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 [BMW bang die moto] court case today, ppl hentam BMW driver & his father

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post May 12 2023, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ May 12 2023, 12:32 PM)
Cant recall much, need to search for that news again. I only remember the lorry driver got bashed.
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Yup, lorry driver get beaten up becoz emotional jaguh kampong thought they are Judge Dredd, becoz a school kid was killed, but in fact it was the caretaker awek that come out of junction dangerously that cause the kid to die.
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post May 12 2023, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(mcchin @ May 12 2023, 12:34 PM)
There is a line
The car should have slow down to a stop if there is vehicle in the way

The moto enter the junction 1st
The bmw road is not a straight road, as there is white line before the junction
You all otak ketam or what?
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oh hohoho u dont know alot malaysian's dont know white line = stop

i everyday have to pass by a t junction that has no "main" road.

all sides got a white line, but guess what.

those going straight ingat theyre on the main road, and have the right of way.

just jalan only. i am just waiting for 2 going "straight" people to clash only then see how they argue.

some not even slowing down to look at all.

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QUOTE(jojolicia @ May 12 2023, 12:41 PM)
Evidently seen from photos, the position of moto

1) photo 2 - existing a junction into the straight road (enlarge this photo 2, you can see the moto) and
2) photo 3 - moto on the middle of straight of road immediately-after moto exited the junction

See the distance between the 2 photos, why i said 'immediately-after'

Re-edited herebelow as i did not enlarge photo 1.

On the other hand, driver did not stop at junction. White line (stop)
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Conclusion, both also wrong. But many emotional ktards die die wanna plotek TS title "innocent biker". I wonder if it's awek instead of amoi, will the replies be the same... innocent.gif
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post May 12 2023, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(mcchin @ May 12 2023, 12:44 PM)
user posted image

This is BMW view on the junction,

the accident happern after the junction a bit further down
the white line for what?
hiasan?
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Something is wrong about having the stop line (for BMW lane) here. Usually such stop line for traffic at major road exists only at junctions with traffic light. The vehicle from minor road must stop and yield.

Imagine you were driving there - are you really going to stop behind the white line? Conlanfirm kena butsek.
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QUOTE(ZforZebra @ May 12 2023, 12:58 PM)
oh hohoho u dont know alot malaysian's dont know white line = stop

i everyday have to pass by a t junction that has no "main" road.

all sides got a white line, but guess what.

those going straight ingat theyre on the main road, and have the right of way.

just jalan only. i am just waiting for 2 going "straight" people to clash only then see how they argue.

some not even slowing down to look at all.
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The problem with those white line for main straight road is that road users unfamiliar with such road would most probably fail to slow down at the white line until too late.
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post May 12 2023, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ May 12 2023, 12:48 PM)
The moto there also got white line.
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heres the crux

from the view of the CCTV the moto oredi enter the main road ~2-3 secs before the car
and seeing how fast the car's travelling
it would seems further away from the POV of the moto

so Moto enter 1st as usual
car fast come no slow down no stop
and the accident happens

QUOTE(Human Nature @ May 12 2023, 12:55 PM)
The area in front of the houses (for the cars to enter/exit the gates) seems to be an afterthought. Feel it is strange, the white lines.
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check my post below
the BMW road is the new one

used to be the CCTV road and the Side road only

QUOTE(mcchin @ May 12 2023, 12:55 PM)
if you check back the street view

the road BMW coming from was not there at 2018

user posted image
the road is made since Jan 2019

user posted image

so last time the Taman Hillview (the moto possible origin, like a gated community)
is the one that uses the Jalan Lo Poh Heng

and with new road, they end up with a 3 way stop, since the side road to Hilview used to be the only road linked to the main road

and the new road would have the stop line as well
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the main story: BMW hit motor.
the focus: why moto don't wear helmet properly.

typical ktards. laugh.gif
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post May 12 2023, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(mcchin @ May 12 2023, 01:01 PM)
heres the crux

from the view of the CCTV the moto oredi enter the main road ~2-3 secs before the car
and seeing how fast the car's travelling
it would seems further away from the POV of the moto

so Moto enter 1st as usual
car fast come no slow down no stop
and the accident happens
check my post below
the BMW road is the new one

used to be the CCTV road and the Side road only
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I'll play the devil's advocate.

Let's swap vehicle type: BMW the one exiting from the minor lane and moto was coming straight from major road.

Motor hits car and RIP. Who is wrong now?
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QUOTE(robotking123 @ May 12 2023, 12:39 PM)
The opposite car got slow down, that mean the bm saw the motor and wanted overtake but opposite lane suddenly blocked by car so no choice makan balik and bang. That's why many impatient drivers who give way like gonna die, they are many such shitty drivers, ayam encountered a lot, even they stopped then they will honk you non stop
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I will also honk 9 motobodo that came out of junction assuming the world revolves around them.
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post May 12 2023, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(mcchin @ May 12 2023, 01:01 PM)
heres the crux

from the view of the CCTV the moto oredi enter the main road ~2-3 secs before the car
and seeing how fast the car's travelling
it would seems further away from the POV of the moto

so Moto enter 1st as usual
car fast come no slow down no stop
and the accident happens
check my post below
the BMW road is the new one

used to be the CCTV road and the Side road only
I mean the lines in front of the 3 huge houses. Shouldnt it be a straight dashed line instead of following the contour of the curb. Anyway, what do I know. Maybe different codes.
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QUOTE(ZforZebra @ May 12 2023, 12:58 PM)
oh hohoho u dont know alot malaysian's dont know white line = stop

i everyday have to pass by a t junction that has no "main" road.

all sides got a white line, but guess what.

those going straight ingat theyre on the main road, and have the right of way.

just jalan only. i am just waiting for 2 going "straight" people to clash only then see how they argue.

some not even slowing down to look at all.
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Dashcam trumps all

QUOTE(iGamer @ May 12 2023, 12:58 PM)
Conclusion, both also wrong. But many emotional ktards die die wanna plotek TS title "innocent biker". I wonder if it's awek instead of amoi, will the replies be the same... innocent.gif
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My own comments will be the sam
the proof is there
logic is there

why play on other sentiments? whistling.gif

QUOTE(mushigen @ May 12 2023, 01:00 PM)
Something is wrong about having the stop line (for BMW lane) here. Usually such stop line for traffic at major road exists only at junctions with traffic light. The vehicle from minor road must stop and yield.

Imagine you were driving there - are you really going to stop behind the white line? Conlanfirm kena butsek.
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check back old street view

new road not same as pre 2018

QUOTE(iGamer @ May 12 2023, 01:01 PM)
The problem with those white line for main straight road is that road users unfamiliar with such road would most probably fail to slow down at the white line until too late.
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that is not really a main road used by many
its just a wider new road that leads into taman

which one should not speed through
and definitely aware of surrounding more since higher chance of stray incidents happen
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Looks like unker was right, both motobodo and carbodo.

but this time, if the car was slower and the helmet was correctly fasten. Maybe the aunty still alive.


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you'd be surprised how many BMW drivers on the road out there really just keep on pressing their accelerator with no purpose in mind

even the light in front is red or there is a speed bump in front, they still accelerate rclxub.gif

this is why i really support gov remove the petrol subsidy...eventhough i'm just a B40

This post has been edited by MR_alien: May 12 2023, 01:08 PM
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post May 12 2023, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(StorMx @ May 12 2023, 12:07 PM)
Jail the driver 10 years minimum, this is murder without motive no matter how you see it
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Not going to happen.

Drug-positive, no driving license, killed a navy officer only got a 6.5 years jail sentence.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2020...cer-in-accident

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QUOTE(ciwi1166 @ May 12 2023, 01:01 PM)
the main story: BMW hit motor. FACT
the focus: why moto don't wear helmet properly. FACT

typical ktards. laugh.gif
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If u did read most comments, most arguments are whether biker is as "innocent" as TS title implied.
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QUOTE(mcchin @ May 12 2023, 01:05 PM)
check back old street view

new road not same as pre 2018
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The one you posted is new view kan? Why talk about pre 2018 when the accident happened in 2023?

Don't you find the white stop line strange and not supposed to be there? Who's supposed to stop and who's supposed to have right of way if both junctions have stop lines and no traffic lights?
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QUOTE(mcchin @ May 12 2023, 01:01 PM)
heres the crux

from the view of the CCTV the moto oredi enter the main road ~2-3 secs before the car
and seeing how fast the car's travelling
it would seems further away from the POV of the moto
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If the moto did check and see the car coming up at that speed, I doubt she will continue to turn and immediately move to middle of the road.
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QUOTE(mushigen @ May 12 2023, 01:04 PM)
I'll play the devil's advocate.

Let's swap vehicle type: BMW the one exiting from the minor lane and moto was coming straight from major road.

Motor hits car and RIP. Who is wrong now?
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if hit belakang BMW
moto wrong
cause that means BMW oredi enter the junction

if hit front fender means car wrong, cause the moto oredi enter junction



QUOTE(iGamer @ May 12 2023, 01:04 PM)
I will also honk 9 motobodo that came out of junction assuming the world revolves around them.
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at least you have time to honk
this case maciam no contingency plan for the BMW jer
just power through

QUOTE(Human Nature @ May 12 2023, 01:05 PM)
I mean the lines in front of the 3 huge houses. Shouldnt it be a straight dashed line instead of following the contour of the curb. Anyway, what do I know. Maybe different codes.
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here

user posted image

its actually a double line to prevent overtaking the middle like
but dashed for each house so they can cross to enter the home from the opposite lane



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