https://www.london.ac.uk/courses/msc-comput...our-study-24609

What do you all think ? Especially those who are trying to break into the industry but bachelor is not in CS?

50k doesnt seem a lot plus can be done remotely so that saves a lot of money. UOL certificate is of good standing.

Syallabus looks relevant to industry needs



silverhawkbumpomalleus need group expert opinion, hope you dont mind

This post has been edited by 15cm: Feb 15 2023, 09:36 PM

I am doing this right now, in person, in Newcastle University UK.

Please i beg you understand and master java basics before entering.

most people here already do java as a hobby, a lot are already working in programming field, but dont have paper qualifications.

i am literally dying lmao

its the 4th month now and i feel like i am still such a basic programmer

i mean i can perfectly understand code when i see it, what it does and all.

but if you give me question i cant form my own

and it really hurts

also mine is only 27k pounds for the whole thing, and its only one year.

thesis starting next semester, and jesus christ it looks way above my level now

?? newcastle is not part of the UOL group

u mean u did newcstle 's own msc cs?

I much rather be paid and learn all those on the jobs than take a Masters degree.

You don't need a degree if you can code and think well. I only recommend taking CS/SE degree courses for those who are still young as they can make the best of those early years networking and there's no harm/risk taking their time to learn foundational knowledge.

As you get older, time is no longer on your side. Better to just learn on the job. MIT has their materials all available publicly too, so you can always just use that.

Outside of research fields, any post-grad qualification is just noise. Generally when going through resumes I de-prioritise if there's too many qualification (e.g. certs, masters, etc) without much experience.

Do you think there is a "gatekeeping" element in recruitment?

like if your not an IT/CS grad some hr/lead will exclude you from hiring consideration ?

i agree on the academic necessity for post grad , but on top of that its also a make good for those whos bachelor is in something else

one of the biggest difference i notice between CS grad and bootcamp grad is that bootcamp grads only know how to use the available tools without knowing how they work underneath it. They know ok if i do this i get this outcome. They dont necessarily know how, or maybe even why (until they ran into problems themselves) , like how a driver knows how to use the steering and the gear but doesnt know how to troubleshoot the car when it breaks down.

I still think CS grad have an advantage in that terms. Its not all about just coding.

say for example, i believe i asked you this before, that i found out how challenging is it to code esp32 with C because its not just about coding, but also an inherent understanding of how memory works and even how computation works.

This post has been edited by 15cm: Feb 16 2023, 12:37 AM

Yess hahahha I did Newcastles own mcs cs.

I think the best is Birmingham's one, but it’s also the hardest to get in

Generally no. The software field is actually one of the fields where degrees don't play much of a role.

There is some level of gatekeeping, normally having a degree is sufficient. Doesn't have to be in IT/CS. Of course if the degree is in something harder like math, physics or engineering you get a leg up other candidates. Often even above the IT grads.

Yes, this is generally true. Which is why I don't recommend bootcamps. Bootcamps are vocational training, which is going to limit your growth if you don't pick up the basic foundation knowledge. There's only a small subset of people who actually benefit from bootcamps, and that is someone who is intelligent enough to learn all the coding and theory stuff quickly but requires some structure in lessons to get them on the right track.

90% of people don't fall into this category.

I interviewed many people who did bootcamps, mostly those from design background trying to get into frontend dev. I really really really wanted a designer who can code, but most can't. Even after attending bootcamps.

Depends on the employer, and depends on your expectations. Body shops (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_shopping ) needs qualified on paper people, not qualified on productivity people.

We ourselves often don't care about your paper qualification, but that's because we can easily test you. And many of our best, don't have degrees in CS.

And stop extrapolating posts on devkaki as being the norm in Malaysia.

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This post has been edited by FlierMate4: Feb 18 2023, 11:38 PM

i didnt take this info from devkaki eh. i was browsing for postgrad options in uk university and bump into it.

actually re reading this i still dont quite understand

so you agree that CS grads have a better understanding of stuff , better than non CS grad

but you still think that folks who missed out doing cs during bachelor should not make it up with an msc?

or do you think that if the bachelor is done in something else dont waste time in msc but rather self study, you know its hard to self study right. its always faster if there is someone guiding you.

You won't make it up with a masters. Most masters are 1-2 year courses vs a bachelor degree that is 3-4 years. Do you think they can cover the same amount?

Master degrees are mostly scams in my opinion, they offer so little but cost so much. The only people who take masters are people who need certification to prove themself for some reason or another, and that to me is generally a red flag.

Our industry doesn't even need bachelor degrees, what more a masters. I advice those starting out from high school to take CS degrees not because of the cert, but because of the exposure of knowledge and like minded peers.


You need to be able to study on your own, its part of the job mate. Having a mentor is better of course, but you can find that in the company you work at or in forums like this. Not sure about something, ask and someone can guide you to the answer or expose you to the subject.

Omg I'm in the same boat! Currently doing a Master program in Analytics without any programming background, dying to complete every assignment and exam.
Now in the midst of learning Python and SQL in a hard way. Most of my coursemates already have some programming background and its really hard to catch up to their level in short period of time

anything related to java i am still dying. my couse full java hahaha

right now we making web app with javascript, html and css so hopefully better

everything else is really fun!! my favourite so far was computer networks, but too bad java taking a huge toll out of my life right now

good luck to you!!!

i can help u for a small fee

in pounds

that cant be in postgrad

see what I mean

ya it is not. thats what malaysian dont understand

mine is still a conversion

but its a masters lmao, because i already have a degree

basically it is undergrad 3 years of cs fit into one year of msc

what do you mean?

Most people think that masters programs like what you're taking is a step above a bachelor's degree. Most of the time, it is not.

As you said, you're cramming a few years of syllabus into 1 year. Even a 4 year degree is barely sufficient to cover the bases, so you're definitely losing out on a lot of important knowledge in your course. The course will have to be marketable, so it will filter for "industry needs" and teach you that. Nothing wrong with that per se, but its really just a glorified bootcamp.

There is a niche that master degrees fulfill, but that niche has nothing to do with actual knowledge/talent in the field. It really exists for bureaucratic reasons.

yeah it is a overglorified 150k bootcamp lmao

can you list down what you think that an engineer should know but most dont, or you notice not covered in syallabus?

i want to know what i dont know

Feels like I've answered this before.

Just think about it this way. When you clicked on the link to view this page. Do you intuitively know what's happening from the mouse click all the way up to the page loading and displaying infront of you.