As per title, after drinking, do you get hangover or withdrawals?

I'm considered a heavy drinker, so much so that Indians and East Malaysians will consider me crazy.

Although I tried to quit drinking many times but old habits hard to die, least I could do now is to reduce it.

For many years now, I don't get hangover, what I get are withdrawals, and it can be quite scary because its a long list of symptoms and can last for days, if not weeks.

If I can get by first few days, then would be okay but if cannot stand the withdrawals, then drinking relapse to feel normal again.

Kesian ts.. poor drinker ...

Me only need 1/2 day to recover from 6 bottles wine or 3 bottles gin or 6 bottles whisky ...


Kesian ts .. quit drinking since u so poor in drinking .

Withdraw? Like this?

define heavy drinker
what do you drink per session of drinking

aahh i remembered when you talked about your alcohol withdrawal before. glad i never experienced it in person despite i did considered myself a heavy binge drinker but not a daily drinker. i was just a casual drinker but when i do drink, i binge a lot. i do however have an uncle and a friend who drink daily and when they don't have their drink, they would shake violently and seizure.

i did however experience withdrawal from heroin and methamphetamine many times already that while their withdrawal isnt as dangerous as alcohol does, you just wish you die.

Long time ago when younger, yeah strong drinker and can recover quickly.

But as I get older, alcohol tolerance took a dip quite a lot.

Alcohol withdrawal is no joke, is only lucky that I have medicine to reduce the symptoms, without it, chances of relapse gets more frequent.

Sometimes can be a big bottle of cheap liquor mixed with orange juice or something.

Sometimes can be up to four cans 18% beer.

Its not so much as how much you drink, its how often, which for my case is daily.

If you drink a lot occasionally, then it won't be a withdrawal.

dey after 3 crates , kita lambada dah dey

Yeah, I have medicine to control the shakes for the first few days, if don't have then I will get seizure already.

Another part I don't like is that during that period, many weird things start to happen, you can hallucinate, mostly at night when you want to sleep.

You start to see, hear or feel things that are not there and also weird dreams.

Puak mabok say I can't get addicted to alcohol because it's not a drug.

They also say 1 teguk 1 hari keep the doctor awat

No go for methadone rehabilitation centre? Any other ways to properly treat the withdrawals?

Thing is, I am not a social drinker, so mostly drink alone, at somewhere quiet.

So I can't consider myself to be a social nuisance due to drinking, is mostly drink so I can fall asleep.

cheap liquor pun berani minum?
tak takut buta ke?

Its the worst form of drug because its so available.

Like medicine I use to control withdrawals, doctors won't give you more than 30 days because they say its addictive.

But even so, I can't say I'm addicted to that medicine, alcohol is worse to me actually.

I drink alone everyday after work to relax and release stress too.. Wait for traffic jam to subside and see Cambodia 4D results.. Nothing wrong if u know the limits.. Don't drink until KO or drunk then cause accident

Drinking is an expensive hobby nowadays

so far nope

but after unker mabuk unker becomes super caring type

until amoi salah sangka at times

Not that cheap, maybe Thaisong or cap kapak.

But yes, I used to frequent liquor store that sells them and also high percentage beer.

After that incident, shops start closing one by one and many stop selling high percentage beer.

i did went to methadone clinic b4 but my heroin addiction was just short stint of my few years in semenanjung so i considered recovered but the one that really got me is actually meth. meth is another level of beast of its own and its everywhere. if you're in recovery mode like me, even looking at shiny specks on the ground or looking at sugar and salt will make you think of meth lol.

what makes it worse is that i am not a smoker of both substances. i IV them straight into the vein which makes my recovery worse than smokers.

yes. after 2 years, i am now addicted to hand sanitisers/equivalent and surface disinfectants.

damned the withdrawal effects.

I'm not sure how hard drugs withdrawals are like but alcohol really upsets my stomach (one of symptoms) and because of that, there are days that I barely eat anything because you end up nausea and vomiting what you eat anyway.

Me too, since alcohol to me is more for calming effect than to cause me to go on a rampage.

ts is big and fat
so considered "heavy drinker"

Think is very likely you will have withdrawal if you go cold turkey now because you drink daily.

Good luck TS on your effort to quit.

Since you said fail many times already, if hardcore install pet door, get caretaker for one week to feed you and lock yourself in cold turkey.

I don't think so.. Sometimes I can don't drink if I have things to do after work.. Going for functions / meetings

I drink a bit everyday after work then go home play PS5

This post has been edited by -PuPu^ZaPruD3r-: Mar 20 2023, 06:23 PM

Stopped drinking heavily almost 20 years ago. Almost everyday for 5 years. No withdrawals.

This one cannot, my only solution would be to warded for one week.

If you isolate yourself like you mention, there is chance I would die. Many celebrities who are heavy drinkers, they did not die because they drink too much, is because they tried to rehab themselves and die from withdrawal.

Cheers TS to Monday blues 🍻

I don't usually drink beer anymore, not strong enough. Even if I do, I spike it with something stronger, maybe like vodka or usually rice wine.

Last time when still have stock, my go to liquor store will sell me 18% beers daily, horrible tasting stuff if not just to get high, would not drink it.

I drink so much on a daily basis that even as a seller and a friend, even he's telling me to stop drinking, that's how bad it is.

Think I have been drinking for past 10 years.

Been drinking on and off during the earlier years, but its during COVID that really hit me hard, and now is a daily thing.

Morning, drink to pick me up. At work, quietly sneak out to drink, some co-workers can even tell that I drink. Night time, drink to sleep.

Withdrawals are horrible, its nothing like hangover. The medicine works similar to drinking to calm your mind, minus the bad effects of drinking, only problem is that you cannot drink and take that medicine at same time.

extra one more beer will cure the hangover,.. true story,...

Might be bad advise on my part so take it with a grain of salt, but if you have this kind of thought it'll be hard to quit, since you'll pat yourself in the back if you fail because atleast you didn't die, right?

For example the fatties in US justified their obesity because a portion of the population can have biological makeup that makes it easier to put on weight, so they're selfdiagnosing themselves as such.

Its not entirely hard to quit, alcohol is a coping mechanism, meditation, exercise all are coping mechanism. Its just that alcohol is the easy way out.

Using the medicine (benzodiazepines) for alcohol withdrawal, if I can maintain taking it for at least 7-10 days, there is a good chance that I can quit totally. But that is assuming nothing stress me to go back to my usual coping mechanism, and live with a healthier way of coping.

For now, I still never even go near to 7 days, usually just 3 days. That medicine is required because once you're off alcohol, your body will go crazy as your mind starts to normalize without alcohol.

Withdrawal is not limited to just alcohol, can be anything that affects the brain; can be coffee, energy drinks, or most addictive substance, sugar.

I made this thread just as my reminder, if I keep silent and not admit its something bad for me, then recovery will be more difficult.

Drink yomeishu

Yesn't

If it affects your health, work and social life, I don't see the point of continuing this path even if the withdrawals are a bitch.

Have you tried professional rehab or something? You need medical help.

Withdrawals are no joke, people underestimate this.

Its one of the most dangerous and openly abused substance in this world.

Hope more people can open their eyes and understand the danger of this drug.

There is no clear answer as to why I am continuing this path even when I know at back of my head its bad for me.

Affect health, yes definitely feeling it. Work, not quite I'm considered as a functioning alcoholic and actually better as my focus is sharper (if you know when to stop, anything more, it goes downhill). Social life, say with my parents, yes.

This is one of those things that cannot be lectured, my parents are worried and have asked me to stop many times, but why I say it cannot be lectured because, you get frustrated/stressed up with it, and you go back to your happy place again.

Right now I'm just tapering (reduce) to hopefully at some point to be totally stop and be sober. Going cold turkey can potentially kill you, this is coming from me who have experienced almost 90% of symptoms, except delirium tremens.

I'm also creating awareness that drinking comes with its consequences, which I think many here that drinking will only lead to traffic accidents or killing your body, alcohol withdrawal is not something that is discussed a lot in /k.

Unfortunately no, I don't have time for professional rehab, but I get your point.

Yup, withdrawals from alcohol, I've read about it countless times but somehow still back to square one.

I have medicine used to treat alcohol abuse, because part of withdrawal is insomnia and when you try to sleep but you can't, that 6-8 hours it can feel like forever, and you have to wake up tired and go to work. Its not quite sleeping medicine, but off label use for insomnia.

As for medical help, yes I've seen a psychiatrist but its for my insomnia, to which is partly caused from drinking. Prescribed antidepressant, did not help much, one that I have is more effective but it was not prescribed because in initial assessment, there is mention of drinking.

Psychiatrist told although one that I have is more effective, but once you mix it with drinking (its between the pill or drinking), you'll have weird lucid dreams, which is actually true.

True. This can't be lectured. I stopped because I was hospitalized with acute pancreatitis when I was in college so I had no choice.

seriously drug like heroin n meth withdrawal experience not as dangerous as alcohol?

btw people who recover from drug like meth must be really strong willed

Used to drink everyday except Friday and one time 6 cans at least, highest 15 cans , don't count all those one night mix beer/wine/whisky, it's normal for me.

But I try to drink less on Thursday and let myself has a peaceful Friday , then continue weekend


One fine day I just stop drinking, then one week one can, next week drink more etc

Yeah, I've always thought that first thing to go is liver, cirrhosis then death. But when I got to know someone who drinks a lot instantly died due to pancreatitis, it never crossed my mind.

I have been for medical checkup, they say my liver enzymes are extremely high, other than that all readings are strangely normal.

Its not very often that it happens but since drinking upsets the stomach, I end up vomiting every time I wake up, at first I thought its acid reflux, no surprise there because I have bad stomach due to bad eating habits when younger.

That's until my vomit is greenish yellow, I did not see a doctor about it, but from what I can tell its bile reflux. So yeah, hopefully, eventually I will give up drinking totally.

You sure you heavier than me?

been drinking 500ml long can beer about 4-6 cans per day with mixture of 12% strong.
never skip a day since 5-6 years ago

I remember during COVID I lost my job, then cannot go out of course. So became very distressed, bought usual box of 24 cans, did not even last me more than 2 days. Same goes for 1 liter of vodka, did not even last more than 2 days.

Thing is about me and drinking, if have to consider quitting, have to totally quit already. I have quit many times but once start even with just one can, it will slowly creep and becomes a routine and back to same problem, become more than just one can eventually.

to stop drinking, put away your money

12% beer is still acceptable, mine would be 18% beer, 4 cans a day, sometimes can even be 5-6 cans.

I used to say about how much I can drink, barely any issues but since I've had withdrawals, I don't feel its worth it to have that title anymore.

I think 16% right?

Usually my fav is 8% or skol strong 9%. If no stock, then i go for 12%

12% and above taste are awful, cut a slice of lemon and drink. Less smell and can restore some health too

Btw, if you know cheap supplier tell me. I want buy in bulk lolx

Do you have gout btw?

Not as simple as that, during COVID I had no job and lesser money as it progresses and I turn to drinking to forget my troubles.

There are news article showing that drinking shoot up during COVID in comparison to before COVID, for obvious reasons.

I don't drink as much as during COVID, but have to put an end to my daily drinking.

drink only when you're happy. when you're depressed, go and beat up grass

my own way of quiting alcohol. stopped beer in 2016, spirits in 2018, wine reduced from 3-4 bottles a week in 2020 to half a bottle a week today, or less. quit one type of alcohol every 2 years. if you have the will, you can do it. good luck

why must write indian? you wanna challenge indian izzit?

Not sure if have gout, never checked.

There's 12%, 16% and my usual 18% last time, now no more stock.
https://untappd.com/b/united-dutch-brewerie.../2107589/photos


Not major supplier but can buy in bulk if you tell you want a lot. This is only one I know left that still sell.


I've seen some go as high as 19% but really awful stuff, don't think any lemon will help you.

But I usually go for these high % beers because they are so high, its not taxed as beer; more towards liquor so its usually cheaper than 5% beers.

You maybe healthy now, alcohol is harmless at small amounts but its deceptive as you're essentially having a slow death without even realizing.

Drink bittergourd juice

Because Indian are among the strongest drinkers I know aside from East Malaysians.

I don't want to challenge Indian, I don't need to show I can drink a lot anymore.

FYI, I was talking to an Indian uncle trying to open a bottle of vodka, so I helped him open.

Only in better lighting later I saw his face. Whites of his eyes are yellow, its sign of jaundice, onset to have liver failure. Soon his skin will turn yellow, but hard to tell because of darker skin.

So no, I don't want to challenge.

yes they arent since heroin works on mainly endorphins and also dopamine and serotonin while meth works mainly on the dopamine and norepinephrine, to the lesser extent serotonin brain site. alcohol however works on the brain's GABA receptors which regulates your seizure threshold. If you continuously drink alcohol, your brain gets used to the presence of alcohol for downregulation of the brains electricity so without the presence of alcohol, if you stopped suddenly your brain goes into shock and haywire.

Gout = Severe leg pain due to uric acid. If youre frequent drinker & have sudden leg pain till can't walk, most likely is gout

That shop is it indian liquor shop? But is a bit too far from my place....

To me 5% also feel no rasa already. But i still stock up 2 carlton of 500ml Thai beer every month for casual drink. For booster, need 9% to achieve my target

So far i bought 500ml can is RM8 . Usually i bought 10 cans and go restock every 2-3 days

For frequent drinker, try drink celery juice & apple cider to combat for healthier. At least can help a bit. Also exercise at least 10 min daily

I used to be heavy drinker..now i drink 1 day KO 2 days

u will stop drinking when your liver about to dead

Think no gout if so, maybe cannot feel it because pain is numbed by alcohol.

Most liquor shops I go to are run by Indians, that shop is my daily port and I know the guy. But it been awhile since I go there nowadays. If you his regular, he can probably sell you RM8/can.

For me, it's already sign that I have to stop drinking completely and currently taking silymarin to heal my liver. Years of abuse already put it in bad shape and I get bruises easily at one point, I checked this is due to liver already not functioning properly, but since it's not end stage, it can still heal over few months.

It is possible, but very difficult.

If you're poor, no family or society support, it's very easy to go back because you're surrounded with the same mindset ppl.

It's a never ending cycle.

There's also non-alcoholic fatty liver disease lah. Not necessary drinking is only cause, but excessive drinking will add more burden to liver for sure.

fat fuck drinker

i quit drinking when i come back to Malaysia as it is damn expensive. Lucky not to have any withdrawal symptoms then, although i developed gout later which stays with me until now.

even now when i can afford to drink i still need to resist with some efforts. Quit drinking and smoking for more then 20yrs but the urge is still there and more so when meeting with old buddies who still do.

Quitting is not easy and requires constant effort.

I think naturally withdrawals are there to make you not want to go back to drinking, but unfortunately is also reason why many decide to go back drinking because withdrawal is really hard to handle for few days.

If lucky to get through the week, then it gets easier; if not then in some severe cases, death.

Last night was my last drink, after that I take medicine to slow down withdrawals and also help me sleep, but to no gain; did not get any sleep at all (insomnia), feverish and sweating like crazy. Not to mention body nervous system are getting used to no alcohol and you get misfiring of signal and body moves on its own, even if you don't intend to and shakes.

Gout think not too bad I think, for me I get pins and needles all over my body, so like my thigh can feel like something poking even though nothing is poking, is just the nervous system makes you think, quite annoying as you get the poking sensation when you sleep.

But I think it will be much easier to handle once I pass day 4.

I'm taking silymarin too via iherb, and also other natural anti inflammatory vege/fruit.

If you had gout, you will feel even more pain even with the numbness. Gout is the strongest form of osteoarthritis.

So today how many you drink lol?

Im taking my last 5th can now and soon gonna sleep.

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Try the Tapering Method to gradually wean off alcohol addiction or other addiction.

Or try prescription sleeping pills from an "understanding" GP Clinic Dr (not the weaker anti-anxiety or anti-seizure pills like clonazepam) to replace your alcohol addiction because benzodiazepines are mostly excreted through the kidneys, not liver. Thereafter, try the Tapering Method. Otherwise, last resort is to remain on sleeping-pills-addiction or hard liquor-addiction, which should be cheaper than drinking 4 cans of 18%-beer daily.

To me, substance-addicts like alcoholics, chain-smokers, coffee-drinkers, drug-addicts, etc, with damaged or altered brains, are not very different from Type 2 diabetes patients with damaged pancreas who are dependent on prescribed insulin or metfomin daily for the rest of their lives. Otherwise, they too will suffer from the horrible "withdrawal symptoms" of hyperglycaemia.

Note that excessive dosage like drunkenness and ecstasy/mania should be avoided.

P S - Afaik, alcohol is eliminated from the body at the rate of about 15mg/100mL/hour. So, you need 2 cans of beer or 1 glass of wine or 1 small cup/shot of brandy/vodka/whiskey to get alcohol's calming effects, which will then last for about 6 hours.
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Stopped for 3 days with benzo to lessen withdrawal, yesterday and today continue my usual drinking, just one day of drinking already put me off into withdrawal. Not as bad but tomorrow continue with stop drinking + benzo. Benzo takes time to work but can be drowsy during daytime so, best is to start first 3 days (Friday-Sunday).

Yeah, did some reading, I don't think I have gout since I don't feel anything wrong with my big toe (not sure why it targets that part first). Have not done much reading on arthritis in general but I do know alcohol is a cause and I have stiff joints, particularly fingers.

But I do feel much better after just 3 days, probably full abstinence after this if possible.

drink all this in 1 sitting and not get poisoned?

soli, 4get /k is tokek. my bad

Tapering is apply to all types of withdrawal but usually difficult because relapse can happen.

I've tried specific sleeping pills like Zolpidem, antidepressant like Mirtazapine (prescribed); none as effective as benzo. What you say about beers cost is accurate, I roughly spend about RM32+/day just to sleep on beers, but RM2/day on benzo (don't ask me where I get it), but I'm not dependent on benzo because have developed some tolerance and I don't intend to use it more than a stopgap for withdrawal symptoms.

To your PS, my tolerance is still high, so it takes a lot to get me drunk. But what is stopping me from wanting to continue is that you can literally feel your liver physically to tell you stop, you won't feel it when you continue drinking but as you stop, you can feel physical pain at your liver for sure.

This post has been edited by mee udang: Mar 23 2023, 01:00 PM

careful man. alcohol has kindling effect, the worst among all GABAergic drugs where the more withdrawal you goes through, the worse and severe it could get. if i were you, i would apply leave and go for medical detox.

Thanks. Yeah, I was informed by a doctor friend who I confide with, saying there is a kindling effect whereby withdrawals gets closer as I come out from each withdrawal and I experience it, very true.

Probably have to go into abstinence for months or years to go back to normal.

yeah you really need long term abstinence. if you crave that good feeling, consider other alternative like kratom perhaps???

but kratom is very addictive itself and the withdrawal is physically excruciating and painful itself but not dangerous. kratom is basically a herbal heroin lol but much more mild and safer.

Me only need 1/2 day to recover from 6 bottles wine AND 3 bottles gin AND 6 bottles whisky

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First, some background info about substance-addiction.

Afaik, psychotropic drugs are analogues or copycats/mimics/imitations of our naturally-produced brain-neurotransmitters, eg dopamine, serotonin, endorphin, melatonin, acetyl choline, adenosine, GABA, etc = natural stimulants and sedatives.
....... In nature, our brain produces more stimulant-neurotransmitters in the morning and day time, eg dopamine and acetyl choline = prepare for work to earn a living; ... and produces more sedative-neurotransmitters at night, eg GABA, serotonin, melatonin and endorphin(= painkiller) = prepare for sleep.

If a psychotropic drug has been consumed daily and excessively for about 1 month or more, eg to get high/euphoric or calm/relaxed, the brain reacts by stopping to produce or produce too little of its own neurotransmitters that had been mimicked/copied/imitated = the body's negative feedback response = the person becomes addicted or dependent on the psychotropic drug to function normally mentally, otherwise the drug addict will suffer horrible withdrawal symptoms, eg Delirium Tremens for alcoholics, anxiety, depression, insomnia, muscle spasms, paranoia, hallucination, delusion, etc. = addict's brain is damaged or altered.

Excessive levels of these artificial stimulating neurotransmitters give euphoria/high or super-coolness/calmnness, energy, confidence, fearlessness/anxiolytic, etc. Eg meth addicts can stay awake, high and energized for 3 to 5 days straight to go night-clubbing, womanizing, etc and then can sleep for 24 hours straight.

IOW, once addicted, the drug-addicts should remain on their drugs or replacement drugs but consumed in moderation, in order to stave off the horrible withdrawal symptoms which can kill, eg brain stroke from Delirium Tremens = to prolong life. It is not advisable for them to stop their drug intake or "medication". This does not discount miraculous/divine cure of drug addiction from high above.
....... Addiction is expensive and not good for health in the long term, eg cigarette tar will slowly damage the lungs, alcohol will slowly damage the liver and meth will slowly damage the brain.

Drug addicts can try the tapering method of treatment, eg half dose for 1 week, quarter dose for another week, 1/8 dose for the 3rd week and 0 dose thereafter. This is to try to rehabilitate the brain to restart producing its own natural neurotransmitters sufficiently.

Replacing heroin addiction with ketum addiction is a practical and cheap solution to this "medical" problem of drug addiction. Similarly, in USA, hospitals prescribe methadone to addicts of cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine, etc as a medical treatment or replacement.

If the Malaysian government allows the consumption of alcohol and cigarette-smoking, she should also allow the consumption of ketum and methadone as a medical treatment for drug-addicts.
....... So, drug addicts should be treated as mental patients and not as criminals. Less potent drugs should be made legal, like for cigarettes and alcohol.

Of course, it is better not to be addicted to any psychotropic drugs in the first place, eg certain religions prohibit alcohol, cigarettes, coffee/tea and drugs. In nature, humans usually do not need psychotropic drugs to live or function normally, except for medical treatment after a calamity or health incident, eg chronic pain from a minor injury or for transient insomnia due to jetlag or stress or shift-work.

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So, alcohol and benzo-pills are both sedatives which can replace each other wrt addiction and withdrawal.

https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support...benzodiazepines - Comparing benzodiazepines
Generally, short-acting benzodiazepines are used as sleeping pills and long-acting benzodiazepines are used for anxiety.

If you drink that all by yourself and one time event, I give you clap. If shared and with drinking snacks, food dampens effects of withdrawal, try it to do it daily then you will understand my nightmare.

Maybe you young can tahan now, but once past 30, not sure if you can say same.

My advice in this thread is to pass awareness that drinking is not wrong but don't abuse it, occasionally okay, if everyday, you're in trouble when you stop, I did abuse and regret later on.

Much appreciated for your information.

Yeah, I'm tapering down because I know going cold turkey might kill me. Problem is that in Asia, mental health conditions are not well understood, so even if you have alcohol abuse disorder or any mental health issues, they label you as unfit for work. So most just avoid and go to work with a fake smile.

Honestly, as you say, if I was not involved in psychotropic (for me limited to alcohol only), I would have lived a better life but beer is liquid courage.



But you do have a good point, only getting point of a more healthy coping method of stress than alcohol is a challenge for many, me included. Its a struggle but trying to stop is better than nothing.

This post has been edited by mee udang: Mar 23 2023, 02:00 PM

what do you feel if u stop drinking for 1 day?

not my personal experience but i have seen my alcoholic uncle and friend shakes like this when they dont havr their drink for that day.

my uncle is lifelong alcoholic and he's already in his late 60s lol. i mean i am surprised that he lived that long.

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Note that even though alcohol and benzo-pills help a patient fall into deep sleep by calming the mind/brain, it can also disrupt REM or Dream sleep later in the night = may need to take the "medication" again in the middle of the night. .......

https://sleephub.com.au/medications-and-sleep/ - 10 Aug 2015
"Benzodiazepines – Drugs such as diazepam (Valium) and temazepam (Temaze) are in this class. They can be used for short-term treatment of anxiety, and are also used to treat insomnia. Whilst these drugs can help with sleep, they can have negative effects on sleep patterns, reducing REM and N3 non-REM sleep, so don’t always result in people feeling better throughout the day."

https://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/news/...alcohol-sleep#1 - Alcohol and a Good Night's Sleep Don't Mix - 22 Jan 2013
"A new review of 27 studies shows that alcohol does not improve sleep quality. According to the findings, alcohol does allow healthy people to fall asleep quicker and sleep more deeply for a while, but it reduces rapid eye movement (REM) sleep."
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So far this did not happen to me but in between transition between alcohol withdrawal to benzo, I don't know what is correct timing but you either fall into a very deep sleep if very drunk, if only near drunk, you going to get very very weird dreams. Its very hard to explain how the dream is but normal dreams, you wake up with no memories of said dream; but if you on withdrawal, expect lucid/vivid dreams. How to explain is the dreams are so real, you are "awake" in the dream and can control anything.

Because you are in that "awake" state, you get bad sleep, and have had dreams where it feels so real it messes with your mind that what you dream is real. Fortunately I can differentiate it now, initially not so.

What superbike show is true, but I don't want to be at that level, this one really need hospital help to taper down or they die.

As for your question to stop 1 day, almost every AWS (alcohol withdrawal symptoms) except the last 5-10%.

Chills, excessive sweating, mild fever (body hotter than usual), tremors, insomnia (guaranteed).

Next is weird dreams, hallucination (you see, touch, hear things that are not there), by extension crawling feeling on skin from something that is not there.

If you get pass 3-7 days, you're okay but first 3 days is tough.

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Alcohol sedates or slows-down the brain/mind to produce calmness or relaxation, same as the action of more natural GABA being produced at night in normal people to prepare their brain/mind and body for sleep.

Afaik, drunkenness from excessive alcohol consumption equates to the brain and body having been completely shutdown like in a coma, ie not the normal deep sleep of about 4 hours (and then REM/Dreamy sleep for about 2 hours). Hence, drunk people at pubs/bars also cannot walk properly before they pass out.

I was referring to non-drunkenness, ie drinking alcohol just enough (eg 2 cans of 5%-beer or 1 glass of 14%-wine) to calm the brain/mind for sleep, which then can disrupt REM/Dreamy sleep later, ie after deep sleep.

Yes, withdrawal symptoms are often very weird, eg paranoia, hallucination, delusion, etc, even during sleep = an over-active brain/mind.
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Yup, I am no doctor but I can associate that my brain just like go into overdrive after I remove alcohol because its a suppressant of brain activity.

In contrast energy drink or coffee its a stimulant, also affects brain activity and as brain tries to go back to normal levels, it starts to cause withdrawal.

I did not purposely quit coffee or energy drink but one time I drink more than one Redbull, my hands was shaking, so I quit.

Only last hurdle is anything alcohol.

If anyone want to drink to their death, is their choice but I've been to the far end and its not a good feeling.

It's all the mindset. I've been drinking everyday, never missed a single day even i infected with covid last year, this has been more than 5-6 years till now.
On 2019, i went to ordain temporarily in temple, i can easily stop drink for 15 days. Not even think of alcohol or have any withdrawal symptom.

But the moment i step out of temple, that night itself my routine continues...

My body also hinted me many times to stop, but i find another alternative to take natural anti inflammatory or detox to recover the health. I think somehow it helps.

Am im on 2nd 12% today, probably gonna take last 5% thai beer then sleep around 1am. so today 3 cans only. Feel quite tired due to work lolx

Yes, its in the mind, maybe you don't drink at temple because your mind is not under duress and relaxed so sleep comes easily, those who have insomnia from drinking (me) is susceptible to having bad experience replay when sleeping (hence insomnia), so you had less desire to drink at temple but if you go to psychiatrist they will ask if you have craving, which I think you still do.

Its the mind that controls the body and when you start total sobering, then everything goes crazy for few days. If you continuously drink, you won't have any withdrawal, most likely just die from pancreatitis or cirrhosis.

I'm not bound by religion against drinking, its just my experience as a whole to understand that its short term good feeling but in long term, I can say that its not worth it.

I will close this thread for now, I will reopen once I reach 100 day sobriety. Thanks to everyone in /k.