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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_themes_i...inese_mythology

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Chinese mythology has been described as "rich in stories about homosexuality", reflecting ancient Chinese perspectives toward variance in sexuality and gender, rather than modern views. Chinese myths and traditional folk tales are greatly influenced by religious beliefs, particularly Taoist, Confucian, and Buddhist.

Myths include instances of changing gender and sexual activity between members of the same sex, or between humans and supernatural creatures that assume a form of the same sex.



Sexuality in Chinese myths

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Chinese mythology has been described as "rich in stories about homosexuality".[1] The mythological stories and folklore of China reflect ancient Chinese perspectives toward homosexuality, rather than modern views. These myths are greatly influenced by religious beliefs, particularly Taoist and Confucian, and later incorporated Buddhist teachings.[1] Homosexuality in Chinese myths or folk tales may involve explicit physical contact, but may also be represented by more "profound emotions and feelings", making it difficult to unambiguously differentiate a homoerotic relationship from other social relationships, such as a friendship or rivalry.[2] Sexual activity in Chinese myth is often described metaphorically, for example, in military terms. This leads some readers to interpret scenes of combat figuratively, as sexual metaphors. Popular folk stories are generally more explicit about same-sex romantic encounters than later literary re-tellings.[3] Male and female homosexuality were considered to be unrelated in ancient China, and there are very few descriptions of lesbianism in traditional Chinese texts.[4]

The pre-Taoist, pre-Confucian tradition of China was predominantly shamanistic, with the majority of shamans being female. Male same-sex love was believed to have originated in the mythical south, thus homosexuality is sometimes still called "Southern wind". From this period, numerous spirits or deities were associated with homosexuality, bisexuality and transgenderism. These include Chou Wang, Lan Caihe – one of the Eight Immortals,[5][6] Shan Gu, and Yu the Great, and Gun.[7]

Religious Taoism is generally considered to be polytheistic. Its many deities, although unified by the idea and practice of Tao, are often pictured as part of a heavenly hierarchy that mirrors the bureaucracy of Imperial China. According to the beliefs of Religious Taoism, Chinese deities may be promoted or demoted for their actions. Some deities are also simply exalted humans, such as Guan Yu, the god of honor and piety. The particular deities worshipped vary according to geographical regions and historical periods in China, though the general pattern of worship is more constant.[8]

Sexual abstinence is seen as virtuous if it results from self-denial, allowing greater attention to spiritual or heroic matters. This is not the case if abstinence is the result of castration. Eunuchs in Chinese myths are usually portrayed as "greedy, temperamental and cowardly", with a similar lack of self-discipline as women.[9]



Mythical lands

Women's Kingdom (or Women's Country) is a country situated in Southern Tibet or on an isolated Island. The island is believed to be inaccessible to normal travel due to its being surrounded by water of less-than-usual density, causing ships to sink. Occasional travellers have found themselves transported to the island by whirlwinds and reported that it is inhabited solely by women. These women have a fully functional community without men, and the only relationships are therefore between women. These women reproduce themselves by sleeping outdoors, where they become pregnant through the action of the southern wind blowing across their bodies, or by bathing in pools of water. Any male babies that are born die before the age of three.[10]

Another Women's Kingdom exists in folklore. This is a mythical land, in which men and women have their social roles reversed. Men are called women, and run the household while wearing traditional women's clothes. Conversely, women dress in men's boots and hats and are in charge of public affairs. The folk belief in this Women's Kingdom is best known from the eighteenth-century novel Romance of the Flowers in the Mirror.[11]


Supernatural encounters

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Homosexual encounters are common in Chinese folk stories. The Xian (animal spirits or fairies) often choose same-sex partners, usually young men or boys.[12] Some stories show Xian asking the Lord of the Fairies permission to stay with their male lovers for some time, which could be as long as years, due to time's passing differently in the fairy realm. If the Lord of the Fairies remembers, he may cut the relationship short, hence such relationships are often brief, with melancholic endings as the human participant is abandoned.[13] A Xian-human relationship is seen in the tale of "The Scholar and the Flower Spirit".[14]

One exception to the age preference for younger men is shown by the dragon, a powerful mythological beast, and a phallic symbol of male potency.[3] According to Xiaomingxiong, Chinese dragons "consistently enjoy sexual relationships with older men", one example being in the tale of "Old Farmer and a Dragon", in which a sixty-year-old farmer is forcibly sodomised by a passing dragon, resulting in wounds from penetration and bites that require medical attention.[12]

Other stories that feature homoerotic interactions or transgender figures include "The Farmer and the Pig" and "Fox Fairy and a Scholar".[15]



Legendary figures and deities

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Guan Yu, the deified military leader, is described in legend as "unmoved by beautiful women".[16] This has been read as denoting asexuality by most commentators, rather than a homosexual subtext, but in folklore his relationships with his (not blood-related) brothers are assumed to have a homoerotic component.[17]

Although the literature of some taoist schools included homosexuality as one of the forms of sexual misconduct, Tu Er Shen is a deity in Chinese folklore who is popularly said to manage the love and sex between homosexual men. His name literally means "rabbit deity". According to "The Tale of the Rabbit God" in the Zi Bu Yu, Tu Er Shen was originally a man called Hu Tianbao, who fell in love with a handsome young imperial inspector of the Fujian Province. One day Hu Tianbao was caught peeping on the inspector, at which point he confessed his reluctant affections for the other man. The imperial inspector had Hu Tianbao sentenced to death by beating. Since his crime was one of love, underworld officials decided to right the injustice by delegating Hu Tianbao as the god and safeguarder of homosexual affections.[18] In order to cater to the needs of modern homosexuals, worship of the Rabbit God has been resuscitated in Taiwan: a temple was founded in Yonghe City by a gay Taoist priest.[19][20][21]

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fuuu this time who to tangkap?
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WTF siapa cakap Liu Bei, Guan Yu and Zhangfei fucked each other?
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conclusion everywan ghey
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lol, angmoh really reinvent history of every country to fit their stupid WOKE movement
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lol, angmoh really reinvent history of every country to fit their stupid WOKE movement
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? 断袖 is literally not new in Ancient China
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gg GuanYu = Homosexual....


raid temple?
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See how much the colonisers de-gay'd us as a society

We could've been happy. And fabulous.

Now we just bitter and boring.
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QUOTE(Yenactiet @ May 26 2023, 11:49 AM)
? 断袖 is literally not new in Ancient China
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there is

but those quoted in TS post is not true

more like BS reinterpretation of history by stupid angmoh
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ May 26 2023, 11:52 AM)
there is

but those quoted in TS post is not true

more like BS reinterpretation of history by stupid angmoh
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i don't know about the rest of those, but the info about Tu Er Shen is true
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Cross species?........ the Celestial emperor is represented by dragon, while the Celestial Empress is represented by Phoenix.. sweat.gif
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https://daily.jstor.org/in-han-dynasty-chin...y-was-the-norm/

Bisexual is the norm?

The most famous is Emperor Ai during Han dynasty

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Diuu, Guan Yi is the perfect example of Transgender deity. Nothing new about it
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QUOTE(iGamer @ May 26 2023, 11:58 AM)
Cross species?........ the Celestial emperor is represented by dragon, while the Celestial Empress is represented by Phoenix.. sweat.gif
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More like beastiality lol empress can be from the common people. Only when become empress den is dubbed as Phoenix.
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QUOTE(Timemuffin @ May 26 2023, 11:52 AM)
See how much the colonisers de-gay'd us as a society

We could've been happy. And fabulous.

Now we just bitter and boring.
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it's more like the Abrahamic religions found their ways to Asia and demonised all these stuff
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QUOTE(sidthesloth @ May 26 2023, 12:04 PM)
Diuu, Guan Yi is the perfect example of Transgender deity. Nothing new about it
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yes, guan yin use to be male, later became female. sometimes there are statue of guanyin you cant differentiate between the two.
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QUOTE(iGamer @ May 26 2023, 11:44 AM)
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紅樓夢 macam ada leh but I didn't read that before lol.

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QUOTE(iGamer @ May 26 2023, 11:58 AM)
Cross species?........ the Celestial emperor is represented by dragon, while the Celestial Empress is represented by Phoenix.. sweat.gif
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cross species i rmb the angel guy that hates china used to post this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fornicating_Dog


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"The Fornicating Dog" (simplified Chinese: 犬奸; traditional Chinese: 犬姦; pinyin: Quǎn Jiān; lit. 'Dog Sodomy') is a short story by Chinese author Pu Songling first published in Strange Stories from a Chinese Studio (1740). The story pertains to a Chinese merchant's spouse, a zoophile who develops sexual relations with the family's pet dog; Pu himself was critical of such phenomena as sexual fixation on animals. It was dropped from early editions, both Chinese and translated, of Liaozhai, notwithstanding Pu's original manuscript, and was translated into English by John Minford in 2006.


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An unnamed Qingzhou businessman often travels abroad for extended periods, leaving his wife alone at home with their pet canid, a white dog.[1] Without her partner by her side, his wife begins engaging in bestiality with the dog — this gradually becomes a routine. Upon the merchant's return, the dog violently kills him in bed. Word of this spreads, and an incensed Magistrate calls in both woman and dog for questioning. They are found guilty and made to perform their sex acts in public, after which both are sentenced to death by lingchi.[1][a]

Observing that "this woman is certainly not the only creature with a human visage to have coupled with an animal",[1] Pu Songling writes in an "Appended Judgement", "(The wife) was a yaksha-demon in bed, a bitch on heat".[2] He also calls for the dog to be "torn limb from limb, and his soul dragged before Yama".[2]


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QUOTE(Yenactiet @ May 26 2023, 11:55 AM)
i don't know about the rest of those, but the info about Tu Er Shen is true
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu%27er_Shen

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Tu'er Shen 兔兒神 The Rabbit God, is a Chinese deity who manages love and sex between men. His name literally means "rabbit deity". His adherents refer to him as Ta Yeh (The Master).[1]


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Tu Er Shen was originally a man called Hu Tianbao, who fell in love with a handsome young imperial inspector of the Fujian Province. One day Hu Tianbao was caught peeping on the inspector, at which point he confessed his reluctant affections for the other man. The imperial inspector had Hu Tianbao sentenced to death by beating. Since his crime was one of love, underworld officials decided to right the injustice by delegating Hu Tianbao as the god and safeguarder of homosexual affections.[18] In order to cater to the needs of modern homosexuals, worship of the Rabbit God has been resuscitated in Taiwan: a temple was founded in Yonghe City by a gay Taoist priest.


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westerner be like, oohhh there were ghey characters in ancient literature, see every culture accept lgbt..
meanwhile ignoring Buddhism n Confucianism tradition that advocates strict gender roles, n lgbt is the last thing u want for a strict gender roles man
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Eunuchs existed in china since ages in all dynasties
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ May 26 2023, 11:50 AM)
gg GuanYu = Homosexual....
raid temple?
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Last time emperors use many eunuch, that is clear example of trans.
Young boys not even got bulu already sent to cut gugu.
If child rights exists back then......
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QUOTE(BL98 @ May 26 2023, 01:50 PM)
Last time emperors use many eunuch, that is clear example of trans.
Young boys not even got bulu already sent to cut gugu.
If child rights exists back then......
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dude emperor use eunuch because he don't want man other than him fark his women..

like this also can related to trans?

you know, those eunuch actually keep the part they cut away carefully, and they will be buried together with said part when die.

fark trans
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QUOTE(valerie0821 @ May 26 2023, 01:26 PM)
you know, that is screenshot of tv series make in ghey taiwan?
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QUOTE(Khamzat Chimaev @ May 26 2023, 01:40 PM)
westerner be like, oohhh there were ghey characters in ancient literature, see every culture accept lgbt..
meanwhile ignoring Buddhism n Confucianism tradition that advocates strict gender roles, n lgbt is the last thing u want for a strict gender roles man
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lol are you sure about that? i've never heard of these religions discussing gender, when they talk about human bodies, sex is always referred, not gender. even then, these religions do not explicitly discuss sexualities at all lmao, what they discuss is on lust at the higher level, rather than the form of lust.
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QUOTE(Yenactiet @ May 26 2023, 02:01 PM)
lol are you sure about that? i've never heard of these religions discussing gender, when they talk about human bodies, sex is always referred, not gender. even then, these religions do not explicitly discuss sexualities at all lmao, what they discuss is on lust at the higher level, rather than the form of lust.
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taoism has concept of yin and yang, which extend to defining human gender as only man and women, there is no in between by the way

Abrahamic religions all are very clear, no tolerance on LGBTQ+ at all.

hinduism, some argue got

buddhism got some creative argument by west woke licker
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ May 26 2023, 02:27 PM)
taoism has concept of yin and yang, which extend to defining human gender as only man and women, there is no in between by the way

Abrahamic religions all are very clear, no tolerance on LGBTQ+ at all.

hinduism, some argue got

buddhism got some creative argument by west woke licker
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taoism has concept of yin and yang, that's true. but it also says that in yang there's yin and in yin there's also yang, implying it's not a binary (or mutually exclusive) matter. and again, that's referring to sex not gender.

buddhism treats everything and everyone as equal, that's a solid fact. in fact, buddhism states that obsession over anything should be avoided which includes lust, and lust does not only root from homosexuality. not to mention, discrimination is also against the buddhist teaching. so to say buddhism is against lgbt is just plain ignorance lol, it's really saddening to see a tolerant religion being brought up ignorantly against this matter
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QUOTE(Yenactiet @ May 26 2023, 02:42 PM)
taoism has concept of yin and yang, that's true. but it also says that in yang there's yin and in yin there's also yang, implying it's not a binary (or mutually exclusive) matter. and again, that's referring to sex not gender.

buddhism treats everything and everyone as equal, that's a solid fact. in fact, buddhism states that obsession over anything should be avoided which includes lust, and lust does not only root from homosexuality. not to mention, discrimination is also against the buddhist teaching. so to say buddhism is against lgbt is just plain ignorance lol, it's really saddening to see a tolerant religion being brought up ignorantly against this matter
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nope that is wrong

only yin and yang.... nothing in between. yin and yang, that is binary. any argument against this is just BS west trying to force feed west agenda.

buddism has 4 sangha which is divided according to two gender

non binary people can't even be ordained as monk. this can be found in literature dated back to 2000 years ago.

The symbolic image of the silently meditating nun or chanting monk often embodies the Buddhist religion. Such representation may make it appear that Buddhist teachings and practices are grounded in heterosexual norms. However, there is also plenty of discussion on the various expressions of human sexuality and sexual orientations in pre-modern Buddhist literature.

In contemporary debates about gender, nonbinary definitions in particular, have reached many countries where this ancient religion is practiced.

Gender and sexuality in Buddhism are central to my scholarship. And my research demonstrates that queer life in the context of traditional Buddhist monastic ordination appears to be slowly changing.

Spiritual ethics
Monasticism, whereby individuals dissolve all secular ties and devote themselves to full-time study and religious practice, represents the highest ideal of a Buddhist community. By virtue of their dedication, nuns and monks become respected role models for the lay community and provide guidance in Buddhist practice. In return, the lay community offers material support to the monastic community.

A statue of Buddha against a backdrop of pillars and reddish stones.
Buddha in a seated posture. Jessica Rigollot for Unsplash, CC BY-ND
The Buddhist ideal of enlightenment resists description in either language or logic, including its views on gender identities. The famous declaration in the first-century text “Vimalakīrti-nirdeśa Sutra,” “In enlightenment there is no male or female,” illustrates this point well.

Yet Buddhist teachings often arrange followers by male and female genders. The four pillars of the Buddhist community, or sangha – nuns or ordained female monastics, monks or ordained male monastics, laywomen and laymen – are arranged by gender. This gender structure also functions in monastic living arrangements: monks and nuns live, study and practice in separate quarters.

This framework holds true for public teachings as well. The seating arrangement puts monastics in front, with monks on one side and nuns on the other, and laypeople behind, also divided by gender. Those who do not fall into the gender category of man or woman cannot be neatly placed in this ideal Buddhist community.

Sexual differences
One example of those who do not fit into the binary gender arrangement is a group of queer people called “paṇḍaka.” This Sanskrit term can be translated literally as someone “without testicles.” Another interpretation might be those who fail to conform to culturally expected masculine roles. A paṇḍaka could be someone who is impotent, either congenitally or periodically, or someone whose sexual desires are considered nontraditional. The term might also be translated as “queer.”

The attitude toward paṇḍakas, or queer people, in pre-modern Indian religions, including Buddhism, Hinduism and Jainism, was largely disparaging. They were feared for their seductive powers and were denied monastic ordination. Such accounts can be found in early Buddhist literature dating back over 2,000 years.

In fact, until now, to be accepted into the Buddhist monastic community, one had to meet a list of requirements, including unambiguous genitalia.

Buddhist monks with shaved heads and wearing traditional orange robes sit on the floor of a temple.
Buddhist monks in a lifelong practice of meditation and prayer. Evan Krause for Unsplash, CC BY-ND
Queer exceptions
One concern regarding the inclusion of LGBTQ persons in the Buddhist community is that their nonbinary gender does not fit neatly into the fourfold structure of the sangha. Another might be anxieties about preserving the perceived purity and reputation of the celibate monastic order. Therefore, Buddhist orders emphasize creating and maintaining the monastic order as an ethically exemplary community capable of spiritual pursuits.

In Buddhism, the belief is that the fruits of one’s past moral actions are manifested in the body. The Buddha’s perfect body is said to be the result of his virtues. Traditional Buddhist texts teach that sexual expression and queerness bear ethical implications. To be sexually queer implies past negative karma, which is interpreted in some cases as ground for exclusion from a monastic life – but not from Buddhist practice in general.

References to LGBTQ Buddhists in pre-modern Buddhist literature are few and far between. These mainly take the form of injunctions against their ordination in the literature on Vinaya, the term for the discipline of Buddhist practitioners.

Shifting sexual norms
Despite being underrepresented in Buddhist monastic practices, LGBTQ Buddhists in the past few decades have worked to be included in these communities.

Some kathoey performers – kathoey being a term describing transgender women or gender-nonconforming gay men in Thailand – have received ordination in their sex assigned at birth. However, their ordination practice is not without controversy.


The Thai Sangha Council, the governing body of the Buddhist order of Thailand, tried to ban such practices in 2009.

Thai Buddhism is part of the Theravada tradition, practiced in Sri Lanka and a large part of Southeast Asia. Outside of Theravada and in Mahāyāna and Vajrayāna traditions, the prerequisite of having a cisgender identity for monastic ordination is changing.

A monk who was denied full ordination because of his queer identity in the Theravada tradition was accepted in the Tibetan Buddhist community in India. Michael Dillon, born as a girl, Laura, in West London in 1915, was rejected from attaining full ordination in the Theravada tradition after being “outed” as transgender. However, Dillon was reordained as a novice monk in the Tibetan tradition and promised a full ordination, although he died before that could happen. Dillon authored a short book on his struggle to change genders and be accepted within the Buddhist community; in it, he argued that Buddhist teachings should accommodate a more expansive definition of gender.

Other cases of transgender and queer monastics in the Tibetan Buddhist world include Tenzin Mariko, the first openly transgender Tibetan Buddhist. A former monk and a 2015 Miss Tibet contestant, Mariko is now an LGBTQ rights activist. She frequently cites her monastic training and the Buddhist teachings on kindness as her inspiration.

Tashi Choedup, a transgender Buddhist monastic, also talks about experience of his teacher not inquiring about their gender identity, as prescribed by the Vinaya, during his ordination. Choedup attended an inclusive Buddhist monastic institution that did not enforce rigid gender divisions. Choedup now works to build awareness and inclusivity for the transgender Buddhist community.

The dogmatic interpretation of membership in the monastic community that limited the kathoey monastics and Dillon’s quest for ordination appears to be changing. The experiences of Mariko and Choedup represent progress and hold the promise of a wider institutional change.

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QUOTE(BL98 @ May 26 2023, 01:50 PM)
Last time emperors use many eunuch, that is clear example of trans.
Young boys not even got bulu already sent to cut gugu.
If child rights exists back then......
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Now US degeneration back to China olden times, cut gugu cut balls, produce more Eunuch...print some rainbow flags, no gugu and they will be happy.

The end game is - whoopee --+ 1 man can have 5 wives?
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ May 26 2023, 02:27 PM)
taoism has concept of yin and yang, which extend to defining human gender as only man and women, there is no in between by the way

Abrahamic religions all are very clear, no tolerance on LGBTQ+ at all.

hinduism, some argue got

buddhism got some creative argument by west woke licker
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inside yin there is yang and vice versa. also do you realize that guys have nipples even though they don't breast feed? everyone has a little bit of gay in them. it just hasnt been uncovered yet. blush.gif
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Mulan is another great example of ghey
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QUOTE(valerie0821 @ May 26 2023, 02:48 PM)
inside yin there is yang and vice versa. also do you realize that guys have nipples even though they don't breast feed? everyone has a little bit of gay in them. it just hasnt been uncovered yet.  blush.gif
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that merely mean yin doesn't exist without yang and vice versa.

on the ghey in every man part, that is just you
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ May 26 2023, 02:45 PM)
nope that is wrong

only yin and yang.... nothing in between. yin and yang, that is binary. any argument against this is just BS west trying to force feed west agenda. 
Refer to Tao Te Ching Chapter 42 then. And again, it's referring to SEX not gender.


QUOTE(desmond2020 @ May 26 2023, 02:45 PM)
buddism has 4 sangha which is divided according to two gender

non binary people can't even be ordained as monk. this can be found in literature dated back to 2000 years ago.
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hello, that's referring to sex not gender.
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Refer to Tao Te Ching Chapter 42 then. And again, it's referring to SEX not gender.
hello, that's referring to sex not gender.
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Yet Buddhist teachings often arrange followers by male and female genders. The four pillars of the Buddhist community, or sangha – nuns or ordained female monastics, monks or ordained male monastics, laywomen and laymen – are arranged by gender. This gender structure also functions in monastic living arrangements: monks and nuns live, study and practice in separate quarters.

what sex? brain got problem or not?

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Mulan is another great example of ghey
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mulan is male?

damn son
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Yet Buddhist teachings often arrange followers by male and female genders. The four pillars of the Buddhist community, or sangha – nuns or ordained female monastics, monks or ordained male monastics, laywomen and laymen – are arranged by gender. This gender structure also functions in monastic living arrangements: monks and nuns live, study and practice in separate quarters.

what sex? brain got problem or not?
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do you even know the distinction between sex and gender? if you don't know then educate yourself on that lmao, GENDER is a WESTERN social construct which has its distinction from SEX where ASIA predominantly bases on. if you don't even know what you're talking about, then just refrain from talking about it.
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do you even know the distinction between sex and gender? if you don't know then educate yourself on that lmao, GENDER is a WESTERN social construct which has its distinction from SEX where ASIA predominantly bases on. if you don't even know what you're talking about, then just refrain from talking about it.
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so monk and nun got nothing to do with gender???

you are amusing piece of garbage lol
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lol, angmoh really reinvent history of every country to fit their stupid WOKE movement
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weird they dun take the Olympian gawds for example.

Wasn't Zeus samadhi men, women, animal also wokey?
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This.

This is from China:


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Mulan is another great example of ghey
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so monk and nun got nothing to do with gender???

you are amusing piece of garbage lol
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yeah, let's proceed to calling names like barbarians don't we?
sex = male vs female based on genital organs you have when you're born

gender = male, female, etc based on what you think you are

monk and nun are grouped by their sex where males are called monks and females are called nuns. as simple as that, yet you don't even understand such basic stuff, the audacity to spout nonsense here doh.gif

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yeah, let's proceed to calling names like barbarians don't we?
sex = male vs female based on genital organs you have when you're born

gender = male, female, etc based on what you think you are

monk and nun are grouped by their sex where males are called monks and females are called nuns. as simple as that, yet you don't even understand such basic stuff, the audacity to sprout nonsense here  doh.gif
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for asian: gender is based on genital organ

nothing to do with what you think you are. that is woke BS which unfortunately some loser here like you believe in
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weird they dun take the Olympian gawds for example.

Wasn't Zeus samadhi men, women, animal also wokey?
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yeah the greek mythology is pretty crazy lol, got pedophilia, zoophilia, rape, incest and all.
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for asian: gender is based on genital organ

nothing to do with what you think you are. that is woke BS which unfortunately some loser here like you believe in
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if you're using English you have to follow their rules, if you don't like their social construct then just don't use it, as simple as that. there's a reason why I use sex instead of gender.

and by the way, why even bother discussing here when you clearly are not even taking anything into your mind? just to showcase your nonexistent e-penor?
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The golden lotus had several homosexual scenes even though the main body of book dealt w straight s*x. ming dynasty porn.
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QUOTE(Yenactiet @ May 26 2023, 02:59 PM)
if you're using English you have to follow their rules, if you don't like their social construct then just don't use it, as simple as that. there's a reason why I use sex instead of gender.

and by the way, why even bother discussing here when you clearly are not even taking anything into your mind? just to showcase your nonexistent e-penor?
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you are talking about asian religion, then you follow english definition?

lol, very confused person indeed
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dongfang_Bubai

Dongfang Bubai, literally "Invincible East", is a fictional character in the wuxia novel The Smiling, Proud Wanderer by Jin Yong. He is the leader of the Sun Moon Holy Cult (日月神教), an "unorthodox" martial arts school. In his quest to dominate the wulin (martial artists' community), he castrated himself to fulfil the prerequisite for learning the skills in a martial arts manual known as the Sunflower Manual (葵花寶典), and became a formidable martial artist after mastering those skills. His castration and supreme prowess in martial arts make him one of the most memorable characters in Jin Yong's wuxia universe even though he appears in only one chapter of the novel. His name has also become virtually synonymous with homosexuality and LGBT sexual orientations in Chinese popular culture.[1]
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ May 26 2023, 03:01 PM)
you are talking about asian religion, then you follow english definition?

lol, very confused person indeed
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huh? so you're telling me you don't predefine ambiguous terms in your scientific journals and expect readers to know what your use of terms is by considering your background? to each their own i guess.
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QUOTE(valerie0821 @ May 26 2023, 06:58 AM)
yeah the greek mythology is pretty crazy lol, got pedophilia, zoophilia, rape, incest and all.
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Not to forget that a gawd can bertelur a mix breed from a gawd, and a human can give breed to a gawd after kena pancut. Did I miss how a giant fathered a snake and a wolf? Talk about BEASTIALITY to the Max.

Not to forget, cheating, cuckolding, and eating your child. Damn I'll go back to the Chinese belief that "how fierce a tiger also won't eat its cub."

QUOTE(Yenactiet @ May 26 2023, 06:59 AM)
if you're using English you have to follow their rules.
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Greatly explained how the english user thinks. This why I always says that "the more english a bugger assume he know, the crazier he is in faggotry." Cmon, english is not the only language in this world, and for fukken mofo DLLM sure, you're not the bawse among the language.

Simply look at how english user behaves. Grammar Police, Language Police, Reading Police, etc. As if la you guise are the repesentative of English Supremacy punya lightning bolt.
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This. This fellow is also from ancient China:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Tzu

Please la. Just "go forth procreate and populate the earth".

Have more 龟 “孙子” 啦!
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ May 26 2023, 11:48 AM)
lol, angmoh really reinvent history of every country to fit their stupid WOKE movement
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You are either too stupid or too ignorant. Homosexuality exist in many old history in many countries.
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QUOTE(Adelyyne @ May 26 2023, 03:06 PM)
This. This fellow is also from ancient China:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Tzu

Please la. Just "go forth procreate and populate the earth".

Have more 龟 “孙子” 啦!
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what does sun tzu have to do with lgbt?
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what does sun tzu have to do with lgbt?
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魔鬼龟 “孙子” 之 孙子兵法。

Let the grandkids generation fight then figure it out!!

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mulan is male?

damn son
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Well the guy did fall in love with her when she was pretending to be men right? LGBT theme there!!!
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lol are you sure about that? i've never heard of these religions discussing gender, when they talk about human bodies, sex is always referred, not gender. even then, these religions do not explicitly discuss sexualities at all lmao, what they discuss is on lust at the higher level, rather than the form of lust.
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dude if ur a true Buddhist, sensual enjoyment is hindrance to achieve enlightenment, what more to say if one indulge in lgbt act to sate one desire..
confusion though this is not conducive for society so he laid out teaching emphasizing on family, society and gender role

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Many countries in the past and even now also have death sentence for homosexuality and transgender.

Should we take them as example to justify going genocide on all homosexuals and trans?
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dude if ur a true Buddhist, sensual enjoyment is hindrance to achieve enlightenment, what more to say if one indulge in lgbt act sate one desire..
confusion though this is not conducive for society so he laid out teaching emphasizing on family, society and gender role
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you've answered yourself there, that's not exclusive to LGBT.
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i don't know that
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You are either too stupid or too ignorant. Homosexuality exist in many old history in many countries.
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and they are punishable by death sentence in most culture

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yinyang sign demonstrate there are white in black and vice versa.
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i don't know that
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now you know.
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yinyang sign demonstrate there are white in black and vice versa.
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yes you are right. it is also manifested in the physical body as the male nipples which is non functional, and the female clitoris, which is sometimes referred to as "the female penis" or pseudo-penis.

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human species' creator was in feminine form. later devotees in power decisively converted creator to musculine form till this present day

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ May 26 2023, 01:53 PM)
dude emperor use eunuch because he don't want man other than him fark his women..

like this also can related to trans?

you know, those eunuch actually keep the part they cut away carefully, and they will be buried together with said part when die.

fark trans
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Keep the part carefully, can attach back later? like after they retire or quit their eunuch job.

 

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