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loserguy
post Jun 15 2023, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 15 2023, 12:55 PM)
Mini bus succeeded not just because of size but because of free market. It was in the interest of the bus driver and conductor to be as efficient as possible to maximise profit.

Alot of ppl also say this model is the best. But I bet once they realise this model also leads to overloading and speeding bus drivers they will then say Rapid KL number one and ban mini bus
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This is the worst thing that can happen to public transport. Back in the 80s, Penang used to have pretty efficient public transport. Buses would pass by certain routes on schedule, mostly hourly.

Then these "free market" buses came along. It was a nightmare. Drivers sitting in half full buses waiting for more passengers, refusing to move. Outside of peak hours, forget about taking buses.

The Gerakan led Penang state govt back then had to beg Pak Lah to bring in Rapid Penang to save the public transport system.

edit: sos kicap
http://lib.perdana.org.my/PLF/Malaysiakini...ini/2/65454.pdf

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post Jun 15 2023, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jun 15 2023, 08:15 PM)
Yup, by bringing private buses, I am sure can be done.
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Private buses are very bad.

It will end up like taxis. The "bus companies" will rent out buses to the drivers. The rent seekers already have their profit from the rental, and it is up to the drivers to maximize whatever they can get from the buses.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

http://lib.perdana.org.my/PLF/Malaysiakini...ini/2/65454.pdf
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post Jun 15 2023, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(LamboSama @ Jun 15 2023, 08:25 PM)
Post here can see who really ride the mini bus back then and who didn't.
Half an hour become two hour trip.  laugh.gif

If they were so great they would still be around.
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I used to take the public buses back before they privatized it. It was very efficient. Miss one bus, you can be sure one hour later, the bus will be back.

After that for nostalgia's sake I took one of these private buses once. It was a nightmare. Never again.
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post Jun 15 2023, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 15 2023, 08:32 PM)
In KL not all busses waited for passengers. The mini busses that plied the PJ KL routes would keep on moving. That route always will have ppl. So for them its speeding and overloading

Its at the old Bangkok Bank and Kota Raya stops where you had the Sri Jaya busses heading into places like Cheras and Hulu Langat that waited abit. Usually from ppl alighting off the mini busses. Anywhere from 15 minutes to 45 minutes.

But yeah got good got bad with free market. Have to find a balance. Rapid is bleeding and dont have the capacity to server the smaller roads. Free enterprises...well you just mentioned their dark side
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In Penang it was horrible, the buses refused to move during off peak hours. Can easily go > 1-2 hours without moving from the bus depot. I never realized it was so bad until one of my friends conned me into trying it again.

edit: The government's job is to spend money! If it is profitable leave it to the private sector. Public transport is one of those loss making things that the government should spend on.



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post Jun 16 2023, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(RChance @ Jun 16 2023, 09:23 AM)
Two important factors making busses viable as last mile transport.

1) Less than 10mins walk for any passengers to a bus station.
2) Intervals of less than 10mins

So the issue is not only about number of busses. Does our city planners have proper connectivity plans and infrastructure to make it a viable mode for people?

Who would even consider public transport of a 15mins journey becomes 1 hour?
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I think you need to lower your expectations. Intervals of less than 10 mins is not likely. If a round trip is 1 hour, a 10 minute interval will mean 6 buses servicing that route.

15 mins by car does not include the time and hassle to hunt for a parking lot. You do not have to park a bus lol.

The newer townships have proper pedestrian walkways, but very few have it as nice as Sinjiapor.

 

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