I once pernah jumpa a boss of an intern asking the intern why should the intern get paid because, as long as the intern works under him, the intern get knowledge which is more valuable than money. The boss said lah.

u go massage ask for hj also need paid la. topkek

how's that related to whatever the discussion here?
trying hard to sound smart and funny?

Kasi tips sikit la bro. Boss so rich and cannot even afford to pay intern rm20 a day ke ? Boss go restaurant and eat wagyu rm200 and say it’s cheap.

but the massat lady get my mani which is more valuable than money

don't be a cheapskate. even intern pls pay since he's doing work. unless he just monitoring stuff (lawatan style) and do nothing.

Why not be paid?
>> No SOCSO/Insurance covered by the company
>> Mostly become underpaid PA, even PA earns more
>> Haven't include Labour Laws doesn't apply to Interns.

personally i think they should be paid or cover partially for maybe the transport and meals.
500-800 sounds fair

bosses liddat mohon sumbat kepala ke dalam jamban

exploitasi of workers

Never heard intern that didnt get paid in my industry, at least lowest paid rm300
Even that like 10 years ago

He thought this is zaman sistem barter ke

usually chinaman company pay around 500 only

My company give RM20/day only to intern.

Last time no one paid me. Tol, parking, petrol, makan, semua I keluar sendiri.

This post has been edited by Capt. Marble: Jun 1 2023, 08:22 AM

Intern should pay company instead. Consider tuition fee.

they also human, got basic necessity need. if we dont pay intern, they want to eat what ? grass and sand ?

internship is where they apply their knowledge after study and we mentor them at the same time. they also spend their time working 8-5 like us. we should pay them.

they should make akta minimum to pay intern rm1,500.00 per month.

yes

Simple: if you are working for a company, you get paid. Regardless of position

Ah so he admits the interns work under him right?
I mean, Malaysians employers do like slavery subsidised labor.

Ipohmali gonna rage

get knowledge?
lol
most of the interns i see are being used as waterboy equivalents.

they hardly learn shit and sometimes had to teach other employees how to do excel and ppt.
even if they learn stuff, they should be compensated like a normal employee but at a huge discounted rate because of the brief period stay.

msia are not short of complacent and narcissistic employers, so what your boss said is not surprising considering the shitty condition and ministers we have to protect the rights of employees. that's why they dare to do and dare to say things which is utterly ridiculous.

ahhh so you are the boss i jumpa tu

Should la, at least to cover meals and transportation to the office.

University didn't pay students to teach them.
Why should companies pay intern to teach them?

If I'm boss I'll charge interns to do internship

of coz la.. they are also sacrificing their time and effort to work for the company tasks also mah..

Intern gaining knowledge and not getting paid is not a strong argument. Since if that’s the case, the boss can argue that he doesn’t need to pay anybody since everybody is ‘gaining free knowledge’ at the company

Macam tak pernah intern.
Interns are not just students.
They also do work.

How isnit different? Kat uni buat research utk prof, basically doing his work.

If you give them FTE works then pay la. Greedy capitalist.

When I interning, I wasn't paid - but I was fully grateful to be given an interning position at one of the coveted company.

I ate the cheapest, slept on couches, eventually I found there is a hidden spot in the building that one hardly goes go to sleep for the night. Place was open for 24hrs, by then the security recognize me. So I would pretend to leave at 7pm, go to the cheapest jiken rice stall with most generous portion, then come back at 9-10pm when everyone left, shower and slept. Wake up at 7am before everyone else comes in, and I am seen as the very first who arrives at the place.

My ruse was discovered after a few weeks, but the bosses ignored it.

This was 20 years ago. It's common intern is not paid back then, AFAIK. But this made me stronger, not weaker.

not like they are getting full salary... just enough cover their basic expenses.

And they are often hired as research associate, paid for by the research grant.

if intern do any kind of work, then pay la cibai

me no pay during my intern..sad.

they also same like normal employee provide service to company, pay la

pay laa some elaun, many intern are given menial tasks to do because staff do not want to invest time training them for the actual work. the next good thing that they can learn is the soft skill of office environment.

My opinion is must pay a minimum that can cover their travel expenses. For extra money, depend on industry. Those can perform right away, should pay like codings, software stuffs. they deserve more paid

Inb4 salahan strawberry gen cannot provide free labour.

now even car workshop ah beng pay intern la
dun pay how to survive or even travel

let me guess
this boss works in a cinapek style company

they should at least be given an honorarium of equivalent value to the work performed.

Internship is supposed to be where interns apply their knowledge in the workplace, and also an exposure to working environments.

Unless the interns sit around all day do nothing, then interns should be paid, although they come to learn, they also work at the companies.

To not compensating to interns is stupid (other than cruel) as interns have the capabilities of a fresh graduates but given lesser responsibilities.

Given if a freshie was paid Rm3k monthly, 30% of the amount for a freshie is actually fair enough considering you are still giving interns tasks to help out freshgrads and oldfags in the company.

Of course, the reason such question appears is because many bajingan (insert political party) bosses wannabe think they are intelligent by abusing interns and trying to refuse paying shit while they use the money for downpayment to their new luxury car.

Malaysia fair for all konon.

Depends. Sometime i get intern that has no capacity to learn n perform jobs, too many mistakes, makes ppl more jobs to supervise n crosscheck their works. Worst is intern with mentality to pass the time due to course requirement. So the attitude is very bad, no heart to do work.

Should they get paid?

It’s all about conscience.

ko ingat intern tu pegi opis pakai kaki je. naik moto pun minyak kene isi. Makan pun pakai duit. lahnat kedut taik hidung masin betul.

the same can be said for his employees. no need to pay, all learn from him.

pay la the intern. worst than bangla if no pay.
dunno bout u guys but ayam had to pay for the intern semester.
apa2 lanjiao employer MY tak pandai but exploit worker employer MY is numbawan.

lai lai, my company intern gets paid 1500 per month

yes. plus with lecturing to their ears

Pay la. They work wat.

learn? learn what? bancur kopi or use faks machine/printer?

Totally sokong!

We have a minimum salary range and that should be followed. Currently the industry standard is around rm400-700, which is way too low and some companies dont even pay, as many said above, the mgmt feels they are giving free know-how.

Most f the interns period is 3-6months, these are kolej students who dont have an income. Last 2 years couple of my niece and nephews been going to internships. So I understand their pain.

First, they need to get formal clothing, that it self they had to spend from 500-600 (Long sleeve shirt, pants, shoe, and some even need to get ties as well; girls office dress and shoes)

And then, transport is another factor, they spend somewhere around 200-300 a month, then comes food around 200/mth

All these are thier adhoc expensive they need to fork out during the 3-6mths stint.

They are basically in the office rendering the job/task been given for 8hrs or more, hence they should be eligible for basic minimum salary.

These is where the whole bodies do classify us as forced labor, slavery.

the very least pay for meal and transport allowance lar.. rm500 minimum.

Elaun minima berapa? Gji minima RM1,500.

No.

These interns are there to learn something.

They pay money to the universities. They pay nothing to these companies.

Some allowance for daily expenses, maybe. But it should not be mandatory.

Can the boss sure all the task given will part useful knowledge to the intern? So no "make me a cup coffee" type of task, right?

Start with Malaysian givernment department / agencies. They pay RM0 for interns.

last time i work intern pun ada rm 800

not much but at least is $

how the fark we have this conversation today about not paying them

many ppl go for intern just to complete their courses lol .

Boss that don't pay intern or pay below minimum wage are active slave masters. Back in the day big strong slave rear naked choke them to death after they where free.

intern no need to eat? no need transport to go to the office?
work not done by them?
really cheapskate want to take advantage of others
hello. you will also have children in the future, karma will bite back.

Stupid take.

They are interns, not students at your company. By definition, they are trainee at your workplace. Even a job as petty as bancuh kopi is still a job.

They learn to work. I help you - there’s the word “Work” in there.

no elaun, later kena ransomware, pay BTC

u can teach me.
i can learn.

if u dont pay
i just sit down learn like a student

No poll?

this kind of boss quality......shame on him

at least must pay to cover the Transport + Meal.

lel
either you lazy or bad in supervision skill. Everything just dump to intern and expect them deliver it by hook or crook.

btw.....karma is bitch
you maybe sceptical
for my case, I make my ex-internship company went bankrupt

Let me put it this way. The companies do not NEED these interns.

It is more a CSR thing. If you were to add in minimum wage requirements, what do you think will happen? Instead of taking 2 interns, maybe they will take 1, or maybe just go without.

There was a tered recently where someone complained about charities asking for a minimum amount for donation.

Same thing here. Beggars should not be choosers.

edt: see post above mine for a good reason. these interns are not long term employees looking to grow together with the company, they can fark up the company just for the lulz.

This post has been edited by loserguy: Jun 1 2023, 10:27 AM

last time i not paid.
i request the evaluation form done and evaluated by myself.
i worked on my own thing only.

This post has been edited by GHBZDK: Jun 1 2023, 10:27 AM

Easy.

Don’t take interns if you can’t afford/unable to teach/mentor, unless if there’s a certain regulations or laws that require companies to take interns?

Or probably because to exploit and cheap labour.

The interns NEED the company to learn, to get a degree.
The company DOES NOT NEED the intern AT ALL.

The intern SHOULD PAY THE COMPANY.

:-)

Easy "Yes".

Last time being an intern 11 yrs ago, I did an engineer job, doing programming, product testing, prepare documentation, the part I didn't do was dealing with clients, gm, and shareholders. So yeah they should be paid as a staff should be paid OR paid partially, plus the company provide the accommodation, transport, meals. UNLESS you assign them as coffee boy, photocopy machine attendees

Actually it is more a CSR thing. Our employees will just include this in their monthly reports as a CSR contribution. Or for low priority projects. Nothing much. We used to pay the interns as well, but I can see where a minimum number will be off putting to most employers. There is really nothing much that companies get from these interns.

Put a minimum number on it, and I can almost guarantee it will backfire. Expect undergraduates complaining about lack of places to do their internships.

edit: exception for ipohmali lulz

This post has been edited by loserguy: Jun 1 2023, 10:34 AM

most kecam or complaints really cant see the bigger picture eh

again its based on budi bicara or what kind of work

there are two types of interns

1) observing only - some companies do not want to disrupt their flow to cater for interns but HR have facilities like internal learning rooms, thus HR will bring the intern around to observe only the department their studies are related to then setup a short workshop session with the department head. the intern does nothing but observe and learn, doesn't get paid, it is usually just a 1-2 day thing. consider it as a seminar/training workshop but free. that company considers it part of their CSA.

2) free labour - most companies will fall into this category. they think of uni/college as an unlimited supply of fresh meat for the grinder, they filter out the weak and only offer jobs to those they want. many pay these interns pittance, not enough to even cover their daily food and transport. is no specific law mandating payment for interns so some HR trying to act smart will always give wrong advise to bosses. for me i just offer a daily wage to them, just like any other part-time worker.

recently more and more companies only wanna take interns. no opening for entry level job. cilakak more companies follow ipohmali.

U can always tapao back, since she just throw your valueble mani into dustbin anyway

I ok intern getting paid. What I am not okay company accepting intern in a dept where they cant do shit. In my dept they need special access privilege and special id which they never grant to interns tapi insist us to keep intern in dept. In the end intern just duduk lepak minum kopi all day long, jadi glorified coffee fetcher and tukar photostat.

if they can survive in uni without pay

then surely then can do 6 more months right?

industrial training is not work.

my boss also same lol.
then still got the audacity to "head hunt" them lepas their convocation. offering them min wages

and since my company no proper HR eventho it's a 200+ employee medium sized company, middle level managers/executives yang buat interview and head hunt. i dunno how many interns ghosted, maki saya.
I grew a thick face, so thick that my skin can withstand gun shots

EDIT: oh yeah, i remembered my CEO once said "hire interns la, why hire those with experience? we can easily train them to do this job. interns are free or cheap labour, dont pass up on slaves wanting to work."

This post has been edited by iEatCuteDogs: Jun 1 2023, 10:57 AM

Should be paid.

I did real work during my internship before and didn't get paid for it.

My previous company that I worked, did not pay intern, used them to the max including coding, website handling, exclude them from company dinner (include them for the arrangement) and refuse to give certificate.

I needed to fight for my intern certificate and got nothing other 'why is she so special?'

kind of stupid to stinge for small money but create the impression that is long lasting, where you hate the company for the rest of your life.
and word of mouth can spread, telling everyone to avoid such companies

end of the day, when their reputation drops, they blame mother father and ask govn for tongkat. hahaha

wait until u find company that looking for interns to do some petty stuff in name of training like filling/document converting/copying without paid then when 1st batch done he open for next one so by full year the company saving like 3-4 position for free.

lol with this logic imagine your boss said this to you with your salary

and if you are intern dont be a fool la ; find company that pays compensation.. why work for free if you know they not going pay you?

unless you agreed in first place dont get paid..then dont complaint

this kind of mindset, good luck la.

the bare minimum that an intern should be getting, as an allowance that is sufficient to cover the cost of traveling (i don't mean grab / taxi) / food etc. interns are here to gain knowledge and experience, but at the same time it is additional support to the business / organization.

This post has been edited by andrewtho: Jun 1 2023, 11:38 AM

No need to eat meh?

Give some allowance is fine, should not be a pay. Depending on areas, some rm500 should be enough. Those that are good can get paid. Those that only want to pass the day, should not be paid

This post has been edited by Taikor.Taikun: Jun 1 2023, 12:14 PM

wow so my company bg intern byk la yeh rm 1k - 1.2k

There is always returns to this companies! The college basically do a free advertisements for these company that they are affiliated with. Many company use interns to do basic day-to-day job as well since they dont want to to hire full time.

My sis is at a job hunter companies, tons of company contacts them for interns placements.

Look at the world governance/standards, AU, UK, US, pays their interns the basic minimum salary stipulated by their law....

Not really la, you can check with most HR people. In most cases, they get more resumes than they can deal with.

As I mentioned before, these interns are only there for a few months, not really reliable in most cases. For most cases, it is easier and safer to assign jobs to the normal staff.

Not sure about contacting job hunter companies, I know it is common to look for graduate trainees, but interns not really lah. If they want they can come, if not we won't miss them.


https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-sa...nterns-get-paid

edit: I am not trying to lowball these interns. I am already retired. Just hoping that these youths don't get an overinflated sense of importance.

This post has been edited by loserguy: Jun 1 2023, 08:22 PM

Job search platform Indeed to cut 2,200 jobs
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/business/jo...nchment-3367221

just the first link that popped up when I did a search, you can do your own search if you want.
https://duckduckgo.com/?va=v&t=ha&q=do+inte...get+paid&ia=web

MNC: CSR
SME: Cheap kuli
Cinapek: What pay? Intern pay to come here!
Kekwa

As long as people think it is acceptable to exploit interns and not pay minimum wage, we will not advance as a society.

Glassdoor
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/hong-kon...631_KO10,16.htm

22yo M’sian Intern in Hong Kong Gets Paid RM7K
https://worldofbuzz.com/22yo-msian-intern-i...darin-language/

So need to pay a not?