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News Ukraine army launches large assault on SE Ukraine, Probable probing attack on Russian lines

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fourzee
post Jul 31 2023, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(tkn0811 @ Jul 9 2023, 08:09 PM)
what choice? the western would never allow themselves to be defeated in any wars to come…
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You think a former Super Power with thousands of Nukes will accept defeat..? I can see a scenario where Putin will use tactical nukes on Ukraine forces, how will Nato react ? Use nukes as well and risking a full escalation of war on European Union countries ? Highly unlikely, but Putin using nukes is a very real possibility.
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post Jul 31 2023, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(khusyairi @ Jul 31 2023, 12:00 PM)
Advantage alwayz go to whoever in defense position.
When anyone go offence, expected that they will lose more.
The period of go offence, when enemy not ready is over.
Both party had made multilayers of defensive line already. Very Hard to push.

I guess nobody will win in this war. NATO vs Russia.
Ukraine will stay split like North & South Korea in next few decades.
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The USA & Nato gave Ukraine support and chance to defeat Russia, but the support is not without conditions, USA is going into election next year, the Republican is not 100% supportive of Ukraine. Time is on Putin's side. The Europeans are running out of patient with the war at their door step. USA & Nato will force Ukraine to accept cease fire and creation of a Buffer zone a DMZ between Nato & Russia. Ukraine will end up like North & South Korea. What choice does Ukraine have ? They are 100% dependent on Nato help, they must listen to Nato's instructions.
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post Jul 31 2023, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(chaosneo @ Jul 31 2023, 12:48 PM)
putin might use tactical nukes but i think that is even scarier to russia.
China already say no nukes in March 2023 and i seriously think NATO might direct intervention if russia did use tactical nuclear weapon.

what putin is most afraid of is losing support within the country and i think any form of nuclear weapon is off the table even for russian elites which is his based of support.
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How NATO will react ? Using nukes ? More Sanctions ? No, NATO will highly likely to tell Ukraine to accept a seize fire and surrender territory to Russia.
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post Jul 31 2023, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(chaosneo @ Jul 31 2023, 12:56 PM)
why in the world would you think that US and NATO would like Ukraine to stop when Ukraine is helping them deplete whatever military the russia arm forces may have?
if you see in the broader picture, things would not go well for russia even if the war ended this year on whoever terms.
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The West will not confront Russian in an armed conflict directly, so Ukrainians are proxy for the west. deplete what ever military the russian armed forces may have ..obviously history did not teach us enough. Russia has more Nukes than the west, they have means to deliver them to their targets. Any attack on Russia by the west will be responded by Nuke strikes, tactical or inter continental..

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