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post Mar 18 2023, 04:48 PM, updated 3 months ago

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No need for blanket ban on church, temple visit, says interfaith group

The group says under the constitution, without any propagation involved, the act of visiting a non-Muslim house of worship was not an offence.

PETALING JAYA: An interfaith group has called on the government and Islamic authorities not to impose a blanket ban on Muslims from visiting non-Muslim places of worship.

Instead, the Malaysian Consultative Council of Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism and Taoism (MCCBCHST) suggested that authorities make it clear that there should not be any attempts to propagate other faiths to Muslims.

The council was responding to the Selangor government’s recent move in prohibiting Muslims from entering non-Muslim houses of worship.

Selangor religious affairs exco Zawawi Ahmad Mughni was reported to have said that while Selangor welcomed programmes organised by NGOs to foster tolerance, such activities should adhere to guidelines set by the Selangor Islamic religious department (Jais).


He added that Jais will monitor and take action against those who violate this rule under Sections 5 and 6 of the Non-Islamic Religions (Control of Propagation Among Muslims) Enactment.

However, MCCBCHST said these programmes aim to foster an understanding of different cultures and involve zero propagation of religion.

It also said that the enactment cited by Zawawi was enacted under Article 11(4) of the Federal Constitution which only prohibits the propagation of any religious doctrine or belief among persons professing the religion of Islam.

The group said if there was no propagation of other faiths to Muslims, then there would be no offence committed.


“Therefore, the mere act of visiting a (non-Muslim) house of worship cannot be an offence,” it said in a statement.

Two days ago, former religious affairs minister Zulkifli Al-Bakri – who had visited churches, temples and gurdwaras in the past – called for guidelines on visits to houses of worship to foster greater harmony among Malaysians.

Link: https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...terfaith-group/
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post Mar 18 2023, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(aBg_rOnGak @ Mar 18 2023, 05:27 PM)
Kelakar...bukan Islam nak bercakap benda berkaitan hukum Islam.

Kalau ada mesyuarat/perjumpaan, berlindung daripada bencana/peperangan, lawatan yg ada tujuan khas yang tidak dapat dielakkan, dibolehkan.

Tapi kalau sekadar melawat untuk tengok-tengok, melancong, tidak boleh.

Kat Malaysia ni, yang bukan Islam selalu menyibuk perkara-perkara berkaitan Islam. Teringat dulu mendiang Samy Vellu pun boleh kata kat orang Islam "kafir".
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Ko ni ada baca ke tidak?

Orang cakap pasal perlembagaan boleh pulak ko pusing sampai jadi nons ajar muslim pasal hukum islam

sombong tu boleh, tapi buat betul-betul lah

lapas tu satu lagi

negeri berbeza, undang-undang berbeza, faham ke x

macam pulak versi awak yang paling betul

jangan sebab perbezaan politik lupa perlembagaan ya

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post Mar 18 2023, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(aBg_rOnGak @ Mar 18 2023, 05:27 PM)
Kelakar...bukan Islam nak bercakap benda berkaitan hukum Islam.

Kalau ada mesyuarat/perjumpaan, berlindung daripada bencana/peperangan, lawatan yg ada tujuan khas yang tidak dapat dielakkan, dibolehkan.

Tapi kalau sekadar melawat untuk tengok-tengok, melancong, tidak boleh.

Kat Malaysia ni, yang bukan Islam selalu menyibuk perkara-perkara berkaitan Islam. Teringat dulu mendiang Samy Vellu pun boleh kata kat orang Islam "kafir".
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Yg kelakar nampaknya u. Yg kelakar tiba2 u bawa hukum Islam.
Yg kelakar dulu tiada ban sini ban sana. Kelakar kalau orang islam dulu 1900 bangun Dari kubur Dan nampak orang Islam di Malaysia skrg dah jadi tidak toleransi Dan tidak dapat berinteraksi dgn kaum lain Dan sudah berfikiran sempit, kebelakangan. Janganlah jadi macam Taliban. Lihatlah keadaan disitu. I harap Malaysia suatu hari tidak akan jadi macam tu. Habis seluruh negara. Ramai akan kesusahan.
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post Mar 18 2023, 08:04 PM

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Where is the custodian of Islam on this matter 🤦‍♀️

Those who are interfering now are just being played the political game
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post Mar 18 2023, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(aBg_rOnGak @ Mar 18 2023, 05:27 PM)
Kelakar...bukan Islam nak bercakap benda berkaitan hukum Islam.

Kalau ada mesyuarat/perjumpaan, berlindung daripada bencana/peperangan, lawatan yg ada tujuan khas yang tidak dapat dielakkan, dibolehkan.

Tapi kalau sekadar melawat untuk tengok-tengok, melancong, tidak boleh.

Kat Malaysia ni, yang bukan Islam selalu menyibuk perkara-perkara berkaitan Islam. Teringat dulu mendiang Samy Vellu pun boleh kata kat orang Islam "kafir".
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What if there is an event inside Church which can benefit Muslim if they attend ?

For example, got a few Church members who are experience teacher want to give free SPM seminar inside Church, it is open to all races and religion to attend.

The Church can't afford to rent outside place and thus it is held inside the Church.

Can Muslims join the event ? There will be no religious stuff during the event. 100% SPM Seminar.
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post Mar 18 2023, 08:25 PM

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You know many human on earth talking all nonsense whole their life. This country in constitution stated cannot leave your religion. Why on earth still many bodo people living in caves? How you leave your religion like this then tell their own people cannot visit? Not sure which school those people study until become retarded?
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post Mar 19 2023, 01:54 AM

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QUOTE(king99 @ Mar 18 2023, 08:10 PM)
What if there is an event inside Church which can benefit Muslim if they attend ?

For example, got a few Church members who are experience teacher want to give free SPM seminar inside Church, it is open to all races and religion to attend.

The Church can't afford to rent outside place and thus it is held inside the Church.

Can Muslims join the event ? There will be no religious stuff during the event. 100% SPM Seminar.
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Of course can. But if possible, try other place. some "hardcore" and not really knowledgeable Muslim might get "offended"
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post Mar 19 2023, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(aBg_rOnGak @ Mar 19 2023, 01:54 AM)
Of course can. But if possible, try other place. some "hardcore" and not really knowledgeable Muslim might get "offended"
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What to be offended lol ?

No one forces them to attend the event also. If you are not comfortable attending the seminar inside Church , then don't go ?
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post Mar 19 2023, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(king99 @ Mar 19 2023, 10:58 AM)
What to be offended lol ?

No one forces them to attend the event also. If you are not comfortable attending the seminar inside Church , then don't go ?
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Close minded like PuAS might lol
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post Mar 19 2023, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(aBg_rOnGak @ Mar 19 2023, 01:54 AM)
Of course can. But if possible, try other place. some "hardcore" and not really knowledgeable Muslim might get "offended"
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So schools with the church names such as Convent, Methodist etc still halal to go or not

Quite a number of pemimpin melayu islam went to such schools
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Mar 19 2023, 02:44 PM)
So schools with the church names such as Convent, Methodist etc still halal to go or not

Quite a number of pemimpin melayu islam went to such schools
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That, I'm not sure. Knowledge not high enough

 

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