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 EV resale value

How much you willing to pay for 5 years used EV?
 
~70% of launch price [ 43 ] ** [23.89%]
~50% of launch price [ 26 ] ** [14.44%]
~30% of launch price [ 39 ] ** [21.67%]
Give free only I take [ 72 ] ** [40.00%]
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netmatrix
post Jun 16 2023, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(haturaya @ Jun 16 2023, 11:59 AM)
As planned. EV battery system - proprietary. Say after 7-10 years, good luck finding legit original new battery with reasonable price.  whistling.gif
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I am thinking that since phones and laptops has OEM compatible batteries, there might be such thing offered for EV.
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post Jun 16 2023, 09:14 PM

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No depreciation cause after 2 years gov will tax kao ev 100%
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post Jun 16 2023, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(nottherealme @ Jun 16 2023, 11:39 AM)
Why do u wanna buy a car and think about resale value so much. Might as well just take public transport. No need worry about anything.
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haven't buy also think of selling. most end up selling after 10+ years. what resale value also gone la.
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post Jun 17 2023, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Jun 16 2023, 09:04 PM)
I am thinking that since phones and laptops has OEM compatible batteries, there might be such thing offered for EV.
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Not just the battery, the inverter, controller, is proprietary. It's tightly integrated with car ECU and highly guarded secret. Good luck with that. whistling.gif
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post Jun 17 2023, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(haturaya @ Jun 16 2023, 11:51 AM)
Pakai buang concept is real.
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It's for the environment they said.
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post Jun 17 2023, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(haturaya @ Jun 17 2023, 10:04 AM)
Not just the battery, the inverter, controller, is proprietary. It's tightly integrated with car ECU and highly guarded secret. Good luck with that.  whistling.gif
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Thats really bad news sad.gif
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post Jun 17 2023, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Jun 16 2023, 09:04 PM)
I am thinking that since phones and laptops has OEM compatible batteries, there might be such thing offered for EV.
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yea all come from alibaba laugh.gif
RicoT
post Jun 17 2023, 09:40 AM

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NEM only give 10 years buy back. So after 10 years, you give free PV electricity to TNB during day and buy your electricity at night from TNB.

Here is how the old EV comes into play.

If the EV when new, battery capacity is 60kWh.

The EV after 10 years say degrade 30% capacity, owner decides to buy a new EV battery to replace. But 10 years into the future already, better 3rd party battery availability, improved battery tech and larger capacity. (Imagine Nokia 3310 with new big capacity battery which can be standby for 30 days) So the battery has more energy but still can fit into the same space, +30% of original 60kWh = 78kWh, range also increased from 400km to 520km. Maybe the battery is even lighter in weight as added bonus.

The old battery bring back home become powerwall. 30% degrade still gives 42kWh capacity, enough to run 2 units of 2.5hp A/C for 8 hours or 4 units of 1.5hp A/C for 8 hours.

So after 10 years, the old EV have +30% more range when compared to when new, and one free powerwall for PV to charge during day and use during night.

It was demonstrated with old BMW battery convert to mobile powerbank DCFC charging by Gentari, if not mistaken. So why can't use at home as powerbank for PV?

This post has been edited by RicoT: Jun 17 2023, 09:47 AM
haturaya
post Jun 17 2023, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(RGRaj @ Jun 17 2023, 09:29 AM)
It's for the environment they said.
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Nah... it's all about making more money while hiding behind the 'environment'.


QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Jun 17 2023, 09:37 AM)
Thats really bad news sad.gif
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That's how future tech will be. It's already on track like that. sweat.gif john deere, tesla, Apple and many more actively doing it.


QUOTE(RicoT @ Jun 17 2023, 09:40 AM)
NEM only give 10 years buy back. So after 10 years, you give free PV electricity to TNB during day and buy your electricity at night from TNB.

Here is how the old EV comes into play.

If the EV when new, battery capacity is 60kWh.

The EV after 10 years say degrade 30% capacity, owner decides to buy a new EV battery to replace. But 10 years into the future already, better 3rd party battery availability, improved battery tech and larger capacity. (Imagine Nokia 3310 with new big capacity battery which can be standby for 30 days) So the battery has more energy but still can fit into the same space, +30% of original 60kWh = 78kWh, range also increased from 400km to 520km. Maybe the battery is even lighter in weight as added bonus.

The old battery bring back home become powerwall. 30% degrade still gives 42kWh capacity, enough to run 2 units of 2.5hp A/C for 8 hours or 4 units of 1.5hp A/C for 8 hours.

So after 10 years, the old EV have +30% more range when compared to when new, and one free powerwall for PV to charge during day and use during night.

It was demonstrated with old BMW battery convert to mobile powerbank DCFC charging by Gentari, if not mistaken. So why can't use at home as powerbank for PV?
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Proof of concept is always nice, but it's suitable for all. Try to slab a used battery banks in small terrace house. No space.
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post Jun 17 2023, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(haturaya @ Jun 17 2023, 09:55 AM)
Nah... it's all about making more money while hiding behind the 'environment'.
That's how future tech will be. It's already on track like that.  sweat.gif  john deere, tesla, Apple and many more actively doing it.
Proof of concept is always nice, but it's suitable for all. Try to slab a used battery banks in small terrace house. No space.
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Hang it on a vertical rack, or leave it horizontal on the floor and make a step over it.
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post Jun 17 2023, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(sparketh @ Jun 16 2023, 12:08 PM)
Toyota Prius 1.8 pun Mcm tu. After 5 years the car was being sold second hand about 40k. Originally about 158k.  Now about 30k.
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Look like a good deal.
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post Jun 17 2023, 10:21 AM

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Buy EV like Maxis Zerolution in near future
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post Jun 17 2023, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(haturaya @ Jun 17 2023, 09:55 AM)
Proof of concept is always nice, but it's suitable for all. Try to slab a used battery banks in small terrace house. No space.
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And then there's people staying in condo/apartment like me...

QUOTE(mick84 @ Jun 17 2023, 10:13 AM)
Look like a good deal.
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You mean for the buyer?
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post Jun 17 2023, 01:20 PM

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Easier comparison is like this:

If battery replacement cost ≠ petrol tank replacement cost, then RV for EV or hybrid will always be lower than ICE.

Govt can artificially inflate the cost of running ICE cars through taxes etc. but it won’t be sustainable until maintenance/replacement of EV and hybrid = ICE.
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post Jun 17 2023, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(RicoT @ Jun 17 2023, 02:40 AM)
NEM only give 10 years buy back. So after 10 years, you give free PV electricity to TNB during day and buy your electricity at night from TNB.

Here is how the old EV comes into play.

If the EV when new, battery capacity is 60kWh.

The EV after 10 years say degrade 30% capacity, owner decides to buy a new EV battery to replace. But 10 years into the future already, better 3rd party battery availability, improved battery tech and larger capacity. (Imagine Nokia 3310 with new big capacity battery which can be standby for 30 days) So the battery has more energy but still can fit into the same space, +30% of original 60kWh = 78kWh, range also increased from 400km to 520km. Maybe the battery is even lighter in weight as added bonus.

The old battery bring back home become powerwall. 30% degrade still gives 42kWh capacity, enough to run 2 units of 2.5hp A/C for 8 hours or 4 units of 1.5hp A/C for 8 hours.

So after 10 years, the old EV have +30% more range when compared to when new, and one free powerwall for PV to charge during day and use during night.

It was demonstrated with old BMW battery convert to mobile powerbank DCFC charging by Gentari, if not mistaken. So why can't use at home as powerbank for PV?
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Fire risk.
RicoT
post Jun 17 2023, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Jun 17 2023, 01:23 PM)
Fire risk.
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Tong gas explosion fire risk too. Quickly change to induction cooker.
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post Jun 17 2023, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(RicoT @ Jun 17 2023, 06:27 AM)
Tong gas explosion fire risk too. Quickly change to induction cooker.
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Expected this.

Tong gas is regularly swapped out. This battery who will check?
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post Jun 17 2023, 01:31 PM

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if the brand keep coming out new tech within the same price range

how can you sell the old one
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post Jun 17 2023, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(Juan86 @ Jun 17 2023, 01:31 PM)
if the brand keep coming out new tech within the same price range

how can you sell the old one
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Yah, it's like selling a mobile phone every 10 years. whistling.gif Same price, but double the tech. Definitely not worth to keep the old one.
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post Jun 17 2023, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Jun 17 2023, 01:28 PM)
Expected this.

Tong gas is regularly swapped out. This battery who will check?
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Gas regulator swap together? Usually the leak is from the regulator.

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