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post May 15 2023, 12:35 PM, updated 3y ago

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From honda SC technician mentioned if CMBS activated with auto brakes applied, we need to brakes to cater the sensing thereafter it will give back the control to you


CMBS auto turn on every time after restarting car

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Cancel CMBS by fully depressing the accelerator pedal

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post May 15 2023, 12:48 PM

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just disabled it lah
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post May 15 2023, 12:50 PM

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This HRV old version no ADAS
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QUOTE(BL98 @ May 15 2023, 12:50 PM)
This HRV old version no ADAS
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Issue is not the one langgar but the newer one that suddenly stop
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post May 15 2023, 01:00 PM

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This case how? Sure car manufacturer? CMBS programmer?
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post May 15 2023, 01:01 PM

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post May 15 2023, 01:02 PM

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please update us if you get any reply from honda. ensure that you can claim for the damages and help the back car claim insurance as well. because it is not your fault or the back car faults because you suddenly stop on a fast lane.
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QUOTE(Capt. Marble @ May 15 2023, 01:00 PM)
This case how? Sure car manufacturer? CMBS programmer?
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post May 15 2023, 01:03 PM

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My car pun kena before. It just suddenly did a hard braking when there was no car in front of me lol.
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QUOTE(darkwaka @ May 15 2023, 01:04 PM)
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Depends if the assembly line staff is <racial reference removed> melaka or <racial reference removed> other states
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Luckily Geely Proton use radar based. Camera based sensor get this weakness. Inb4 made in Alor Gajah sure many cut cost
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post May 15 2023, 01:08 PM

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phantom braking.. ciplak punya honda CMBS sensor..

cant differentiate bridge shadow and car.
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post May 15 2023, 01:08 PM

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Problem when relying 100% camera. Unlike x50 using radar + camera.

Now i sked i kena this with my FE but dont want to turn off in case real car suddenly brake in front.

X50 ACC > Civic FE ACC

I own both. Lol. 🤣

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Wow....if shadow also give problem then I am really worrying, especially when passing the tunnel/flyover during hot day.
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post May 15 2023, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(death_nite @ May 15 2023, 01:08 PM)
Problem when relying 100% camera. Unlike x50 using radar + camera.

Now i sked i kena this with my FE but dont want to turn off in case real car suddenly brake in front.

X50 ACC > Civic FE ACC

I own both. Lol. 🤣
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myvi ASA also 100% camera what.. ok only never heard of such problem on myvi before..

and with the volume of myvi's being sold out there easily double or triple the amount of honda's with such systems as well..

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post May 15 2023, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(ratloverice @ May 15 2023, 01:03 PM)
My car pun kena before. It just suddenly did a hard braking when there was no car in front of me lol.
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QUOTE(Optizorb @ May 15 2023, 01:09 PM)
myvi ASA also 100% camera what.. ok only never heard of such problem on myvi before..
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sensitivity

that guy honda might set to highest or high


my benz sometime also will random prompt when there are sudden environment change (like from sunny day go into underground parking) or like this kind of bridge shadow

it will auto open all sensor , rear view camera and start beep beep beep

not sure how benz front collision work..sometime it will auto disable entire parktronic system for like 5 to 10min (maybe mismatch result in between camera vs radar kot)

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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ May 15 2023, 01:13 PM)
sensitivity

that guy honda might set to highest or high
my benz sometime also will random prompt when there are sudden environment change (like from sunny day go into underground parking) or like this kind of bridge shadow

it will auto open all sensor , rear view camera and start beep beep beep

not sure how benz front collision work..sometime it will auto disable entire parktronic system for like 5 to 10min (maybe mismatch result in between camera vs radar kot)
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Even with the highest sensitivity set, it should not brake as per video
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ May 15 2023, 01:37 PM)
Even with the highest sensitivity set, it should not brake as per video
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ya.it shouldnt

until Honda fix this issue ..best is dont set to highest ..atleast minimize the chance of random trigger

maybe japan or thai their road "contrast" didnt different that much (assuming they only use camera)

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Radar is still far superior ..
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Be it our law, rear car will get blame and burn his NCD.
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QUOTE(DupeIkan @ May 15 2023, 12:59 PM)
Issue is not the one langgar but the newer one that suddenly stop
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hopefully not brake checking ?

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Personally I don’t prefer to go with all these kononnya safety features.

More stress for me to take care of them.


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The guy got mod his new HRV or not?
If he got add on anything outside SC then cant blame dah.
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radar + cam = win
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the car behind just left?
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kecian all these safety system in the end causes accident
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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ May 15 2023, 01:56 PM)
kecian all these safety system in the end causes accident
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So now no more driverless cars ?
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looks like, the safety system is .... dangerous yeaahahhhhhh
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Those camera based sensor is shit only radar is more reliable. The moment Tesla shift from radar to vision, it's auto drive system has gone shit. Even their own engineer spoke up against it.
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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ May 15 2023, 01:56 PM)
kecian all these safety system in the end causes accident
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This is what happened when company uses low cost system.
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QUOTE(death_nite @ May 15 2023, 01:08 PM)
Problem when relying 100% camera. Unlike x50 using radar + camera.

Now i sked i kena this with my FE but dont want to turn off in case real car suddenly brake in front.

X50 ACC > Civic FE ACC

I own both. Lol. 🤣
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X90 ACC is same as X50?
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that road got hundreds of other HRV using, no AEB activated?
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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ May 15 2023, 01:13 PM)
sensitivity

that guy honda might set to highest or high
my benz sometime also will random prompt when there are sudden environment change (like from sunny day go into underground parking) or like this kind of bridge shadow

it will auto open all sensor , rear view camera and start beep beep beep

not sure how benz front collision work..sometime it will auto disable entire parktronic system for like 5 to 10min (maybe mismatch result in between camera vs radar kot)
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got option to change sensitivity? confused.gif confused.gif

for all AEB or for Honda only? confused.gif confused.gif
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post May 15 2023, 02:28 PM

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this only happen to lower end ADAS system. Use camera instead of radar.


camera based similar like our eyes, from bright space to dark, camera is blided, tot got wall or something, then hard brake.
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QUOTE(Optizorb @ May 15 2023, 01:09 PM)
myvi ASA also 100% camera what.. ok only never heard of such problem on myvi before..

and with the volume of myvi's being sold out there easily double or triple the amount of honda's with such systems as well..
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myvi. apa pun langgar kot. ahaha
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QUOTE(cfa28 @ May 15 2023, 12:48 PM)
just disabled it lah
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QUOTE(MegaCanonF @ May 15 2023, 01:01 PM)
Tu lah these days kereta manyak elektronik i takut liao
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I wouldn't buy top spec cars for this reason. Avoid cars with lots of sensors.

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QUOTE(JoeK @ May 15 2023, 02:28 PM)
got option to change sensitivity?  confused.gif  confused.gif

for all AEB or for Honda only?  confused.gif  confused.gif
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lazy to go down to snap ; at 0:22 ..u can choose on Active Brake Assist or something

then u can adjust the sensitivity to standard or sensitive

this is old w213 ..newer UI i remember got different naming like LOW/MID/HIGH

play around when i get the car ..after that just save according to profile ..when my dad drive ..he use his own profile



Honda should have something like this kot ..i didnt owned honda car so i dunno

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QUOTE(ratloverice @ May 15 2023, 01:03 PM)
My car pun kena before. It just suddenly did a hard braking when there was no car in front of me lol.
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Same honda model?
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This system is built not just to protect the visible obstruction in front but also other realm entity that may pass in front of the car.
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QUOTE(Matchy @ May 15 2023, 01:51 PM)
the car behind just left?
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maybe thought met a maniac who brake test him
better run away than to get into a fight and die.
hahaha
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QUOTE(matrix88 @ May 15 2023, 02:50 PM)
maybe thought met a maniac who brake test him
better run away than to get into a fight and die.
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QUOTE(ratloverice @ May 15 2023, 09:03 AM)
My car pun kena before. It just suddenly did a hard braking when there was no car in front of me lol.
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what time u drove? 12am midnight?

u sure nothing in front of u brows.gif brows.gif


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perodua ASA use 2 cameras while Honda Sensing here use single camera iinm

2 cameras can calculate depth, single camera 100% purely on AI calculation
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QUOTE(darkwaka @ May 15 2023, 01:04 PM)
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there are few reported cases in US also lah
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QUOTE(JoeK @ May 15 2023, 02:28 PM)
got option to change sensitivity?  confused.gif  confused.gif

for all AEB or for Honda only?  confused.gif  confused.gif
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my current Civic can adjust the distance long , normal or short. by default it's set to normal.
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QUOTE(47100 @ May 15 2023, 01:48 PM)
radar + cam = win
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Mazda also use camera based right? It will less function at heavy rain
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My active lane assist in cross also set to normal only.
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Aiyo I already paid booking fee for city hb v-sensing.

Don't really care about honda sensing, but v-sensing got nicer dashboard than v spec. laugh.gif
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btw, why both car hit liao, still on going?
the car behind sleeping, like that also can hit...
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QUOTE(cloudwan0 @ May 15 2023, 03:27 PM)
btw, why both car hit liao, still on going?
the car behind sleeping, like that also can hit...
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Salahan kereta belakang don't have CMBS?
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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ May 15 2023, 01:13 PM)
sensitivity

that guy honda might set to highest or high
my benz sometime also will random prompt when there are sudden environment change (like from sunny day go into underground parking) or like this kind of bridge shadow

it will auto open all sensor , rear view camera and start beep beep beep

not sure how benz front collision work..sometime it will auto disable entire parktronic system for like 5 to 10min (maybe mismatch result in between camera vs radar kot)
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merc could have different system, like my audi it have camera + radar, so even the camera cannot detect due to strong light, the radar will still function
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QUOTE(apamise @ May 15 2023, 03:29 PM)
Salahan kereta belakang don't have CMBS?
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what to do with CMBS, human override still required even with autonomous lvl 3
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not a owner, but curious to know is there a way to off/disable these shit features?
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QUOTE(WhiteFlag @ May 15 2023, 03:36 PM)
not a owner, but curious to know is there a way to off/disable these shit features?
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Now that you ask, I just realized city v-sensing came with digital dashboard so owners can change the setting for honda sensing.

All this while I've been wondering why v spec without sensing only get analog dashboard. Now I know why. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(apamise @ May 15 2023, 03:46 PM)
Now that you ask, I just realized city v-sensing came with digital dashboard so owners can change the setting for honda sensing.

All this while I've been wondering why v spec without sensing only get analog dashboard. Now I know why. laugh.gif
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means u can turn thse feature off?

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QUOTE(WhiteFlag @ May 15 2023, 03:53 PM)
means u can turn thse feature off?
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Yeah I think so.
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Not previously sudah ada this problem? Civic FE early owners mention if detect honda cars will auto brake
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ May 15 2023, 03:09 PM)
Mazda also use camera based right? It will less function at heavy rain
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But so far no issue. Enter underground auto on LED lights. Come out tunnel or underground auto off.

Enter underground even waze auto turn dark. Come out bright again. Same as mzd connect screen.


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this is why i kept on saying don't rely on these electronic safety system

it will backfire more often than u think laugh.gif
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QUOTE(WhiteFlag @ May 15 2023, 03:53 PM)
means u can turn thse feature off?
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you'd be surprise how many cars with these feature are all turned off

especially vellfire and alphard
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Oof. Same as my relatives' Myvi auto brake suddenly and almost accident. But that one was coming out from T-junction la...
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QUOTE(Jedi @ May 15 2023, 04:10 PM)
But so far no issue. Enter underground auto on LED lights. Come out tunnel or underground auto off.

Enter underground even waze auto turn dark. Come out bright again. Same as mzd connect screen.
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auto headlight use different sensor, usually placed at the dashboard like Honda and Merz. the AEB etc using those either camera/ radar or both based
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ May 15 2023, 04:23 PM)
this is why i kept on saying don't rely on these electronic safety system

it will backfire more often than u think laugh.gif
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well, for some cars even if you turn it off, it will automatically turn on after you restart the car. it wont stay off. so you need to off it everytime you drive. surely sometimes you forgot or fedup and never bother to turn it off
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Wonder BMW comes with collision warning.


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QUOTE(Brotherjoe @ May 15 2023, 04:41 PM)
Wonder BMW comes with collision warning.


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QUOTE(brian81st @ May 15 2023, 04:39 PM)
well, for some cars even if you turn it off, it will automatically turn on after you restart the car. it wont stay off. so you need to off it everytime you drive. surely sometimes you forgot or fedup and never bother to turn it off
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if the driver really buy that car just so he can rely on that system

well, all i can say is really good luck
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post May 15 2023, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ May 15 2023, 05:05 PM)
on or off
if the driver really buy that car just so he can rely on that system

well, all i can say is really good luck
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the problem is the buyer for the car in this incident never bought the car for that system, he mentioned that he never use adaptive cruise control even once. he prefers to drive it himself.
he also tried a few times to turn off the CMBS but it continues to turn on after you restart the car, so he simply didnt do it anymore.

must be fed-up if you have to manually remember to turn off the CMBS each time you start your car.

what makes it worst is that he actually is alert , and did continue to press the accelerator but the car seems cut off and does not respond to his action.
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post May 15 2023, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(brian81st @ May 15 2023, 06:05 PM)
the problem is the buyer for the car in this incident never bought the car for that system, he mentioned that he never use adaptive cruise control even once. he prefers to drive it himself.
he also tried a few times to turn off the CMBS but it continues to turn on after you restart the car, so he simply didnt do it anymore.

must be fed-up if you have to manually remember to turn off the CMBS each time you start your car.

what makes it worst is that he actually is alert , and did continue to press the accelerator but the car seems cut off and does not respond to his action.
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This is the craziest shit I ever heard. A capable and fit driver losing complete control of his vehicle. If in America siap class action in kambing.

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post May 15 2023, 06:15 PM

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Apparently it is the sudden dark triggers it, the camera suddenly sense how it becomes so dark and get scared then break forcefully, Honda needs to train the car to not scare of the dark
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post May 15 2023, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ May 15 2023, 02:43 PM)
Same honda model?
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Nope. Another brand punya.

QUOTE(Aaron212 @ May 15 2023, 02:52 PM)
what time u drove? 12am midnight?

u sure nothing in front of u  brows.gif  brows.gif
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2pm in a small town in johor.

The sensors of my car memang bodoh punya.
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post May 15 2023, 08:19 PM

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CHR 2017 pre crash braking does not really kick in but it just gives you a warning. 99.9% of the time it's quite accurate. but once I got a warning to brake immediately when it's empty ahead. it soon went away though. not sure if the brake will really kick in or not. haven't tried.

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imagine if this p1 or p2.. sure kena kecam laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ciwi1166 @ May 15 2023, 08:29 PM)
imagine if this p1 or p2.. sure kena kecam laugh.gif
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Car YouTubers dont get this issues last time when whack the car?
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ May 15 2023, 09:06 PM)
Car YouTubers dont get this issues last time when whack the car?
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New thing to whack, whack the car over the shadows
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If it is US, Honda already issued recall over night and get ready for the hefty fine. But Malaysian life is cheap, must wait till fatal accident then only they will take action
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sounds like cross is less likely to encounter phantom braking? Cross adopts radar + cam for its pre-collision system.

"Pre-collision System is Toyota’s speak for Autonomous Emergency Braking (AEB). It utilizes a camera as well as a millimeter-wave radar to detect possible collisions and slow the car down to avoid or reduce the impact.
With Pedestrian Detection, the system is able to determine possible collision with crossing pedestrians as well as cyclists, and automatically apply the brakes if the driver does not brake in set time"

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just the other day i said on another thread.
car safety is less to do with all these detection system, rather actually a car which is well built & tuned hav good grip & giv driver good control of the vehicle.

this is y something i really hate buying premium spec when it comes wit these warning/detection features.
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damn, when ADAS screw you over.

i personally don't like all these fancy features; yes it is a safety perk for the driver but sometimes when it doesn't work properly, you get screwed over.
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So often lalu this road with my HRV. No issues so far even with similar shadows on the flyover.

Does driver use ACC during the incident?

 

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