Please discuss..

yes, total waste of money

How to differentiate cap ayam product/service?

my ISO image file converter is free apps,.. no need to pay,..

Sorry, i dont mean those big conglomerate, i mean for medium to small size businesses.
A little research into the certification that its quite expensive to maintain.

Not really.

I find it useful

Please elaborate, im taking perspective from a construction service business.

It's just a scam.

Even those big big companies don't actually practise their ISO SOPs.

Then 1 month before renew, do all "fake" documents to show auditor to pass.

SOPS said need proper DO, some even just use receipt from books bought at bookstore. And yes these are big big huge companies.

Not cheap to maintain, and price suka suka hantam, not regulated whatsoever...

Agree, damn true.

If u have a system in place, then will have clear sop for every process to follow… easier for internal process with clear flow

If u want do biz with MNCs
The supply chain mgr usually survey for few potential suppliers
If basic ISO9001 pun tak ada… dont dream get this biz lo

If u are hardcore chinaman sdn bhd
Then waste of money
Kekwa

This is no longer true, last time yes.

now you think supply chain easy to find?

Don't like find others, then die die end up go back to those without ISO, due to cannot find supply,

What kind of resources require to maintain such certification?

Isn't the delivery final product / services matters most? Also the profile & experience of a service provider.

Depends on your scope pf work.

Usually it starts from incoming all the way to outgoing...purchasing...delivery...packing...

You need ask your auditor for advise.

But since most just want money, hantam you big big quotation, then train you 3-4 weeks, then depends on you can cope or not.

its just another excuse for iso trainers to peddle their no problem kita bikin problem kind of training

Its true, the quotation is quite hefty

Depend which biz sector u in
Oil n gas, semicon ISO9001 is minimum
Automotive TS
Aerospace AS

When ayam was SQE decades ago
Ayam always disqualify suppliers who dont have ISO
Used to be the hardcore lead auditor annoying every bosses
Kekwa

The quotation is for training is it?

Then 1st year certification is expensive, 2nd and 3rd is cheap, maybe 50% or less, then you start all over again on 4th year.

Merry go round of nonsense.

Nowadays account system damm powerful, example Autocount, everything is recorded inside and easy to use.

yes got minimum, but nowadays unless you are the Main con supporting to customer, you don't need it.

Since many sub cons down the pyramid.

I supply to Aerospace MRO, and I don't have ISO or AS or that what IATF ?

This post has been edited by NautilusBW: Mar 5 2023, 01:47 PM

Its like kopi O lesen, the auditor quote for RMxx but they will handle everything. Still, every year few K's.