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post Jun 2 2023, 11:07 AM, updated 3y ago

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PETALING JAYA: Despite the possibility of higher electricity bills in the near future, high-income households are taking a wait-and-see approach before deciding whether to change their consumption patterns.

This is after Putrajaya announced that it is ending electricity subsidies for large companies and wealthy households once its database on household incomes is completed by the end of the year.

Called Padu, this integrated database will include household income, location, number of vehicles, record of assistance received from government departments and other information to determine whether a household is eligible for a slew of subsidies, Prime Minister Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim said in May.

The prospect of higher energy bills has lower and middle-income earners worried as those who have home businesses and large families may also be affected once energy subsidies end.

Putrajaya spent RM5.8bil in subsidies from July 1 to Dec 31, 2022, to bear higher electricity generation costs and keep tariff prices low for consumers.

By ending blanket subsidies, households in the Top 20 (T20) income range and multinational corporations (MNCs) will likely pay more for their electricity each month.

Deputy Finance Minister II Steven Sim had reportedly said that Putrajaya was looking to save RM4.1bil by cutting subsidies to T20 households and MNCs.

Airline pilot Wan Muhammad Wan Azmi said his family has no plans to change their habits yet even though their monthly electricity bill is expected to go up.

The 49-year-old’s family currently spends RM1,200 per month and his house has four air-conditioners.

“Three air-conditioners are on at the same time for many hours when everyone is at home and when they sleep at night.

“The living room air-conditioner is on almost all the time as my wife stays at home,” he said, adding that his children are constantly on their gadgets as well.

For the time being, his family’s monthly income is sufficient to cover their monthly expenses including their hefty electricity bill, Wan Muhammad said.

“At most, we might just be more energy conscious if we want to save on our electricity bill once the subsidies end,” he said.

General manager Lee Ah Kiong, 60, said his family would be forced to change their habits if his electricity bill goes up drastically.

“We currently spend close to RM400 a month on just electricity because everyone at home is using their own computers every day and my two children have their own air-conditioners.

“Considering our total household income of RM10,000 and total expenses of over RM6,000 a month, a sudden electric price hike should be fine as long as it’s not too drastic,” he said.

However, the Federation of Malaysian Consumers Associations (Fomca) warned that middle-income (M40) households could be indirectly affected by the government’s plans.

Its chief executive officer Dr Saravanan Thambirajah said the M40 households could be miscategorised as T20 and see their power bills go up.

“The (M40) is stuck in a weird spot as they can’t depend on financial aid, subsidies or support programmes like the B40 group.

“Nor do they have the financial flexibility or a high level of income to help offset the sudden spike in their monthly bills like the T20 group.

“Currently, most of the M40 spend 15% to 20% of their monthly income on electric bills already, so a sudden jump could severely diminish their purchasing power and hurt the economy as a whole,” he said.

Intan Baiduri low-cost flat resident Khairul Anuwar Yusoff expressed worries that fellow residents could also be wrongly classified as affluent households.

Until details of the Padu database are revealed, these households are worried they will no longer receive the electricity subsidy, he said.

“Some of them run their own small business from home and can have electricity bills of up to RM250 a month due to their frequent usage of cooking equipment like ovens and multiple fridges.”

Khairul also said that T20 households would be the least affected in the long term by the withdrawal of electricity subsidies.

“They will either just install more solar panels to power their homes or replace their electronics with more energy efficient but expensive ones,” he said.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2023...usly-most-arent
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“At most, we might just be more energy conscious if we want to save on our electricity bill once the subsidies end,” he said.


This is why subsidies that encourage consumption are bad. The more you spend, the more you can see the subsidised amount in ringgit.
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Why MY give rich T20 subsidy money for ?
Do MY like to donate to rich T20 ?
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QUOTE(marukopi @ Jun 2 2023, 11:08 AM)
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Little know fact but subsidies for MNCs already ended starting year and was announced last year already

Tariff D and E ICPT rates shot up. Thats why there was a mad rush for PV systems by industry last year. Some factories started exploring more energy efficient systems and motors.

Vendors that dealt in these areas made a killing already
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I also want install solar....
But no place to install....
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QUOTE(raynman @ Jun 2 2023, 11:10 AM)
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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Jun 2 2023, 11:13 AM)
I also want install solar....
But no place to install....
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Inb4 my roof is other people's floor.
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commercial lot maybe sudah up kot. Past 2 months kompany bos ayam kedai shoot up additional 150~300.
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textbook for the future: how to chase highly educated people and foreign investment out the country. Then complaining man power outflow.
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Majority of T20 won't vote pas anyway, let squueze them and focus on winning M40 and b40 votes

Yeah, that's the strategy to win election
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QUOTE(ju146 @ Jun 2 2023, 11:26 AM)
Majority of T20 won't vote pas anyway, let squueze them and focus on winning M40 and b40 votes

Yeah, that's the strategy to win election
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Yeah. This is the strategy now. I fcuked you. What are you going to do? Vote for PAS? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Jun 2 2023, 11:10 AM)

“At most, we might just be more energy conscious if we want to save on our electricity bill once the subsidies end,” he said.


This is why subsidies that encourage consumption are bad. The more you spend, the more you can see the subsidised amount in ringgit.
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As a consumer, I hate it when subsidies being removed.

However, I know the impact of the subsidies. For so many years Malaysia economy being build on subsidies. Now the core is being removed, and the impact will be huge. It is never good time to remove subsidies because there will never have a "Good Time" to remove.
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Jun 2 2023, 11:18 AM)
Inb4 my roof is other people's floor.
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Yup....
Management later blah non stop...
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Jun 2 2023, 11:10 AM)
Why MY give rich T20 subsidy money for ?
Do MY like to donate to rich T20 ?
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Subsidy money come from rich tax. B40 got give tax?

Why b40 need donation? If wan cancel subsidy cancel as a whole.
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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Jun 2 2023, 11:13 AM)
I also want install solar....
But no place to install....
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Imagine u live in condo

U install where? Ur lanjiao or ur balcony?
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QUOTE(FappyBird @ Jun 2 2023, 11:52 AM)
Imagine u live in condo

U install where? Ur lanjiao or ur balcony?
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Install on windows...
Plan to curi curi install on carpark roof.....
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QUOTE(ju146 @ Jun 2 2023, 11:26 AM)
Majority of T20 won't vote pas anyway, let squueze them and focus on winning M40 and b40 votes

Yeah, that's the strategy to win election
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Most top tier t20 won’t even go vote. Mid tier t20 50/50 vote. Only the borderline t20 gung ho go q to vote. Actual fact. Don’t believe go do survey
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QUOTE(Femsroot @ Jun 2 2023, 11:53 AM)
Most top tier t20 won’t even go vote. Mid tier t20 50/50 vote. Only the borderline t20 gung ho go q to vote. Actual fact. Don’t believe go do survey
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All T20 around me are voting. T20 isn't that high, they are just normal peasant
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No problem. Sleep in car. Can sleep 4. No electricity bill, got air con. Just pump petrol.
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QUOTE(ju146 @ Jun 2 2023, 12:08 PM)
All T20 around me are voting. T20 isn't that high, they are just normal peasant
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The t20 u know are borderline lo. Peasants hahaha…pls know more ppl.
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that solar panel enough for hot water or 2 led light saja.
yg mahal ialah air-con

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QUOTE(Femsroot @ Jun 2 2023, 12:19 PM)
The t20 u know are borderline lo. Peasants hahaha…pls know more ppl.
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borderline? perhaps you have issue with definition.
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T20 ditindas lagi
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ringgit die, imported coal price go up.

For decades, Malaysia has relied on coal resources to generate electricity throughout the country.

As of 2020, nearly 66% of the electricity generate in the peninsula by Tenaga Nasional Bhd (TNB) was from imported coal.
https://www.malaysianow.com/news/2022/04/13...ble-energy-push
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Jun 2 2023, 11:10 AM)
Why MY give rich T20 subsidy money for ?
Do MY like to donate to rich T20 ?
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easy to criticize, practically impossible to implement fairly and effectively

it it was possible to effectively target subsidies for specific households, Najib would have done it already instead of pushing for GST
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Why ktards self contradictory?

If u agreed our money used for subsidies can be better utilised for development, why are u bashing the effort to reduce unwarranted subsidies?
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“Considering our total household income of RM10,000 and total expenses of over RM6,000 a month, a sudden electric price hike should be fine as long as it’s not too drastic,” he said.


Every month save RM4000?
That 6000 includes everything?
Including house loan, car loan, insurance premium, etc?
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More T20 will consider to whack solar and get battery.
Not gonna pay single cent to Tnb

Don't you think there's a possibility all these T20 want revenge?
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Just throw away the water heaters. including drinking water heater. Those are the culprit.
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QUOTE(Femsroot @ Jun 2 2023, 11:53 AM)
Most top tier t20 won’t even go vote. Mid tier t20 50/50 vote. Only the borderline t20 gung ho go q to vote. Actual fact. Don’t believe go do survey
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Wah! How sure are u?

T2 maybe lar.. T20 majority go vote ler.. some even bring along their old parents tim

Go check those votes turnout in well know expensive area lar

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What happened if lost job?
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Jun 2 2023, 11:10 AM)
Why MY give rich T20 subsidy money for ?
Do MY like to donate to rich T20 ?
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should benefit those that pay tax.

not those that leech of rich's ppl tax

=x
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QUOTE(Femsroot @ Jun 2 2023, 11:51 AM)
Subsidy money come from rich tax. B40 got give tax?
Why b40 need donation? If wan cancel subsidy cancel as a whole.
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Yes, B40 got give sales tax.

QUOTE(berzerk @ Jun 2 2023, 12:44 PM)
easy to criticize, practically impossible to implement fairly and effectively
it it was possible to effectively target subsidies for specific households, Najib would have done it already instead of pushing for GST
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Bangang dont make up bullshit stinking story. Cut subsidy in Taman Duta, Damansara, Sri Hartamas will be effective. Enable electric subsidy to public housing flats.

QUOTE(prozfromhell @ Jun 2 2023, 01:35 PM)
should benefit those that pay tax.
not those that leech of rich's ppl tax
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Yes, should benefit B40 who pay sales tax.

You three really cringe donate to rich.
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Jun 2 2023, 07:07 PM)
Yes, B40 got give sales tax.
Bangang dont make up bullshit stinking story. Cut subsidy in Taman Duta, Damansara, Sri Hartamas will be effective. Enable electric subsidy to public housing flats.
Yes, should benefit B40 who pay sales tax.

You three really cringe donate to rich.
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nope. is want to stop any form of donation

rich or poor.
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pls invent aircond with solar powered...most use letrik this aircond
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QUOTE(FappyBird @ Jun 2 2023, 11:52 AM)
Imagine u live in condo

U install where? Ur lanjiao or ur balcony?
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Actually yes, it is called balcony solar. In German, it is known as balkonkraftwerk.

They have a balcony solar registration system over there.
Just plug and play the grid tie inverter into ordinary power socket and register/inform the grid operator to reprogram the digital meter not to count the export as consumption. Any extra power export, grid provider profit!!! This is different than net metering scheme where consumer is not being paid for the power export in balcony solar scheme.

If any of you try to use such grid tie inverter in Malaysia, TNB digital meter will count any extra power export as consumption, meaning you are billed for the export.

Previously, their legislation limited the balcony solar output to 600W, it is extended to 800W now.

Perhaps Malaysia should do the same too? Balkonkraftwerk as the solution for high rise and landed? Less hassle and safer.

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jun 2 2023, 08:58 PM)
Actually yes, it is called balcony solar. In German, it is known as balkonkraftwerk.

They have a balcony solar registration system over there.
Just plug and play the grid tie inverter into ordinary power socket and register/inform the grid operator to reprogram the digital meter not to count the export as consumption. Any extra power export, grid provider profit!!! This is different than net metering scheme where consumer is not being paid for the power export in balcony solar scheme.

If any of you try to use such grid tie inverter in Malaysia, TNB digital meter will count any extra power export as consumption, meaning you are billed for the export.

Previously, their legislation limited the balcony solar output to 600W, it is extended to 800W now.

Perhaps Malaysia should do the same too? Balkonkraftwerk as the solution for high rise and landed? Less hassle and safer.
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Don't lah... there will be idiots who install the panels outside their balcony railing.
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QUOTE(prozfromhell @ Jun 2 2023, 07:55 PM)
nope. is want to stop any form of donation
rich or poor.
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sure, raise tax on T1.
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Jun 2 2023, 11:16 PM)
sure, raise tax on T1.
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again if raise tax should raise equally to all, in %

ppl should figure out themselves how to move into higher income bracket nia
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If corner house with lots of free land can put on ground instead of roof so that its easier to clean?
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QUOTE(prozfromhell @ Jun 3 2023, 08:43 AM)
again if raise tax should raise equally to all, in %
ppl should figure out themselves how to move into higher income bracket nia
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poor people cannot afford to get bank loan and do business therefore society is not equal. wealthy T1 should be tax, instead of being given tax exemption and subsidy.
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Jun 3 2023, 02:01 PM)
poor people cannot afford to get bank loan and do business therefore society is not equal. wealthy T1 should be tax, instead of being given tax exemption and subsidy.
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born poor is not their choice, but if die poor is own fault
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QUOTE(prozfromhell @ Jun 3 2023, 04:22 PM)
born poor is not their choice, but if die poor is own fault
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give T20 subsidy is not a choice, but if not tax T1 is idiot worst than you.
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Jun 3 2023, 05:58 PM)
give T20 subsidy is not a choice, but if not tax T1 is idiot worst than you.
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ya cut subsidies for all

stop helping the poor and the rich.
the market force should decide everything

cannot afford, dont simply breed
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The real T1 of even T10 don't even pay tax and not even in the list lol
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QUOTE(Phoenix_KL @ Jun 2 2023, 12:41 PM)
ringgit die, imported coal price go up.

For decades, Malaysia has relied on coal resources to generate electricity throughout the country.

As of 2020, nearly 66% of the electricity generate in the peninsula by Tenaga Nasional Bhd (TNB) was from imported coal.
https://www.malaysianow.com/news/2022/04/13...ble-energy-push
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Part of malaysia use alot of hydro power like in Bakun. Green energy.

 

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