Is this "growing" trend just for show?

LOOK AT almost any skyscraper that’s been proposed in the last decade or so, and you might notice a budding trend.

They all have trees on them – and it all seemed to start with the controversial high-rises in Milan - Bosco Verticale.

Now, green-covered towers aren’t just meant to stand out like giant chia pets across drab glass and concrete skylines. Vertical forests like this aim to improve our cities by cutting CO2, providing shade, attracting wildlife and even improving our mental health.

But when you take off the rose-coloured glasses, just how green are these green skyscrapers? How is vegetation even maintained so high above the ground? And if it’s such a no-brainer why doesn’t every new building look like this?

It’s time to dig up the truth under these forests in the sky.

Full story here - https://www.theb1m.com/video/why-architects...es-on-buildings

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This post has been edited by Epci: Mar 2 2023, 01:47 AM

Fresh air & good chi, fengsui?

because skyscraper nowadays looks too boring?
more different designs is good

I think is something to do with complying to city planning requirements.

Architects being architects

reduce the temperature of the building

save electricity

fresh air n reduce temperature

just architect doing their things ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

personally though i rather they keep it trimmed / organized like some sky/roof top garden instead. Milan Bosco one tbh kinda messy apocalypse feel.

Got tree on building not good meh?

but who maintain them?

heat absorption/dissipation I guess, if done properly ok la.

They need so much water to maintain. Is it really environmentally friendly??

Tugas saya setakat lukis aje, mana la saya tahu trim pokok semua. Itu tugas tukang kebun yang professional.

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Mar 2 2023, 07:32 AM

I tot arkitek suppose to know the technical details and feasibility?
Cause my flat there, got neibor komplen water leaking from my unit. He is downstairs.
He said he is arkitek. Konlanfirm is my unit problem. Ask to pay for damage

Why not? Green is good

why?...easy

to lower the temperature of the building and it's surrounding
that way, u save on energy bills too

What is konlanfirm is that you are liable for damages, not because he is an arkitek but that is the law.

However I can reassure you this, after paying for all necessary works to rectify the leak, do not be surprise if the leakage is still taking place.

Those who talk cock knew very little on how construction works. For info, whenever there is a development, there is major destruction of the environment that most couldn't see or even bother to do so.

Know how to destroy environment then compensate a bit lor.... Its for the future. Else when all your surroundings like are all processed wood, zincs or concrete structure only.

So you must be an expert in the construction industry ?

remember how UPM didn't want "Pertanian" in their name

what kinda conception in that agriculture is deemed mundur

Green is Good

No, at least much more knowledgeable.

Building with plant is hard to maintain.

Those who has flat roofs will know the nightmare of water leaking and invasive roots in drainage system.

nampak cantik...tapi....serangga and maintenance ?...

plant roots erode concrete structures....good lucky there...

Once I watched the documentary from sinkie. The rooftop garden can reduce the temperature significantly

Destroying nature with with excavators is way easier but constructing a modern, high rise building is way harder as well.

Didn't see construction halted also?

Ok since you have more knowledge, please share with us here on how the construction industry has resolve the problems with rooting system ?

i worry the humidity and mosquito/insect issue... also water drainage and mold issue...

I'm no expert but any plants will absorb carbon dioxide and convert it to breatheable oxygen for us.

Looking at green color is said to improve mental health. If you go to Tokyo, all you see is gray color of buildings,, from urban perspective is good but very depressing.

This post has been edited by mee udang: Mar 2 2023, 08:50 AM

If you ask me, basically nothing.

Reasons of root damage is pretty simple - planting heavy trees with powerful rooting system but do not have the space for growth or the reinforced concrete to withstand the load was insufficient to begin with.

to breed mosquito

The tree root can hold the structure together to make it stronger against quake.

Nice to see, Very good for environment but if no take care become dried and brown will look like abandon building

At least they did not disturb your house.

If the developer plant the wrong type of trees/plants, the roots will crack the building structure causing lots of water leakage... this will only happen after developer warranty period...

Good for nyamuk to live also.

if maintenance shit how

yeah, thanks for that. good luck to the residents there

Once concrete cracks under roots and water sip into the concrete structure, the steel bars inside will rust, the structure is no longer safe as the fundamental strength of the concrete is compromised.

The cracks caused by the plants no need to be big crack, even microscopic cracks are enough for water to sip through and ruin the concrete over time.

If every concrete cracks so easily, most elevated roads are in grave danger now.

The keyword is always design, then workmanship....

archi's idea is engineer's nightmare

Do they plant many trees on the elevated roads though?

Concrete's main witness is the steel bars inside must be protected against moisture and water, moisture and water will cause the steel bars to rust, rusted steel bars will expand and crack the cement, hence the concrete structure is compromised.

Architect is not botanist, they knew little of the plants that they will put there, most probably the developer will chose nice looking plant without in depth knowledge of the plant. Since planting on concrete structure is a new trend, there will be lots of mistakes these expert "architect" will learn over the years, so be ready to become the lab rats of planted building...

maintenance brapa?

they chop the tress to build the building , so have to put trees back .

to attract mosquito

im more interested to know whether the root of these trees can penetrate into the concrete and inflict micro-crack on the primary structure...

... and many other creepy crawlers....

Even birds may come and shit everywhere...

Cantik apa. I guess if it starts to attract bugs and insects it would be a nuisance.

The maintenance going to be a nightmare
Especially when the building got olders

Not just the plants but also the bugs and insect that comes with it

because of GBI bullshit, and somehow that also become a reason can charge rent office more.

kahkhakah

when roots of trees destroy the building time to buy another unit = profit!

Dynamic loads (i.e. loads that are constantly changing and) are actually way detrimental on reinforced concrete than any tree roots induced pressure. Swimming pools, although do not have dynamic loads, are exposed sun and water pressure that is more immense than moisture from earth. Nevertheless, with proper design consideration and safety factor, effects can be reduced to insignificant.

That is why design consideration is important when it comes to trees. Not sure about other countries, but Malaysia always skimp or overlook on the rc design when it comes to planting trees. In example, common in residential condos to have 600mm depth structure for earth and trees (which imo isn't enough for bigger trees). Concrete's main purpose is to resist compression, while rebars for tension. Both of these elements work together, any lacking of either both will cause cracks due to tension or compression 'failure'. With proper design and workmanship, concrete can be watertight and movement resistant - but that also depends on the whole structure movement as well, as highrises have movements.

Landscape architect is do actually help in trees rooting issue (i.e giving info on each tree's so-called maximum weight and root length for S.O's and structural engineer design consideration). Having plants in structures actually had been encouraged and practiced here over a decade ago, its only the requirement of landscape experts that is quite new....

What still surprises me is that reinforced concrete structure was said not to able to withstand the power of tree roots, which could spell out design error. Also botanist may know how to maintain a plant on normal ground, not necessarily on space tight structures.

Nope, not worth it. Have to put in extra care & maintenance, which is simply waste of money & manpower - watering, trimming, insects, cleaning dead leaves
Imagine the building is filled with dead trees or the trees are growing out of control

Hell no. So fugly. Just taruk simple2 enuf ler like those fence bush thingy or flower equivalent or mix. No need until pokok bah... ivy i kinda on the fence bout it.

Hence anyone who bought such prop is lab rats.

Design can be perfect on paper, but only real world feed back after decades will show the design flaws. By then, it's the owner of the structure that will pay the price for the futuristic design.

Cars also like that ma... lucky ones get a working Tesla, unlucky ones get a kamikaze Tesla lor.... In the end everything that we buy also is a chance game...

But still, buildings with green are better than nothing, considering the damage we did to the environment everytime there are new development.

Cars we already accepted it's depreciating assets, will scrap it within expected useful life.

Prop is freaking expensive and for long term, imagine not one but many buildings of high rise with flawed design with planted trees..... that's huge loss to many parties.

We need population control instead of planting trees to make up our impact on the environment.

Architect only know design this and that, want to look good and pretty.

Gives to engineer, adoi pening kepala

There are more to our jobs than "wanting to look good and pretty".

later easier to find location for when directors wanna shoot world apocalyptic, or zombie movies.

maybe get ready for carbon tax to the skyscraper

But I no do reno wor. Really the law ah? Which law?

Not suitable in our climate. The root can penetrate deep to inside concrete hairline cracks. Can cause rainwater leak and damage the building.

Looks good but maintenance is haram jadah la.

Don't complain about high cost sinking fund and maintenance charges

Inspired by Bosnian Pyramid.

I am sorry, I don't know which specific statute is it for that law but there is. Reason I don't know specifically is because I don't stay in a Strata Title building but since you are, you just have to ask your Building Manager which law is that that says you are encountable for it. They ought to know which law is that.

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Mar 2 2023, 01:18 PM