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Quazacolt
post Jun 28 2023, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Jun 28 2023, 07:32 PM)
sticky steering issue which was revealed lately whereby the steering wheel will lockup when the steering rack or related electronics fail.
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You're greatly misinformed. It doesn't lockup, it merely stop assisting as if without power steering, momentarily intermittently.

Majority of feedback were exaggerated, however also understandably, not many were "fortunate" enough to experience driving a vehicle without power steering and may also not be aware that at higher speeds, you really don't need power steering.
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post Jun 29 2023, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Jun 29 2023, 08:51 AM)
I may be greatly misinformed but the information was shared by few people, some Honda owners too. I don't wish to engage too much on this topic since the main interest in on the Corolla Cross Hybrid. Nevertheless, I presume you haven't had first-hand experience with loss of power steering assist to the EPS? I'm not sure about the Honda but with Ford Focus, without the steering assist, you can't drive the car already as the steering wheel will become very stiff and cannot be turned. Hence I am unable to understand your remark about power steering assist is not required at higher speeds. Basically once the steering assist fails to function, you wouldn't want the vehicle to travel at high speed as chances of an accident is high if that happens!
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Dei, I'm one of said co owner of the new Civic FE that just recently replaced our car's EPS la.

Even without replacing i can live with it.
Wife don't like the stickiness of it and being intermittent, she opt to replace under warranty claim. All is well.

I've driven cars without power steering la, standstill, parking and stop go obviously it's very stiff, but not impossible. And at speeds, it'll loosen up.
Obviously it's important otherwise we wouldn't invent power steering, I'm just saying it wasn't as bad as some may claim and definitely isn't the case for Honda's infamous power steering issue. It may be for Ford, I'm not denying you, I'm just saying this is not the case for Honda.

And uh, you're not aware of vehicle engineering and their fail safe ? Typically, ignoring Ford since you're so insistent on it, when power steering fails, if you just don't have power steering, most of the time, You CAN STILL CONTINUE TO STEER the car WITHOUT power steering
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post Jun 29 2023, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(SeniorCitizen @ Jun 29 2023, 12:53 PM)
ha ha. Honda diehard supporter.
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My own car is a Toyota smile.gif
And i support Proton over Perodua.

How's that?
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post Jun 29 2023, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Jun 29 2023, 01:32 PM)
It is obvious you haven't experienced a steering assist failure in the Ford Focus, or have you? Otherwise you wouldn't have made the above remarks. I guess you are aware that not all steering assist failures will behave the same?

It appears that you are still not convinced on the seriousness of the unavailability of steering assist in the Ford Focus since you still believe that people can continue to steer the car without power steering assist. I can assure you, if your wife or perhaps even yourself experiences a steering assist failure in the Ford Focus, she might not want to drive the car anymore. If you don't have first hand experience, you won't know the actual danger of the real life scenario. Of course the steering wheel can still be turned without the steering assist but females or senior citizen will likely not be able to turn it as it will be VERY STIFF. It is not impossible to turn the steering wheel when the steering assist fails but it will be EXTREMELY DIFFICULT especially with less abled individuals. As an analogy, one may carry a 2.5 kg dumbbell easily, just like turning a steering wheel with steering assist. With the failure of the steering assist in the Ford Focus, yes you will still be able to turn the steering wheel but it's now a 25kg dumbbell (or put a higher figure). You may still be able to turn the steering wheel but it will not turn easily anymore, inching bit by bit with all the might that you exert on it. With females and senior citizens, they likely won't be able to turn it and as a result the vehicle will not be steered to the emergency lane and just stop in the middle of the road.

I suppose your are aware that your experience with power steering assist failures in the Honda Civic or other cars cannot be applied to the Ford Focus or other cars which might show the same symptoms? Or you might be a real life Hercules where all types of steering assist failures including the one in the Ford Focus don't really matter to you since you can still turn the steering wheel with perhaps one finger, with ease. 😅
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I get it, ford power steering is catastrophic levels. When it happens is an impending accident or car towing event.

Ok. Cool.

And because ford is shit, and therefore Honda (and any brands, even Toyota Denso units, heh) power steering must also be shit.

But for the sake of your thread - You not planning to buy a Ford, or Honda for that matter, right? Then no issue lo thumbup.gif
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post Jun 29 2023, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Jun 29 2023, 08:56 PM)
A Toyota is more or less confirmed mainly for reliability.
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Toyota legendary reliability is no longer the case for the new/latest vehicles.

Vios gotten DNGA scandal, dual shift CVT is a ?, Their co developed cars all ? But understandable cuz BMW Subaru aren't exactly known for reliability.

Non co developed GRY / GRC is in a way, too ambitious and to be fair, they aren't exactly aimed at real hardcore/professional race drivers, and those target audience will have their own aftermarket remedies and workarounds anyways.

Is either that, or you get really delayed (dynamic force in Camry, never yet on Corolla Altis but that may be updated soon, hopefully, lol) releases on technology and drive train. (Those ugly CRT TV interiors and really cheap/shoddy looking head unit anyone?)

Do realize that the latest drive train (dynamic force engine and direct shift CVT) has gone through some hush hush TSB or even official recall internationally.

UMWT is not stupid. They know their main target audience have reliability as a priority similarly/same like you.
No way they want to risk that status by releasing latest greatest and then trouble their customers visiting SC for recalls.

For those wanting latest greatest, they'll just concede that market to Honda. Buy engine free car.

QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Jun 29 2023, 09:08 PM)
but I think I get what you are saying. In short, I hope the steering feel of the Cross GR Sport will be closer to sharp, accurate or precise rather than loose and artificial.
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He meant the Corolla cross GR Sport will be artificial like it or not.

No way you're getting genuine sharp steering feels without NVH trade off. Those are not sought after by Toyota buyers.

That said, the Civic FE steering feel IMHO felt better than latest Mazda 3. (I've written pretty extensive reviews on both threads in car club forums) And probably those suspension geometry carried onwards to the FL5 type R which received endless praises from anyone driven it being able to turn/and corner amazingly despite being a FF vehicle that's inheritly prone to under steer and unable to control rotation via throttle unlike RWD/AWD cars are capable of.
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post Jul 2 2023, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Jul 2 2023, 07:53 PM)
not suitable for spirited drives as I have found out.
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Bro these are family SUV/sedan ferrying passengers from point a to b.

And it's Toyota with their touted (read: ancient, lol) legendary reliability.

You say Mazda can still somewhat ok ok make believe. Or Honda with their Motorsports heritage in past and current, and very aggressive styling obviously aimed at younger owners.
The turbocharger is pretty much icing on cake and is what stood out amongst the choices between these 3 brands, That are actively competing in both B/B+ in between C/C/D segments sedan and SUV.
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post Jul 2 2023, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(dev/numb @ Jul 2 2023, 10:52 PM)
* instead of putting some weight on the knees or one knee like how we do it, she prefers resting her bum on the seat first before lifting her legs in
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Actually, you mom's method is more preferable as you've mentioned the obvious issue of the common practice and I've bolded it again.

Ass got more cushion compared to legs, but you got a bit of a "drop" getting into the vehicle as opposed to "smoothly" getting in with legs.

Fortunately, me (and wife) gotten used to this method no thanks to my own coupe that's by default already super low, so the Civic FE feels right at home using the same method despite many complaints that it is really low.

And comparatively between the 3 brands, the Civic FE is indeed the lowest height c segment sedan in the market.
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post Jul 3 2023, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Jul 3 2023, 09:15 AM)
Can you measure yours? I see some 140mm to 170mm, not sure malaysia spec. Hybrid RS maybe different height vs turbo too.

High sitting position, 160mm ground clearance but very soft spring. When fully toad with passengers, ground clearance KO, hit the floor at many Taman bump, front bumper hit the ramp of some multi level carpark. At least Civic FC/FE never heard any friends got such problem.
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No idea never really bothered. Sure, I'll go measure when I'm free and remember.

But the car will scrape a bit of you pass through speed bumps higher speeds (>30 or 40kph) under full load full passengers full rear trunk (family vacation with baby, majority of items are baby's lol)

Civic springs are really soft too
But since globalization, their dampers are more conti feel than usual Asian vehicles/CKD Melaka, hence a really good purchase and IMHO is what really set apart the FC and FE. (Along with both engine and CVT drive train improvements) Again I'm not really bothered on aesthetics.

QUOTE(constant_weight @ Jul 3 2023, 09:27 AM)
is a manual 1.3L AE92. Maybe my youth emotional damage made me obsessed with horsepower these day.
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For sure we've gone through very different experiences.

I started with 3 speed auto 4g15 iswara auto with like 58 horsepower.
Then 5 speed manual Kancil 660, even lower horsepower.

Until today horsepower is the least of my concern. Unless it's less than 10 ponies kapchai on a Gohtong/Genting uphill, 1 gear will sound like the piston is gonna greet you any time soon, 2nd gear your bike may sometimes decelerate.

That's my only notable experience on wanting more power laugh.gif

 

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