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 [BMW bang die moto] court case today, ppl hentam BMW driver & his father

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post May 12 2023, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ May 12 2023, 07:36 PM)
Did PDRM confirm that moto was coming out from junction?
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Come I humor you a while

The CCTV house is corner lot, that is certain

Before that is the road leading to psuedo gated Hillview taman

And before that, is the twin road from POWIIS
One leads to Hillview
Another straight

Both lane have solid line across

So mana Mari?

You tell me
If straight lagi best, same road buta no see?

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post May 12 2023, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(patienceGNR @ May 12 2023, 08:31 PM)
Sorry can just drop the Google map location? Easier to see 😅
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Search back page 3 -6 it's posted

Or search powiis Tanjung bunga

QUOTE(patienceGNR @ May 12 2023, 08:33 PM)
The security bit sign is for where the Moto came from kot. Where the BMW was traveling on was definitely a straight road, but I wonder if based on the image you shared from Google maps, why did the BMW straight line have a berhenti solid line. Don't make sense.
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Go look then see the changes that happen there

Doesn't matter got straight or belok
Ada line stop jer lah
At least slow down lah
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post May 12 2023, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(patienceGNR @ May 12 2023, 08:38 PM)
Assuming the solid white line still there now, yes. He needs to stop.
That's where I said in my previously response, why did the pbt drew the solid white line? If I brake and come to a halt because I'm following the pbt lines, the car behind might hit me tho (this comment is unrelated to the incident)

But again, pbt can be weird one la. Today draw like this. Tomorrow draw like that.
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It's not a major road

Newly furnished road linking two taman I think

It is entering a edge of a taman
So all point stop

Simple as that
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post May 12 2023, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 12 2023, 08:40 PM)
He was the only person in the car ? Sorry I no understand Chinese.

Then how come so many people were fighting on the road ? If he was the only one that would be many against one as in other previous cases. His family is staying nearby ? Suddenly family also turun to help the son ?
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By the time of Fighting some time have passed already
Maybe waiting for pegawai penyiasat to arrive

So family member arrive also dee
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post May 12 2023, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(ticke @ May 12 2023, 08:44 PM)
both in the wrong. motobodo terus masuk no look see look see. BMW drive to fast on 2 way roads. BMW lagi charsiew destroy evidence.
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No concrete proof that the moto didn't stop before the line which is well behind the CCTV view

You can say she mistaken the speed
But cannot for sure say she didn't stop

For the car you can say for sure no stop or slowdown
Unless you're saying he slow down from 180 to 100

No way a 15m stop to 100kmph can happen with that bmw


QUOTE(iGamer @ May 12 2023, 08:52 PM)
Most are blind, they believe dead one must be blameless. Just like mosquitoes kids blameless, or the kid dead due to awek caretaker ignoring rules to exit junction also blameless. Emo ppl just ignore facts to please their emo.
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That case I fight till the end that the dead is not blameless
The sole reason why that incident happen

This incident, if the moto take center road, means can wack kau till dead lah?

She already on the road by the time of impact

The car unable to "see" is simply because of overspeed and didn't stop or even slow down at junction


QUOTE(kesvani @ May 12 2023, 08:58 PM)
Driver might be fast but from video motor just seem come out from junction into main road without stopping
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See the top of this reply
No concrete proof

QUOTE(iGamer @ May 12 2023, 09:01 PM)
The fact is both party broke traffic rules, but emo ppl wanna suddenly okay with biker ignoring rules while exiting junction.

I will continue my unpopular stand here when fact is fact.
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Where is the fact she broken the law?

QUOTE(knumskul @ May 12 2023, 09:08 PM)
That's because in cases which involve death, the fact the deceased broke any law is excluded as they already paid the ultimate price. They choose to focus on that instead of learning and teaching others how to prevent similar fates.

To them, justice for the dead > preventing death
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Justice for the dead here is exactly preventing future death
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post May 12 2023, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(JasonthegreatTWO @ May 12 2023, 09:06 PM)
I also saw the same. Motor came out of house slowly like hoping BMW to slow down for her. But this case need to investigate properly. Can go either way
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QUOTE(iGamer @ May 12 2023, 09:07 PM)
Biker should have also stop at the junction white line before exiting, the rules on how to exit junction is to safeguard the user’s life and other road users as well.

In every other Motobodo thread hypocrite ktards will say padan muka motobodo, suddenly race change and many suddenly sing a different tune….
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All guesses here

Some simple math say at 100kmph
The car is at least 70m away

If the driver say he slow down a bit
Means initially he is even further away

So cannot enter the road if the car is that far away?
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post May 12 2023, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(iGamer @ May 12 2023, 09:19 PM)
And that’s how the mosquitoes biker supporters behaved, totally ignoring the victims play their own part in the tragedy. Die liao so we ignore lah and race factors play important role in how ppl take side.
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Don't lump everyone together

For me facts is fact

Some are unrefutable
Some maybe unknown

But you keep spewing shites is a fact
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post May 12 2023, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ May 12 2023, 09:19 PM)
But moto should have stopped first since it is entering into a main road v BMW that is already on the main road (speeding ?)
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There's no main road
All party to entering the junction need to stop behind the white line
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post May 12 2023, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(kopiride @ May 12 2023, 09:21 PM)
So funny seeing arguments here. Fact is the car is speeding. That road is only with 30km/h.
Secondly, there is no blind spot there. Everything is clear. Even the place where moto turning also very clear.
There is quite a distance. Looking at the video, the woman is already out quite sometime at the middle of the semiD house.
The car obviously is not paying attention while speeding.
With the car dash cam that they hide, surely will have proof they saw the motor but bang head on
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Mostly inattentive then look up saw the van, while the car is travelling at high speed
So that why the impact as some here say is not straight on, but seems like aimed angled towards the houses on the left

The van on the right being bigger size caught his attention thus failing to detect the smaller motorbike on the left

Jerked back to the road, thus looked like aiming towards the moto at slight angle
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post May 12 2023, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(iGamer @ May 12 2023, 09:25 PM)
What lah concrete proof, the line the biker took, the way the biker unaware of the fast car, all indicate one thing.

To even bother to argue biker judge wrongly the speed of the car… u know how ppl judge oncoming speed? You need to observed for a period of time to correctly anticipate the speed. That’s why the rules is to stop and observe, not just slow down and determine the oncoming speed in milliseconds.
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I can also say that the moto waited 5 sec at the line

And at that time the car is even further away

2.5 sec is 70m
5 sec is 140m

Added together would mean 210 m away

So a 3-5 sec to judge a car that 200m away whether is over speeding or not, can be hard

But for me to say that , means is not concrete cause there is no data

But the face is always there, there is line that bmw should stop, he didnt as there is no possible way to get to that speed from 0 with only 15m distance

So the car is entering the junction at high speed

If say to slow down, means it was even higher speed before that
But that is just conjecture at this time
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post May 12 2023, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(Mattrock @ May 12 2023, 09:36 PM)
Looking at the video, our police looks like the most useless lot on the whole planet.
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They are traffic police


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post May 12 2023, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(iGamer @ May 12 2023, 09:46 PM)
Again, nobody disputing driver speeding…
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no, my dispute is that the aunty also stop for the line

and how she stop at the line for 5 sec means the car is further away, so she felt she can enter the road
thus can say she would have a hard time to judge whether the car is over speeding or not before entering the junction

but you cannot say she didnt stop because she wouldn't go if the car is speeding so much

velocity in the car is something that is on going

but all this is conjecture
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post May 12 2023, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(kanaloa @ May 12 2023, 09:48 PM)
ur information is a bit wrong. the impact is right in front of the cctv house. 10-15m away from the junction (stop sign).

*There is another cctv near the junction but might be blocked by a tree.

user posted image
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I lazy to reorient the gmap camera

its further down


user posted image

user posted image

the CCTV here is on the wall of the corner house

i dunno of any cctv near the security beat house


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post May 12 2023, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(iGamer @ May 12 2023, 10:03 PM)
The way the biker exit the junction in a sambil lewa way and also straying to the middle of the narrow lane indicate she totally oblivious to the approaching car.
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even on normal road, a moto cannot be at the middle?

car must be let pass?

some more this is junction

this is not near the junction
as show, line to impact is 36m

but junction to impact is ~10-15m

so basically the moto already is on the road , not entering
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QUOTE(kanaloa @ May 12 2023, 10:06 PM)
at least around 4-5 CCTV near the guardhouse. that will give a better overview.

user posted image
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is there a video posted by anyone anywhere?
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post May 13 2023, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(ScooterBoi @ May 13 2023, 11:47 AM)
user posted image

(The above picture, showing the misplace impact point, was taken from the above video.)

By focusing on the T-junction?

Not going to help him much as the accident was fully captured on a cctv, and the point of impact is after the junction, not inside the junction. See below picture from the cctv.

user posted image

Though the fb post is no longer available, it did show the where the impact point was, and more important, the moments after the impact until the car stopped.

It obviously shows the driver has no control of the car after the impact.

The million dollar question: was the driver in control of the car before hitting the bike?

In control meaning the driver is driving the car at a speed he has control over and able to stop at a notice and reasonable distance, heading and guiding the car in a direction he wants with his eyes on the road and hands on the steering wheel.

In short, if a car is going straight on the road, it could be the mechanics of the wheel alignment that is holding the car straight, and not the driver. The driver is merely a passenger and not in control of the car.

The driver has clearly lost control over his vehicle after the point of impact. Was he in control before impact?
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FUCKING KWONG WAH ONLINE
FUCK YOU MISREPESENT THE PICTURE

that fucking picture is is to show initially
when people was saying where the moto came out from?
and where the FUCKER BMW came from?

as some people say the fucker BMW idiot CBKia was turning out from corner
no way the car can be that fast if come out corner
that was then

CBKia Kwong wah online

want more realistic one?

user posted image

and i calculate if BMW idiot is 100kmph
he will be around 70m away, when the moto is at the junction, still not yet out
and 70m away from impact looks like this

user posted image

user posted image

I did simple calculation, approx 2.5 sec for moto to come out from junction to arrive to impact point

so 2.5secs from impact, the BMW is approx 70 meters back

so far also cannot see moto, is blind or simply inattentive and speeding

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post May 13 2023, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ May 13 2023, 12:44 PM)
Suspect bmw mau potong moto. Then bmBodo see other incoming lane car datang. Then brek mahal taruh kiri then langgar lor
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more like inattentive
there's a MPV on the opposite lane

and some reports say he is after work, so cannot really say dunno the road

either really stupid dunno road, that 2 lane change to 1 lane (which is not wrong, as the left lane is for turning only)
it still is 1 lane to 1 lane

so he thought there is 2 lanes after the junction, and the MPV stopping there cause him to swerve back

or based on his own words, he didnt saw the moto
which means inattentive, would be because the car drift out to center line due to inattentiveness
and when look up swa the MPV instead of the moto
so jerk back no brakes and hit with full force

intentional one i dont see it happening

QUOTE(contestchris @ May 13 2023, 01:04 PM)
Looking at the video, the car was definitely speeding (not sure how fast exactly).

But everyone here saying the car driver has to stop due to the white line at the road...wtfff??? 99.9% of us would not stop. It's a shitty road design. The "right of way" shouldn't need stop, the ones crossing the road have to stop. Plus unless you are familiar with this area, you will not be able to see the painted lines on the road. Plus stopping on a straight road for no reason, good chances to get whacked from the back also.

Driver fault = driving fast. But I will not fault the driver for not stopping.

Unless someone else can educated me about the road rules better.
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its a 3 ways stop junction apa so hard to understand about it
travelling at normal speed 60 and below would easily see the line and make arrangements to stop
there is no right of way here

QUOTE(contestchris @ May 13 2023, 01:07 PM)
This road have another problem if you are unfamiliar with it beforehand...it is unclear that 2 lanes merge into one. Damn fking dangerous in and of itself!
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he did say it was after work right?
so ? amacham still feign ignorance
speed limits are there so can able detect variances

so either speeding too much to not even see the line or not looking at all

2 lane no merge to 1

the left is for turns
one lane is to one taman lane

how hard to understand this?

QUOTE(Starbucki @ May 13 2023, 02:36 PM)
the driver clearly reacted too late as he was probably playing henpon. he wanted to evade only at the final second but then decided to sondol back for no reason in even though there were not oncoming cars on the other lane. clearly a rookie driver and an unfocussed one.
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its a conjecture since no rest of the view
there is a MPV on the oppo lane ready to turn
so there is no room to overtake

i dont think he "decide" to sondol
whether there is drift to center line dunno, but the aftermath trajectory shows the car maybe avoiding the MPV
more like only see the MPV and missed out on the moto in front

QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ May 13 2023, 02:50 PM)
Also the reason they sondol back is due to target fixation which is a common reaction when faced with emergency.
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see above

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QUOTE(Pulltea88 @ May 13 2023, 03:56 PM)
BMW driver oledi pau Kwong Wah reporter. Biasala orang Pening, semua Jho Low SOP.
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yeah
that's the reality we live in now
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post May 14 2023, 08:41 AM

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Some unsubstantiated report say there is evidence showing there is reflection of the phone showing that phone was used during the time
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post May 14 2023, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(vapanel @ May 14 2023, 08:51 AM)
Is it possible aunty want to suicide?

She saw the car behind but she still ride slow and ride so middle of the lane

user posted image
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If people wanna suicide

And you help

You know what's that mean?

Murder, it means murder


Yeah, go on, go slander the dead
Cause they ain't gonna fight back right?
Easy pickings eh, bud

Nice one eh?

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