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post Jun 15 2023, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(kel32 @ Jun 15 2023, 07:21 PM)
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Bring HK style minibus, small and easier for last mile connection
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Actually these kind of buses existed before in Malaysia. It was usually despised because it is very uncomfortable. Good for the driver only because the cost is lower.

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post Jun 15 2023, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jun 15 2023, 07:47 PM)
Do like singapore,  use tng to pay and exit. Only need driver/captain


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Singapore is very advanced now. You can also pay using bank card and credit card, even Malaysia credit card can also be used. Imagine one day Malaysia can also accept credit card.

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post Jun 15 2023, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(vhs @ Jun 15 2023, 09:04 PM)
Actually these kind of buses existed before in Malaysia. It was usually despised because it is very uncomfortable. Good for the driver only because the cost is lower.
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When it existed in Malaysia before?
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post Jun 15 2023, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jun 15 2023, 08:10 PM)
When it existed in Malaysia before?
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70s and maybe early 80s. There were two sizes of minibus, this HK size one and the bigger one. If two buses were coming together, people would rather take the bigger bus. biggrin.gif

Eventually the smaller HK size bus disappeared and left with the big size minibus which last from 80s to 90s.

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post Jun 15 2023, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(vhs @ Jun 15 2023, 08:07 PM)
Singapore is very advanced now. You can also pay using bank card and credit card, even Malaysia credit card can also be used. Imagine one day Malaysia can also accept credit card.
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Yup, by bringing private buses, I am sure can be done.
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post Jun 15 2023, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(vhs @ Jun 15 2023, 09:12 PM)
70s and maybe early 80s. There were two sizes of minibus, this HK size one and the bigger one. If two buses were coming together, people would rather take the bigger bus.  biggrin.gif

Eventually the smaller HK size bus disappeared and left with the big size minibus which last from 80s to 90s.
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This type? Actually this type was the original minibus but their capacity was too small and after some time a lot of minibus owners upgrade to the bigger ones because they earn more and it became sort of standard until they were all painted pink.

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The old minibus system were not really controlled by government and they caused a lot of safety issues.

If government reintroduced minibus, they need to control and regulate them like how HK does it.
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post Jun 15 2023, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jun 15 2023, 08:15 PM)
Yup, by bringing private buses, I am sure can be done.
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Private buses are very bad.

It will end up like taxis. The "bus companies" will rent out buses to the drivers. The rent seekers already have their profit from the rental, and it is up to the drivers to maximize whatever they can get from the buses.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

http://lib.perdana.org.my/PLF/Malaysiakini...ini/2/65454.pdf
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post Jun 15 2023, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jun 15 2023, 08:20 PM)
This type? Actually this type was the original minibus but their capacity was too small and after some time a lot of minibus owners upgrade to the bigger ones because they earn more and it became sort of standard until they were all painted pink.

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The old minibus system were not really controlled by government and they caused a lot of safety issues.

If government reintroduced minibus, they need to control and regulate them like how HK does it.
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Wow you found it. Not easy to find image of such minibus nowadays.
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post Jun 15 2023, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Jun 15 2023, 12:56 PM)
what happened to this rapidkl mini bus?

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This is real?!
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post Jun 15 2023, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(loserguy @ Jun 15 2023, 07:59 PM)
This is the worst thing that can happen to public transport. Back in the 80s, Penang used to have pretty efficient public transport. Buses would pass by certain routes on schedule, mostly hourly.

Then these "free market" buses came along. It was a nightmare. Drivers sitting in half full buses waiting for more passengers, refusing to move. Outside of peak hours, forget about taking buses.

The Gerakan led Penang state govt back then had to beg Pak Lah to bring in Rapid Penang to save the public transport system.

edit: sos kicap
http://lib.perdana.org.my/PLF/Malaysiakini...ini/2/65454.pdf
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Post here can see who really ride the mini bus back then and who didn't.
Half an hour become two hour trip. laugh.gif

If they were so great they would still be around.
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post Jun 15 2023, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(LamboSama @ Jun 15 2023, 08:25 PM)
Post here can see who really ride the mini bus back then and who didn't.
Half an hour become two hour trip.  laugh.gif

If they were so great they would still be around.
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I used to take the public buses back before they privatized it. It was very efficient. Miss one bus, you can be sure one hour later, the bus will be back.

After that for nostalgia's sake I took one of these private buses once. It was a nightmare. Never again.
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post Jun 15 2023, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(gnc88 @ Jun 15 2023, 12:50 PM)
This really going backward… can’t even work on improving transport system
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stop gap solution la. better to have something than nothing.
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QUOTE(loserguy @ Jun 15 2023, 07:59 PM)
This is the worst thing that can happen to public transport. Back in the 80s, Penang used to have pretty efficient public transport. Buses would pass by certain routes on schedule, mostly hourly.

Then these "free market" buses came along. It was a nightmare. Drivers sitting in half full buses waiting for more passengers, refusing to move. Outside of peak hours, forget about taking buses.

The Gerakan led Penang state govt back then had to beg Pak Lah to bring in Rapid Penang to save the public transport system.

edit: sos kicap
http://lib.perdana.org.my/PLF/Malaysiakini...ini/2/65454.pdf
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In KL not all busses waited for passengers. The mini busses that plied the PJ KL routes would keep on moving. That route always will have ppl. So for them its speeding and overloading

Its at the old Bangkok Bank and Kota Raya stops where you had the Sri Jaya busses heading into places like Cheras and Hulu Langat that waited abit. Usually from ppl alighting off the mini busses. Anywhere from 15 minutes to 45 minutes.

But yeah got good got bad with free market. Have to find a balance. Rapid is bleeding and dont have the capacity to server the smaller roads. Free enterprises...well you just mentioned their dark side
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QUOTE(LamboSama @ Jun 15 2023, 09:25 PM)
Post here can see who really ride the mini bus back then and who didn't.
Half an hour become two hour trip.  laugh.gif

If they were so great they would still be around.
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Huh? You do know that minibus are super efficient. They are the real express bus and a lot of people like to take them because you can reach destinations a lot faster.

They were phased out because our government had a great idea to park all transportation into prasarana instead of regulating the private bus operators. Tun M punya great crony ideas.

Origins when all private bus companies were phased out and the new buses under prasarana came out, everyone love them as they were major upgrade compared to minibuses and private bus companies but after there were no competition, everything became worse.
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QUOTE(loserguy @ Jun 15 2023, 08:21 PM)
Private buses are very bad.

It will end up like taxis. The "bus companies" will rent out buses to the drivers. The rent seekers already have their profit from the rental, and it is up to the drivers to maximize whatever they can get from the buses.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

http://lib.perdana.org.my/PLF/Malaysiakini...ini/2/65454.pdf
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Ah yes, make sense also
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post Jun 15 2023, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 15 2023, 09:32 PM)
In KL not all busses waited for passengers. The mini busses that plied the PJ KL routes would keep on moving. That route always will have ppl. So for them its speeding and overloading

Its at the old Bangkok Bank and Kota Raya stops where you had the Sri Jaya busses heading into places like Cheras and Hulu Langat that waited abit. Usually from ppl alighting off the mini busses. Anywhere from 15 minutes to 45 minutes.

But yeah got good got bad with free market. Have to find a balance. Rapid is bleeding and dont have the capacity to server the smaller roads. Free enterprises...well you just mentioned their dark side
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Don’t forget Tong Fung and Foh Hup buses operating from Puduraya. Private companies should be able to make transportation more efficient but they need to be regulated tightly so that what the past won’t come back.
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post Jun 15 2023, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jun 15 2023, 08:32 PM)
Huh? You do know that minibus are super efficient. They are the real express bus and a lot of people like to take them because you can reach destinations a lot faster.

They were phased out because our government had a great idea to park all transportation into prasarana instead of regulating the private bus operators. Tun M punya great crony ideas.

Origins when all private bus companies were phased out and the new buses under prasarana came out, everyone love them as they were major upgrade compared to minibuses and private bus companies but after there were no competition, everything became worse.
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laugh.gif those buses were still around outside of KL until Najib time. Are you talking express bus or town bus?
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This post has been edited by LamboSama: Jun 15 2023, 09:03 PM
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post Jun 15 2023, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 15 2023, 08:32 PM)
In KL not all busses waited for passengers. The mini busses that plied the PJ KL routes would keep on moving. That route always will have ppl. So for them its speeding and overloading

Its at the old Bangkok Bank and Kota Raya stops where you had the Sri Jaya busses heading into places like Cheras and Hulu Langat that waited abit. Usually from ppl alighting off the mini busses. Anywhere from 15 minutes to 45 minutes.

But yeah got good got bad with free market. Have to find a balance. Rapid is bleeding and dont have the capacity to server the smaller roads. Free enterprises...well you just mentioned their dark side
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In Penang it was horrible, the buses refused to move during off peak hours. Can easily go > 1-2 hours without moving from the bus depot. I never realized it was so bad until one of my friends conned me into trying it again.

edit: The government's job is to spend money! If it is profitable leave it to the private sector. Public transport is one of those loss making things that the government should spend on.



This post has been edited by loserguy: Jun 15 2023, 08:44 PM
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post Jun 15 2023, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Jun 15 2023, 12:56 PM)
what happened to this rapidkl mini bus?

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Yup they tried this back in 2019
https://www.astroawani.com/berita-malaysia/...hari-ini-216450

In the end stop the same reason the original stop.
A small bus cost more per passenger. The reason why London introduced the double decker rather than mini buses.

Malaysia bus main issue is being stuck behind traffic and cars parked on bus lane/on the road. Not the bus size.

This post has been edited by LamboSama: Jun 15 2023, 08:45 PM
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post Jun 15 2023, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(jurkflash @ Jun 15 2023, 12:55 PM)
not sure everyone aware or not that most buses in KL are big, cant even drive thru those taman. mini bus or smaller bus can solve this problem.
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cukurlah, now, taman road can be filled with buses.. bestest is can drop the passenger in front of thier house..

This post has been edited by brkli: Jun 15 2023, 08:46 PM

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