky you can say. Someone will come forward and says, Ferrari will do the same too.. LOL I dont support Ferrari either but I too think chance are 99% they will do the same thing. Thats why I dont support teams anymore.. I rather watch my fav drivers battle themselves on the track than to bother about politic in F1. This post has been edited by kapitan: Oct 24 2007, 07:22 PM |
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Oct 24 2007, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE(seydee @ Oct 24 2007, 10:26 PM) Well, this is just an extension to the current ban. Nothing new IMO.Teams like Ferrari aint really developing the engine any longer. They are just fine tuning the throttle map for the best acceleration and reliability cos their engine runs well beyond the 19,000 RPM limit set by FIA. Because they were unable to unleash the power, they have instead turn to fine tuning the system. |
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Oct 25 2007, 12:06 AM
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Actually FIA wants to bring down the cost of F1 as not all the teams can afford the most up-to-date technology. By reducing the reliance on high tech, FIA want battle between drivers instead of cars. Its still far though.
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