Probably Force India team

the thread was for season 06/07. now season 07/08. Probably as the TS (linkinstreet) to PM admin to have the thread re-opened or somebody can start a new thread.

looks like that since Todt is steping down for next season.

bro, imho you might wanna post this in their forums, posting here wont do any good.

imho, because F1 is heavily influenced by Brits. iinm, they produce most of f1 world champion. The teams also (HQ) :

lets see :

Ferrari - HQ in Italy
McLaren - England
Renault - England
BMW - Switzerland
Honda - England
Williams - England
Toyota - Cologne, Germany
Red Bull - England
Torro Rosso - still in Italy i think
Super Arguri - England
Spyker - England, but dont know if they relocate to other places after changing to Force India

I was illustrating the fact that the Brits are like backbone in F1, in fact Kimi's race engineer is a brit. So dont be suprised if the media is leaning more towards British teams.

I dont know if they got a real reporter on the ground or just quoting other people stuff come to think of it, is there any trustworthy F1 website?

and yes Dyer is Australian, thank you for the info I never read bout his background, just watch his interview on tv

Red Bull Big Boss said he's not interested if Alonso joins them only for a year - this i read i todays' paper

then only left with Ferrari... 03 and 04 season will repeat again. YYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

and Mr Integrity wont be kicked out by Mclaren. why? he owns part of McLaren.

Then, renault should be fined too, no?

well i'm sick off Ferrari are the almighty do gooders and does not do any wrong doings.

imho,

i. Firstly, from what i read on mags and on internets, many believe that Alonso and Pedro emails exchanges does not have 100 % influence on WMSC desicion to punish McLaren. Remember the amnesty FIA offered and Alonso threatened Dennis with the emails?

ii. The FIA rules clearly stated that the floorboards must be rigid and must not move. So how is it that McLaren gain any advantages from this?

McLaren are punished for having Ferrari data, so why is Renault didnt get punish too?

FIA gave immunity for information regarding the scandal. Not for exchanging with the emails. and yes, the emails are useless, because, they (WMSC) could not ascertain that simulators info has been translated to the race car. If that have been proven, McLarens car should have been DQ long time ago.



This i have to ask the source of this. So Ferrari exploiting rules is okay with you?




Your claims are so far fetched lar bro, imho. First of all, you cannot tell if the boards are flexing just looking at the drawings or diagram. Two, simulators are not used to simulate aero properties of the cars. They use wind tunnel for that, iinm. simulators are more for training. Three, to simulate a Ferrari aero properties, they have to built a mock up of a scaled Ferrari car then ran it in the wind tunnel.

I wonder how on earth did Ferrari complained against McLaren 2nd brake pedal to the FIA in 1998?

imho, i think you should read the emails itself, the exchange of emails of Alonso and Pedro were about car setups.

Like, hornet post, he speculate that Mclaren used Ferrari data in the simulator program..



So you dont need test driver to run this kinda test, just racing engineer will do. That's why the emails exchanges, between alonso and pedro, imho, its not a big deal; its still considered in the hearing, but the judgement is not 100% based on the emails, imho.

and McLaren is penalised for in possesion of Ferrari data, but WMSC dont have conclusive proof that McLaren used it on their cars. So why you ask? because imho, there's no patent in F1 car design. This year Ferrari have zero keel design just like McLaren, so does this mean that Ferrari have stolen McLaren's info?

That's why McLaren is fined for in posession of Ferrari data and not disqualified from the championship.

Do they gain advantage? Thats why WSMC is uncertain and McLaren will be called upon again to face them.

McLaren doesnt ask for the info, but the info was smuggled out by Stepney, who i believe is unhappy at Ferrari.

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Added on December 10, 2007, 12:26 pmyes, weight distribution - its all about car setup.

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Added on December 10, 2007, 12:29 pmerr cool down bro.... FIA is not banning lar, freezing is the correct term. Engine is one portion of an F1 car performance.

Teams can still develop aero, electronic and tyres technology.

This post has been edited by evoHahn: Dec 10 2007, 12:29 PM

Well, with all the engine reliability and power it mean nothing if the tyres grained after only two laps of used and poor aero setups. Then why teams put a lot wings on their cars, built wind tunnels if only engine matters?

In fact V8s are faster than V10 in certain track, is it down to engine alone?


I think the main issue of freezing engine development is cost cutting. Let see 2007 line up :

i. Renault - engine by Renault
ii. Ferrari - in house engine
iii. McLaren - engine by Mercedes
iv. hONDA - engine by Honda
v. Williams - customer deal with Toyota
vi. Redbull - customer deal with Renault
vii. Toyota - engine by toyota
viii. Torro Rosso - customer deal with Ferrari
ix. Sauber - engine by BMW
x. Super Arguri - customer deal with Honda
xi. Spyker - customer deal with Ferrari.

Half of the team is buying engine for their use. So when the manufacturer of the engine, develop a new engine, they will pass it down to the customer. I think the recent casuality of engine wars in F1 is Cosworth and its a shame.

You see, if FIA can pull this cost cutting off, they will entince new car manufacturer into the sport... a return of Audi to F1 maybe or maybe the return of Yamaha and ultimately keep the smaller teams in F1.

Refering to your post, does this part of design involve a test driver? i think not. Thats why i think that the emails exchanges is not the important, in my view.

Back to our original discussion :

This is what Mosley said regarding why Renault escape punishment ""Renault admitted from the outset that the information was discussed among a wider circle of engineers."

so why is it that Renault escape any punishment?

Okay, this going to be a long one Lets recap. McLaren fans were complaining that FIA didnt punished Renault and yet fined McLaren (pg 62).

Then you post this ... (#1231)



and then this (#1240)



and (#1245)



So are you still saying that Renault shouldnt be punished . Let me make a simple analogy :

You have a Supra. Then i secretly broke into your car. But i didnt how to start your car. So, then i walk up to you and say " I broke into your car, but I couldnt start it up." Would you let me go free or would you report me to the police?

Oh please, dont use that example. Rules 3.35 (iinm) in the FIA's sporting rules stated that all aero parts must fixed securely. So Ferrari bending the rules is okay with you? Remember the onboard cam at Sepang 06?

I dont issues with my F1 memories, i think you are.

Alonso's penalty at Monza because he's impended Massa

Sepang 1999, despite Ferrari cars were declared illegal for having flexing part i think after the race, but FIA reinstate their points back.

McLaren third pedal system banned after Ferrari protest despite the system have been apporved by FIA technical comittee before the season start

and to prove my point



Ferrari didnt start at the back of the grid. They still start at the spot based on their qualification time. During the race, the stewards force them to pit to wets or they will be DQ'ed.

The original disscussion was why Renault didnt get punished and yet you go on about McLaren having Ferrari data (which McLaren have been fined for it) and FIA is not pro Ferrari.

but the main question : DO YOU STILL THINK RENAULT SHOULDNT GET PUNISHED?

Sorry for the long rant. I'm sorry that this post hurt you, but i'm trying to prove my point.

Actually, if you look back at the original discussion, we were complaining why Renault escape punishment. No mentioning of Ferrari getting special treatment from FIA - until you brought it up



Yes, they do complain. Go read up F1 Racing Mag. Lots of interesting comments in there. And in there got occasional column by Mosley too . Remember Eddie Jordan? and remember the war of words between Mosley and Dennis this year?

oh when i said that in the last version of this thread, i got bombarded.

imho, many teams are still in F1 because the love of the sport.

Let it be HEikki!!!

hitmarsh hints at Kovalainen for 2008

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news...214092048.shtml

dude, alonso already back at renault since last week

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Added on December 15, 2007, 11:25 am

Heiki Q&A at mclaren official site..

http://www.mclaren.com/latestnews/press-re....php?article=62

This post has been edited by evoHahn: Dec 15 2007, 11:25 AM