I noticed that many MNCs still go back to India for IT outsourcing. I mean big joke right? For the past decade say India bad but last last still go asking help from tata, capgemini, infosys and 101 other small indian IT companies. Why they dont outsource from Malaysia or Thailand or Vietnam?

Even big mareshian companies also look gor Accenture India. Why ar? I thought India IT no good?

Any explanation?

CHEAP

ok we choose alibaba cloud from now

Say made in china bad...last last...

Cheap wins....

Rm 288 whore vs rm 2800

Choose

This post has been edited by Rich Dad: Jun 29 2023, 11:07 PM

cheap things are good.

good things are cheap.

Janji ada lubang

Janji murah

But people say cannot rely and actually caused more financial damage over time? Some say they had to replace the entire India team and that caused more money?

So bad but still ppl choose India IT?

till then, khtxbai....

Cheap and say yes to almost everything you requested.

Cheap nao. >. expensive nao
Expensive
Retifixation
Cost
Later



Cheap wins but end result higher cost.

ya bad, like in prison, the food is bad, but prisoners still eat, why ah ?

Winrar in many books....

their SOP answer is YES

Begining rm288, ppl bought the story. But in some cases it was rm288 that caused so much headache and medical treatment until it costs rm5k. The past decade from 2005-2020 should have seen a change of behavior on India IT but surprise surprise India IT is still the top choice.

Cheap and got like damn a lot of people.

You want 30 headcounts? They give you 60 CVs to choose from.

YES (shaking head)

Eerrr, MNCs are very rich leh, they got choices leh. Meanwhile prisoners dont have choice.

replace IT team with India IT.

everything "caaaaaan".
promises heaven, delivers hell.
simple things become complicated.

terminate contract, full of remorse.
bring in non-India IT.
but non-India IT replacement unable to undo the complication.

replace IT team with India IT.

cheapo labour easy die one n replaced

Is all about cost and language requirements

Of curse, cheap prizes

Promize jew the heaven and the stars

The moon is reachable we

Can do it better and cheaper

Till you realize it looks good infront.

Belakang hancur.

Working on the same.

Hancur tapi masih cari. Big LOL.

tapi the 60 CVs, 10% jer what ia actually correct written in CVs, balance, all temberang punya

Out of 30 headcounts, 1-2 jer work (quality lain kira), balance, lek dulu, isap kok dulu

You see. The problem is, they provide crap service and customers like us still use them.

Not only it. Look at the shops right now. Crap service whereby now cashier becomes our boss, yet no one does anything about it.

Commercial > technical

India is not cheap anymore but value/cost-wise, companies are okay to outsource the dev work to them while keeping managers, leaders, director locally or in nearshore/regional locations

The problem is no matter how bad Indian's IT persons are, they are still better than what is available in Malaysia...

ops... I meant Malaysia don't even have any IT savvy persons. What to do...

This is complete and utter BS

Our local talent is heck a lot better than India Indians.

I notice a consistent trend across a bunch of MNCs

When an Indian got appointed on the C level or VP level, suddenly a lot of jobs will get outsourced to India

linkedin is full of their knowledge sharing, all low quality material copy paste from old source. india IT is literally garbage, but western companies like cheap labour. their favourite thing to do is spin aws ec2 and deploy, hardly any knows gcp

they setup office in india for labour only. All data will be back to cloud server

So ultimately india is the best of the worst?

Funny when you post this in LYN. LYN forum is where lots of IT enthusiast from Msia gather.

Also those good IT ppl from Msia they mostly work at overseas or work remotely for overseas company and getting paid USD. Many Malaysia company can't pay decent salary for good IT ppl.

Maybe u experience lapsap IT ppl in ur company, u get peanut when pay peanut.

And you conveniently forgotten how they get so rich in first place

This is why they're always suppress cost increases by changing suppliers to lower income countries by hiding as good FDI and demanding preferences treatment in taxes

Initial cost appear to be cheap (but dragged on later) and MNC one thing have is a lot of money allocation and lose accountability where dragging projects means having more things in portfolio and avoid being cut when downsizing. Also kickbacks from those companies. It will take time to discover but the person already had his share and move on to another MNC to milk it.

India cheap.

Accenture can charge rm5k per person per day and back end support from Delhi for rm100 a day. Nice margin.

Cost.

coz lots of CEO like their Western politikus are on board short term few years only, they will just take whatever instant financial result numbers and fark long term cost / benefit

CHEAP

because it dont matter, you ask for IT? gives you IT, job done, margin accomplished. wash hand, Take next job, cycle & repeat till company bankrupt

You cannot run from them.
We recently decided to subscribe to one of the world's leading SaaS providers.
We thought we would be dealing with the AMDK team for our migration and custom development, but behold, here they are, the bobblehead people suddenly flooding the Team's meeting room.
And that's the start of our nightmare.
The pattern quickly presents itself.
Starting from 'yes, yes, we can,' we've done this and that, it's very possible' to missing the deadline, suddenly frequent no response from their team for days, and the typical excuse: what we can deliver is not what we promised.
We can see our multimillion-dollar investment will bite our ass back soon.

Fck!

This post has been edited by WinkyJr: Jun 30 2023, 10:30 AM

bcos cheap & fast... no need recruitment susah payah locally

most of the companies project based one

just wana make timeline, account look good..close case take bonus impress board, not really wana make good product

This post has been edited by frequency: Jun 30 2023, 10:30 AM

cheap ma

coz cash is king

just like how some would prefer hire fresh grad for cheap salary
fresh grad pay with 10 years experience the best

if you talk to management , not skill but cost lol

Better ditch them soon. Cut your losses bro

if customer facing product support like VMware, Cadence, atlassian support, they are good, but if internal issue, sometimes they are bad.

This is something they are familiar with and maybe because why they are appointed in the first place... cost control and cutting if possible.

Heck, if u are appointed, surely need to look good in front of shareholders. What better way to show off by increase profits by maintaining or reducing cost

like 5 rupee kiss
10 rupee sleep

This the pattern from 2005 until 2020, thats why i thought companies would start to move away from despite the 'cheap' cost.

define they

This post has been edited by hollyweed: Jun 30 2023, 10:38 AM

Cannot bro, millions already paid for 'consultation' process
The project is part of our top management punya kpi, the biggest slice iinm, any kind of delay/change plan is not acceptable, else it will jeopardize their contract renewal
You fakap top management punya kpi, they will fck ur kpi x9999 more
Right now our seniors dev is working hard to ensure the project is on track lol
Heck, they even started to help those useless bobblehead doing their job

Bobble: 'No, it cannot be done'
Our dev: 'It can, we did some study, u can do it like this'
Bobble: 'Oh yes, that one can do"

Ah man. I will always keep 10 feet pole away from these idiots.

Morons who complete documentation first before doing the actual work and that also badly done job

Sorry to hear that lol. Next time better do due diligence. I will always hire locals or worst come to worst from Philippines or Vietnam

This post has been edited by bananajoe: Jun 30 2023, 10:45 AM

Answer is all over the thread: cost.
Go survey leverage cost per head count.
Some examples: India IT per headcount cost USD500 vs Malaysia per headcount cost USD700

You do businesses you also will choose cheapest

No longer cheap... their good Developers are most costly than us now!...

We are the cheap labor now cukur.... we gonna be the India of ASEAN in next 1-2 years with all the brain drain happening...

lol, I was expecting the stereotype of India IT before I click on this thread and I am not disappointed

duno sharp or which company also outsources their aftersale service to India.

niamahai, when i give him my address i need to spell out every fucking alphabets.

that's just the beginning of the nightmare when i made the call. they have absolutely 0 fucking idea of what to do. the only instruction they have is follow the fucking book, and anything beyond, just stay stunned and dont answer single shit until the other side gave up.

my oh my... malaysia mnc and their disgusting lack of responsibilities

Sarahan tongkat gomen!!!

Good at scamming?

Yet still hiring "Mandarin speakers only"

and yet we always say cannot find good people.... or complain there is no talents left...

maybe you need to understand the definition of local talents... there are Malaysians who are technologically savvy, but are they here?

Unfortunately, it is what it is... are these talents still considered local when they basically work for companies overseas?

maybe this is what the government, run by politicians since the 1970s (at least) wanted....

if they cannot have it (a certain group of people), then no one else should have it....

not really

if you remember what happened to Kerang when they moved their server and network IT Services to India. HAHAHA!

prefer vieatnam IT

Ayam tatau, ayam virgin ©

Good one no work for mahresia, later kena lump together with those useless one

Also, boss no hire them, why pay more?

India quality is bad but dirt cheap. The people are demand-king, everything wants to be latest.. but doesnt know how to use.

As always… india

Isn't it same as alibaba China? Also same what

That’s why the price offsets it. They know they kelentong u, but they don’t overprice u also.

True, in the end atill go there….complain no good…then go there for fudge?

Hahahahah sewel kena sus again.

Good is good, but bad is bad.

boss dunno....cheap cheap

Yes they are here. I'm in the industry, so I know.

Most of the time people complain cannot find talent, its not because they don't exist. Its just that they won't work for the compensation those people are willing to give.

If they are still in Malaysia, yes they are local. Lots of them in MNCs, and there's actually good talent even in gov sector. Just a lot of stupid red-tape that blocks the good people, and instead those that clever to talk cock get promotion or projects.

they sucks but can let them do low level low skill jobs like customer service or IT support

I have a programmer friend (Malaysian Indian) who was once asked to do collaborative coding with a team in India some years ago. He said working with them was hell. “Their code comments don’t make any sense”, according to him.

Your assumption is Malaysia can do better and have the skillsets.

indian IT talk like they know 99% but in fact they know only 10%
malaysian talk like they know only 50% but in fact they know 80%

confidence level and comms skill

I noticed Indian engineer like to look down on our local engineers.
They talk like an expert but when do, they dunwan or can’t do.
Same like indon

too bad in Singapore we don't have software engineers like her



This post has been edited by Milupa: Jun 30 2023, 11:50 PM

Wow what happen to TS & New Klang?

Is talking about India the country now also not allowed?

work with India Indian is the worst nightmare

last time, my malay lecturer ask foreign indian to do research papers & projects for them.

Double

This post has been edited by chupapi_munyayo: Jul 1 2023, 12:45 AM

whistle.
whistle out HARD.
whistle OUT LOUD.
WHISTLE TO THE SKY.
whistle while avoiding eye contact.

In the end its all about the money and looking good on paper. New bos / CEO comes in, outsource to india, manage to saves alot, good performance, big bonus.

Few years down the line, can see the result of moving to india, then CEO already left with new shiny contract, and then new bos / CEO gotta steer back the ship, open job in other country….. and the cycle repeat.

plenty of cheap slave labors

capitalists wet dream

hire 1 lead in malaysia can hire 10 lousy head count in india. All the big ceos think more is good, quality is secondary

this. worst than vendor lock. it's geo-lock