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Investment Advice Needed: Inv Malaysia Property as Foreigner

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DragonReine
post May 15 2023, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(MBCH @ May 15 2023, 06:17 AM)
Thanks bro

This is what we were talking about too, as now the FD's % are high and 0 risk. but he argue with the launch of CBDC's and the obligation of having something illiquid. "out of banks"
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Nah, guide for your friend, scroll down to item 3 "Minimum property price for foreign investment in 2023" in the link and read onwards from there:

https://www.iproperty.com.my/guides/foreign...ete-guide-12332

My dua sen for investment:

The high price restrictions for foreigners buying Malaysian property makes investing via direct purchase in market very difficult to sustain.

The main market for that price point will be high-income executives, of which local execs will be more likely to just buy their own property or rent from locals at a much more favorable price (since current market for both buying and renting is already a bit soft), while foreign execs do not consider Malaysia a very attractive destination to stay/work in relative to other countries in SEA, because we're neither the cheapest to live in nor are we the most developed, on top of being relatively not as foreigner/non-Muslim friendly. At least for the near future lah.

Whether or not this improves, who can say, but we're still poor in competition to attract/retain high-pay execs.
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post May 15 2023, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(MBCH @ May 15 2023, 07:37 PM)
No, fyi i'm not a local, but i have already 5 years here.

Thank you guys for sharing your thoughts we think Malaysia does still offer many advantages, and the rentability is good. but yeah it's essential to consider some of the concerns raised.

One of the prominent issues he mentioned and we all know is the visa situation. It's true that Malaysia's MM2H program make no sense at all compared to other countries in the region. various countries in Southeast Asia offer long-term visas without requiring huge substantial investments making them more attractive.

Additionally, the cost of living in Malaysia is relatively higher compared to countries like Indonesia, Cambodia, Vietnam, and Thailand. This factor should be taken into account when evaluating the overall affordability of living in Malaysia.

But my friend highlighted the rental market in Malaysia, and he says there's good demand with a RM 4-5k / month he believe that Malaysia's real estate market may benefit from future growth, considering the rise of China and emerging countries in Asia. The development activities initiated by the Chinese in Cambodia serve as an example of the transformative potential in the region, attracting people from around the world.

Personally i prefer (FDs) were previously discussed as a viable choice. However, my friend is concerned about keeping cash in the bank beyond 2027, thats why he is exploring property investments as an alternative to diversify and not keeping cash
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There are other ways to roll that money given the large amount and his foreigner status. Money market, ETFs etc.

Property in Malaysia has not quite come down from the 2014 high and is still relatively high, which keeps instalment payment on the high end compared to the rental average which is still soft/weak.

Whether Malaysia is able to attract China investment is a big question mark given China's culture being very not Muslim friendly and Malaysia politics still heavily cater to Muslim culture. We have people who complain about having alcohol in convenience stores (there's another ethics discussion about easily accessible alcohol but that's a separate issue), or having a "pig" zodiac year....

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post May 16 2023, 12:29 PM

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Another couple of things for consideration (pessimistic ones):

1) AirBnB originally developed as a "stay with host that will show you around/give a friendly neighborhood feel", but has become a short-term stay platform that end up cater to travellers that travel in groups, but cannot afford (or don't feel it's worth) to book suites/multiple rooms in hotels. This kind of also means that the target market has shifted to the budget conscious, which pushes down asking prices to compete against budget hotels that also offer similarly low prices with the benefits of a concierge & other services that AirBnBs usually don't have.

The result is that there is a perception of Airbnb attracting "lower class" people that don't care for and will be inconsiderate of facilities (because they don't stay there long term and want to squeeze as much as they can out of facilities use), like what happened with Arte Mont Kiara or many other "investment grade" projects.

Those that have higher percentage of own-stay owners will often move to block/restrict Airbnb, while those that have higher percentage of investor owners will show wear and tear after several years. Investors also notoriously will not pay much for maintenance and/or flip the property early, so maintenance fund often have shortage which causes even more breakdowns.

2) Foreign execs who come here to stay because of work reasons are often subsidized by their company. If accomodations are subsidized, usually the company will choose to deal with hotels and "proper" service apartments run by hospitality groups that offer long term stay packages, because they are more confident in paying corporate-managed fees (which are more transparent about pricing with proper invoicing) than dealing with privately owned Airbnb/rental.

Co-working/digital nomad spaces have become a moderately popular business thing in recent years, so you have places like Komune Living/Komune Wellness and Living (managed by UOA's hospitality arm) and JL Co-Living that offer all the comforts of a hotel at prices that compete with the higher end rentals, with the benefit of "free" utilities, cleaning services, laundry etc.

Personally I've stayed for short term rental at some of these places for work reasons, and with the convenience offered I find it very hard from a business perspective to justify dealing with a nebulous landlord of questionable reputation vs dealing with a company that is easily held accountable if things go wrong, when prices offered are similar or better.
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post May 17 2023, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ May 17 2023, 05:38 AM)
Yea some of the written English by these “expats” seem awful. My 10 yo could do better.

But everything is a learning experience Sean is going to UK to buy property and the Poms are doing likewise in Malaysia. See who does better.
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Could easily be Singaporean, or Malaysian descent but family had migrated so not citizen dy LMAO but expat doesn't mean good @ English lah, maybe they're also just good at code-switching

Regardless, unless rajin² background check on forumer, just take at face value n stick to topic.

This post has been edited by DragonReine: May 17 2023, 11:00 AM

 

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