hi sifus out there..

i need a recommendation for my car...
right now im currently using soundstream xsc.6 6.5" speaker for my front speaker with tweeter, stock speaker at the back and stock blaupunkt HU..
i know that i need an amp n a woofer to make the sound more keng rite? are the stock speaker at the back sufficient or do i need to change?
so wht type of amp should i buy? 4ch or 2ch? n the woofer, how big should it be?
my budget is rm1k for the amp n woofer.. willing to add more if the back speaker need to change..
sori if my question is sooo stupid coz i m very noob in ICE setup ^^
my type of music is rock, metal, punk blablabla..
im not into rnb or hiphop music...

hehe not related.. .how ur persona handling all ok ?

hehe so far ok lor, already 2500km hehe.. now need to improve my sound pleasure for my car ^^

i dun think ur stock HU can connect amps leh...its need high low converter lorr..u can check it out ur stock HU..unless u buy aftermarket head unit (got RCA connection)....
Buy a 2 x 12" subwoofer + amps...take out ur rear speaker laa...get a decent head unit (alpine)

em i know my hu is sux(i think) but is there any hu out there that i can fit into my car? the hu itself is like attached to the dashboard, not like common hu that can plug n play type... if there is any aftermarket hu that i can buy to replace my stock hu, do let me know ^^
em so, if i buy the subwoofer, i dun need the rear speaker eh? sori noob question ^^

yes... you can add a sub woofer and still running your rear... no problem with tht... but an improvement to your sound quality could be done by high-pass the rear speaker above the sub frequency...

other than tht... if you are into better sound system rather than louder sound system, a decent 12" subwoofer would be sufficient... other than tht have your sub woofer box custom made to match the sub woofer...

and well your HU problem... try to check with your installer to see whether there is any cover they selling if you are to change your HU... if none... a custom fabrications could be done to fit in your HU... not expensive but just whether you willing to spend tht money or not... if you are not happy with the price... there is always an option with stock HU intergration units, ie. 3.sixty, AudioControl, and a lot more... but there is also a price to pay... do some research around... you could find a lot of them in the market now...

jus my 2 cents

cheers...

so which one is good? with or without rear speaker if i add subwoofer?

so i do need to change my HU, rite? my fren said no need to change it as they can make the amp workable with my HU by doing some modification.. sori, i dunno wht he say

so about the subwoofer, which one is good, with or without box?

not modification laa...just add a hi-low converter...i alwis prefer subwoofer with box....i dunno how to explain...but i personnally audited sub with & without box....

yes. as craziechild said, set higher pass for rear speaker.
but i will think is better u remove the rear speaker & concentrate to add subwoofer (as u preference songs is rock, metal & etc), the subs will give u sufficient bass compare to the rear speaker....

my 2 cents nia...

ok so ill replace my rear speaker with subwoofer+box..
about the amp, wht type is recommended? coz i saw there is 4/3/2 ch, 2ch, 4ch, pre amp, monoblock..
sifu, help me..

is better use monoblock....more power & ada boommm...kekeke
betwn can use 2 channel...but need to bridge mono

so... how to ask the worker to do like u said? sori for da trouble...

well... its not which one is better between with or without rear speaker... i ahd audited some great setup with rear speakers and those owners pointed out adding a rear speaker after they are done with their setup was a huge leap of improvement... but some say they would never think about it.. cuz it does more damage than good... i am in the second caterogy...

for sub without box you loose your sub's "kicks" and the loudness... but then the sound will be very "smooth" not punchy type... but not many sub in the low priced market are good running without an enclosure...

well... like bro derek said... adding a hi-lo is the option your friend mentioned... but i would recommend tht... when you are shopping for your amp... try to look for amps tht accept hi-input other than the normal RCA low inputs... tht would be a better choice... there are still many good brands tht provide this input if you look around... a cheap hi-lo is not a good choice as they would sometimes introduce noise to your sound...

as for your amps... hmm... i would say a 4ch amp would be good choice... 2ch for your front pair and 2ch bridged for your sub... tht is of cuz you are going for 1 sub only... if more... then a monoblock would be better choice... bridging mono i think most installer knows about it... and no need to tell them also they will do it... so no scare on tht...

cheers...

cheers...

care to explain to me why it does more damage than good by adding rear speaker..

so.. for my type of music(rock,metal,punk blablabla) should i add box for my subwoofer.. ?

so any recommended amps that gives good hi-lo...

erm for the sub, if i want to add 2 subs so i juz need 2ch for my front pair and monoblock for my sub rite?

once again, sory for the inconvenience

any audio installaer shud know how to do...is either u buy monoblock(1 channel) or 2 channel amps...
if u get 2 channel amps for ur sub...then u need to bridge mono(mean 2 channel bridge into 1 channel)....
since u are a rocky & metal type, i think monoblock shud be better & more power to juice ur sub sub....
no harm to use 2 channel amps & bridge it to pump ur sub, but there is possibility weaken ur amps & stability power output....

my 2 cents niaa....

hmm.. why more damage than good.... well it boils down to what is your definition of good SQ... some say its loudness.. some say its the vocals... but to me its the realistics of the sound stage...

meaning... i wan my sound stage to be in front of me... no where else... so adding a rear speker would give me a double staging source... so it pretty much damages my SQ based on my own definition... right?

your music selctions is very different from mine.. but i love the way linkin park, green day and chemical romance sound in my setup... i hope thesse examples helps... hehe... my sub is in a enclosure btw...

amps tht gives a good high lo... hmm... DLS... some older Soundstream... jus what i can remember for now... not really remember them cuz i dun use them... but do check around with their manuals and stuff like tht... sould be able to find it.. no probleam...

well... you are pretty much right for the amps things... but btw... they are some hybrib amps too... like genesis and DLS tht are 3 channel amp... you can try those if the power is right for you...

as for your sub... no matter how many you are going to add... make sure you get the right enclosure for your sub... it makes a whole lot difference...

cheers...

oo ok, so ill try using ur setup to my car.. hope can get good results..

so for the subwoofer, does it usually come with enclosure.. or do i hav to buy separately or custom made?

erm... the sub woofer would usually come without an enclosure... and well only reputable installers customs them... if you go for brothers and such... they would say the box is all the same...

you mean you are going to copy my setup to your car? hehe... good if you are willing to spend tht money... but good luck find the stuff...

cheers...

Good job!
You success poison him liao....

no la...

another true ICEr has born...

no la, still got a long way to go hehe.. furthermore im newbie to this stuff, so hav to learn more from all the sifus out here..

hehe... newbie with a good setup is the best platform to learn things from haha...

anyway... what budget you have in mind for your car? or currently what are you eyeing?

cheers...

Everyone also start from newbie...

em for the budget, i dun mind how much actually but i hope its not too expensive as im juz a beginner, so better start from not too expensive beginner setup.. later when i knowledgable enuff bout this ICE stuff, then ill move on to intermediate setup and finally to expert setup.. no use if im having good hi end stuff but know nothing bout it n hav to depends to someone to install n set it up for u rite? no feel if im like tht huhu...

em another question, better to use same brand or mix for ur car?..

If like that you will waste ur beginner setup when u go into high end...

Same brand or mix brand alll depend on user...
But some brand only specialist on some product like Alpine famous on HU, DLS famous on Speaker + Amp, Clarion only Hu good....JL on sub..Steg only got amp...
Sometime diff brand when mix together can have amazing effect..hehe

agreed with loon.... so basically when you played till a stage... you have to know what you wan and what is suitable for you... and the suitable pair... most of the time only achivable when you audited various other's setup... unless of cuz your installer lets you audit jus about anything available in the shop and in various setup... haha...

anyway... beginner's setup shold be around RM3k price tag... for a full setup... expensive... well depends on you wan to do it one shot or like loon's one stage to another... but like loon's... you have to plan out from the very beginning... talk to a reputable installer like KF, CV and such... they are more than willing to help you...

cheers...

As a icer, u need passion & learn before u into ice world....dun spend on beginner setup as it will only cost u more when u are in the upgrade setup....try to start into intermediate level, as when u make upgrade, it will not kill ur pocket....
my 2 cents nia.....

Try to do more survey 1st...
make sure what kind of music u like to listen more, like vocal, musical...
Then focus on n scope down the brand with close to the music u listen.
then go for it lo..

Try to have the product knowledge & market price , then the installer can't potong u much...

Lets do it the simple way
Hook a component set of Sound stream which will cost you bout 400
and settle for a 12' xplod round 280 with any cap abang amp that'll be able to supprt it i suppose somewher round 200 + cables and ....etc will cost you extra 50 + , total 900+ below 1k and you can have fun trying to get the vibe you want
cheers

haha... any suggestions worse than this? hehehe...

owh, so it means it doesnt matter if i mix up the brand rite? ok ill try to c which one is suitable for my music taste.. does it make diff if i installed 1 or 2 subwoofer? erm i do hav problem finding a reputable shop for installing my setup.. b4 this, i installed my soundstream component set for my front speaker and i notice my radio is not clear after tht.. izzit bcoz of the installing problem? i live in sri kembangan and i hope i can find reputable shop to help me.. thnx sifu...

you get extra louder bass than one sub when you install two... but bear in mind that a good sub with a good amp would sound better rather than two lower end subs... so my advise is to go for one... unless of cuz you are a bass freak...

the radio reception thing... sometimes from my rather little experience as an installer, sometimes you hav to isolate the antenna's wire from the bundle of wires to get a better reception... or some auto antenna needs more grounding to sound good... jus from my experiences mostly this two is the culprits... and some HU has bad radio receptions... so cant change much on those...

for reputable installer... well... why not join forums like mycarhifi.com, gr8tunes.net, icehifi.com ... the people there are more than willing to help you get a good installer... me and loon mayb not so sure... cuz i am from sarawak while loon is from pg(if i am not mistaken)...

cheers...

can try Automotive Genesis at seri kembangan also....

automotive genesis as others suggested(i havent visited howie yet, so i couldnt comment on that)

there's a number of good installers around KV
ACP SS2
CV damansara uptown/kuchai lama
KF audio aman suria
KK Lau SS3
there's a few more which im not quite sure about the location, so i wont mention that here

i got mine installed at CV, satisfied for the price (well partially because its very near, i lazy drive far far )

For Persona guys,

Need help here, recently i done my installation on SoundStream PCC6 6.5.
quite a good bass and clear voice, after a few weeks it seems like i need go for more now.
But i wan't to do quotation b4 moving a step ahead..
i am planning to get a 4 chan amp and a sub (already have my choice)

the problem rise here, (My additional expanses)
1> is that ture my current unit can't connect to the amp ? need a so called 'hi-end cable' to connect thru ? will it makes slightly bad quality ?
2> how much it dat cost me ?
3> Is dat true, obligatory to buy a so call 'power stabilizer' if yes how much ?
4> And i need to know how much is dat cost for installing my amp and sub ?

For those ppl with persona already done this , or have a knowledge on this please do reply me
i am really looking forward..

Thank you and Cheers to u all

u can audit different type of audio system to know what u needed actually. I got a few car with different setup and style. Can come to audit if u are free :> not a prob

May i know that persona HU can be changed?

change HU maybe ?
den stock. get midbass .
den pump in mono and sub.
or u wan combine , den get active sub Blaupunkt ^^
got ans ur Q not o ?

persona HU can b changed, but so far i only c aftermarket panel to fit 1din HU...

howie, u guys got sell aftermarket panel to fit 2din HU for persona?

ya, it can be change to single din aftermarket hu...
if u wan it to be d.din, we can make it too..but it take a few day to complete because we use fibre to custom the d.din panel with carbon/wood/steel mesh or any other style of finishing...

btw, if u plan to mod ur ice on ur car, u can always come visit me for a system test and find out what u wanted in ur ride. there's a car for u to test...:> hehe

hey all sifus, can i install a woofer n amp with waja's ori HU?can waja's CD changer support?

no prob at all...

so how much u think d din panel worth? coz i oledi got the d din player n juz want to find the d din panel to fit it in...

got car to test eh hehe.. ur persona oledi boom boom eh hehe

the d.din panel will cost u from rm150 - rm250 to custom it using fibre.
my car just starting...normal only :>

so u can make the d din panel? good, so does it mean i hav to bring my d din player to u to make the d din panel for me? coz i rlly wanna put the d din player into my ride

ur car juz starting eh, rlly? hehe

elo everyone. To answer ur question ultima, i was once a noob in ICE, used RM1200 = a Blaupunkt GTA-480 50W RMS X 4 amp (RM430) bridged to power a pair of 3-way 6x9" Lanzar speakers (RM310) + installation + box for the speakers. Gave me quite a gud blast for a newbie into ICE, my frens said it sounded like a pair of 10" subs.i used to listen linkin park with this set, sounded fine, can blast too. If u can find some cheaper installer, u might get it for less than 1k. I mean this is for beginner setting.

On the later stage, u will wanna get 2 pairs of component speaker, <3 sets of 2-ch amps> or <2 4ch amp> or <1 4 ch amp and a monoblock class D>, 2 12" subs, and a capasitor for the amp to the woofers. To get all from decent brands will cost around 4k including installations. This is very decent for all kinds of music, unless u wanna go pro. If not a normal ICEr will be satisfied with these settings, juz tune it to ur own taste.

Right now i'm still in the intermediate setup, slowly getting the good parts 1 by 1 after i fill my pocket, right now I have a pair of Boston Acoustics 6.5" comp set up front ( really nice sound ), a not too bad sounding taiwan brand 4ch-amp (going to get Vibe Slick A3 or A4 soon), Lanzar 6.5" comp set at the back ( so so onli ), 1 Mystery 1F caps for a korean brand 2ch amp (serves me quite well at the moment) to drive a pair of 12" Alpine imitation woofer ( not too bad ), my SPL can reach around 88-92 dB, SQ from the Boston is great, no complaint, Currently i'm listening to Hip-hop, R&B, pop and instrumentals. This set still satisfy me at the moment. Hope these info will help. Gud luck with finding a system of ur own.

This post has been edited by ckmoy007: Apr 18 2008, 08:16 AM