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elimi8z
post Feb 10 2023, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(mystalyzer @ Feb 10 2023, 03:01 PM)
My 6 bed / 6 bath house is 6388 sqft semid unit . how can fit 7 bed 7 bath in 3300 sqft ?
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By your logic, they cannot fit 3 rooms to a 6-700 sqft unit 😂
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If u think of property promoter like those cryto or nft promoter, you can easily tell how much trust you should really place on them.

Remember, rich people vely seldom reveal how they get rich.
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post Feb 10 2023, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(Julie Ting @ Feb 10 2023, 03:15 PM)
Seriously have you sent LOD to the developer to fix your house issues?
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yes, LOD through MPKJ. IOI came and fix some (not all) houses externally, my house is not included cause they said my cracks not so "severe". wtf? cracks also got severity? berapa inches gap until you considered severe enough to patch up?
a handful houses with with really big cracks internally, they come patch. at the end of the day, the cracks came back .... and it's bigger right now.

to make matters worst, the next taman is another developer building terrace houses. during MCO, they did dynamite blasting (not once, but many times), my whole taman shook like an earthquake. later found out it is illegal but what to do, crack even bigger after those blasts
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QUOTE(iEatCuteDogs @ Feb 10 2023, 03:13 PM)
3 story house bro
RM200+ persqft

CONTOH

CONTOH 2
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My house 4 storeys . ok,i see the rooms a relatively smaller
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QUOTE(elimi8z @ Feb 10 2023, 03:30 PM)
By your logic, they cannot fit 3 rooms to a 6-700 sqft unit 😂
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i guess can, just much smaller rooms biggrin.gif
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me first time buy home.. low cost apartment.. dunno shit about buying house.. see ad says non bumi then i thought ok la i can buy this.. from agent to lawyer to banker all say ok i can buy.. end up consent kena reject by state gov because of bumi quota.. pay lawyer fee almost 10k.. deposit still stuck there.. but house cannot get.. hahah
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QUOTE(iEatCuteDogs @ Feb 10 2023, 02:21 PM)
What's your worst property purchase?

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Credit: neighbour's house. this shitty IOI developer workmanship sucks beyond belief. complain to MPKJ already, developer still dont wanna fix

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Should sue the developer for this sort of structural failures!
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post Feb 10 2023, 03:48 PM

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No offense, siapa suruh beli bangi?
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post Feb 10 2023, 03:49 PM

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thanks to people like you ikan get to buy below market value from auction 🤭🤭
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QUOTE(ikankering @ Feb 10 2023, 02:50 PM)
market value now just 1.1m.

5 years of investment fail.
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Putrajaya?
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QUOTE(iEatCuteDogs @ Feb 10 2023, 02:21 PM)
What's your worst property purchase?
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Credit: neighbour's house. this shitty IOI developer workmanship sucks beyond belief. complain to MPKJ already, developer still dont wanna fix

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This is likely ground settlement issue.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Feb 10 2023, 04:08 PM
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holy shit.. so bad. my condolence bro.
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QUOTE(iEatCuteDogs @ Feb 10 2023, 02:21 PM)
What's your worst property purchase?

this is my story of my journey, pain and frustration of my worst property purchase, lessons learned will be shared below. I wanna rant here cause my lorong neighbour today lelong off their unit at below market price.
this is my second property I purchased (also my first landed house), so I was relatively new to this prop thingy. a real newbie
I bought from stupid IOI during early 2015 and is in IOI Bandar Puteri Bangi @ Teresse 2. during that time, they are doing pile foundation on the site

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bought it at MYR769,000, with 90% loan for 35 years, that amounted to MYR699,000. Topup 4% @ MYR31,000. Got a discount of 2% from IOI Club platinum membership (cause bought more than MYR2,000,000 of prop value from them), another 2% discount from events promo (CNY that time buy) and another 2% discount from referral (extended family referral fees pass back to me for down payment).

now here's the shittiest part, after 7+ years, the house value never increased but decreased. why? there are so many unsold units, and the developer are trying to sell them off ASAP. so they throw in some ridiculous discounts.
eg. take bumi lot for example, 7-10% discount over the years (CRAZY!), then raya/cny promo 4-5% off, referral scheme another 2-3%, IOI club membership 2%. total discount is almost 20%. that is -20% of the original house value, so  people are buying at around MYR630,000 for my unit type post CCC for those unsold units while I bought it at MYR722,860. that's more than MYR100,000+ difference and it's so unfair. it pull down the property price. and to make matters worst, IOI introduce a scheme during MCO. BUY NOW PAY LATER, loan is under IOI. so they buy the prop and dont have to pay loan for 5 years. CIBAI!

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so many people buy those props, but never move in ... until today. so what happened? well.... they cant pay back the loan, so banks lelong it at stupidly cheap price, like 40-50% below market value. then people started disposing it -10% below market value too.

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as you can see from the screenshot, the property is already overpriced, stupid developers made it fucking worst. a 7 bedroom, 7 bathroom 3,300 sqft unit 3 story terrace house 1KM away is CHEAPER by MYR100,000.  ranting.gif

now you might tell me, just wait till the value appreciates and dispose the unit. meanwhile rent out.
well, renters are hard to find in that area cause they are spoiled for choice. like i would wanna rent in that 7 bedroom 7 bathroom house 1km away, which cost MYR1,800/month. meanwhile my taman rent is 1,900 cause have to offset installment to bank which is around MYR3,600/month. so rental is slightly more than half. so what my creative neighbour did is to partition up the entire house, 3 bedroom downstairs, 3 bedroom upstairs and rent the rooms out for MYR400-600 to cover the installment. but that barely covers the full amount and there are only 3 renters at the moment. sad shit

so i am stuck in a dilemma, cant rent out (too low rental and too many competition, not enough renters), cant sell (-10% market value now, brand new house -50% value), and if wait until full loan tenure then sell off, i would be actually paying MYR1,512,000 (total payment with principal and interest). i will be paying MYR882,000 in interest over 35 years, and i doubt capital gains can cover that.
also this property have so many defects, some of my neighbours have their roofs fallen on their heads, leaking everywhere, huge cracks and even hollow garage due to soil erosion. the developer sucks in marketing as well as workmanship too
this prop is beyond fucked.

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Credit: neighbour's house. this shitty IOI developer workmanship sucks beyond belief. complain to MPKJ already, developer still dont wanna fix

so my lesson learned:
1. avoid small and medium size developers. and for the big fish developers, in my opinion and experience, only Sime Darby, Glomac, Tropicana can be trusted. the rest like Mahsiao, IOI, etc. can eat shit
2. dont trust sales agent, dont trust marketing gimmicks. a property is your biggest investment in life, do your research gao gao. if possible, price check on every single property and future developments around a 5km radius. dont slack up, cause developers love to upscale, oversell and overprice their properties.
3. track record and reputation of a developer is important. if the developer has multiple red flags before, avoid that developer at all cost no matter what.
later i post some defects of my neighbour's house. see also wanna cry
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lets cry
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post Feb 10 2023, 04:00 PM

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what about exsim ?
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QUOTE(iEatCuteDogs @ Feb 10 2023, 02:35 PM)
my water leakage is bad, but my taman neighbour's leakage are even worst. whole plaster roof collapse, with fan lights and all.
last year (2022) i spent almost MYR10k to fix water tank area leakage and huge cracks. in 2021, i spent MYR20k to put awning, ponding and cracks. every year at least MYR10k+ to fix cracks.
IOI workmanship is the worst. and their achitect+designers are all retards. water tank area is exposed flat roof. OFCOURSELA PONDING, CRACKS EVERY YEAR. WATER TANK SO HEAVY YOU KNOW. U PUT IT OVER A STUPIDLY THIN CONCRETE SLAB!  ranting.gif  ranting.gif  vmad.gif
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Concrete flat roof need water proofing and these water proofing need to be protected else leaking will occur.
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QUOTE(iEatCuteDogs @ Feb 10 2023, 03:08 PM)
my taman representatives complained to some YB and MPKJ, IOI did come to some patching externally and that's it. the cracks came back months later and it's even worst. the underlying issue is not solved ... SOIL EROSION.
there's no embankment wall that stops soil erosion into a man made lake few meters away from the taman (CAUSE IOI IS CHEAPSKATE, WANNA SAVE MONEY ON EMBANKMENT WALL).

that screenshot of the house with huge cracks on the walls, is the house closest to the man made lake. i heard from his complaints that his garage is hollow, basically his cars are resting on a few feet of concrete. if i am not mistaken, the owner spent a fortune pumping concrete under his garage
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Just sell and move on
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QUOTE(Joe1997 @ Feb 10 2023, 04:00 PM)
what about exsim ?
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as long architect and consultant not doing their job right to design and inspect properly, even top notch developer products also can turn into shit
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QUOTE(square2 @ Feb 10 2023, 04:02 PM)
as long architect and consultant not doing their job right to design and inspect properly, even top notch developer products also can turn into shit
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SUE them all! mad.gif
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QUOTE(iEatCuteDogs @ Feb 10 2023, 02:21 PM)
What's your worst property purchase?

this is my story of my journey, pain and frustration of my worst property purchase, lessons learned will be shared below. I wanna rant here cause my lorong neighbour today lelong off their unit at below market price.
this is my second property I purchased (also my first landed house), so I was relatively new to this prop thingy. a real newbie
I bought from stupid IOI during early 2015 and is in IOI Bandar Puteri Bangi @ Teresse 2. during that time, they are doing pile foundation on the site

user posted image

bought it at MYR769,000, with 90% loan for 35 years, that amounted to MYR699,000. Topup 4% @ MYR31,000. Got a discount of 2% from IOI Club platinum membership (cause bought more than MYR2,000,000 of prop value from them), another 2% discount from events promo (CNY that time buy) and another 2% discount from referral (extended family referral fees pass back to me for down payment).

now here's the shittiest part, after 7+ years, the house value never increased but decreased. why? there are so many unsold units, and the developer are trying to sell them off ASAP. so they throw in some ridiculous discounts.
eg. take bumi lot for example, 7-10% discount over the years (CRAZY!), then raya/cny promo 4-5% off, referral scheme another 2-3%, IOI club membership 2%. total discount is almost 20%. that is -20% of the original house value, so  people are buying at around MYR630,000 for my unit type post CCC for those unsold units while I bought it at MYR722,860. that's more than MYR100,000+ difference and it's so unfair. it pull down the property price. and to make matters worst, IOI introduce a scheme during MCO. BUY NOW PAY LATER, loan is under IOI. so they buy the prop and dont have to pay loan for 5 years. CIBAI!

user posted image

so many people buy those props, but never move in ... until today. so what happened? well.... they cant pay back the loan, so banks lelong it at stupidly cheap price, like 40-50% below market value. then people started disposing it -10% below market value too.

user posted image

as you can see from the screenshot, the property is already overpriced, stupid developers made it fucking worst. a 7 bedroom, 7 bathroom 3,300 sqft unit 3 story terrace house 1KM away is CHEAPER by MYR100,000.  ranting.gif

now you might tell me, just wait till the value appreciates and dispose the unit. meanwhile rent out.
well, renters are hard to find in that area cause they are spoiled for choice. like i would wanna rent in that 7 bedroom 7 bathroom house 1km away, which cost MYR1,800/month. meanwhile my taman rent is 1,900 cause have to offset installment to bank which is around MYR3,600/month. so rental is slightly more than half. so what my creative neighbour did is to partition up the entire house, 3 bedroom downstairs, 3 bedroom upstairs and rent the rooms out for MYR400-600 to cover the installment. but that barely covers the full amount and there are only 3 renters at the moment. sad shit

so i am stuck in a dilemma, cant rent out (too low rental and too many competition, not enough renters), cant sell (-10% market value now, brand new house -50% value), and if wait until full loan tenure then sell off, i would be actually paying MYR1,512,000 (total payment with principal and interest). i will be paying MYR882,000 in interest over 35 years, and i doubt capital gains can cover that.
also this property have so many defects, some of my neighbours have their roofs fallen on their heads, leaking everywhere, huge cracks and even hollow garage due to soil erosion. the developer sucks in marketing as well as workmanship too
this prop is beyond fucked.

user posted image
Credit: neighbour's house. this shitty IOI developer workmanship sucks beyond belief. complain to MPKJ already, developer still dont wanna fix

so my lesson learned:
1. avoid small and medium size developers. and for the big fish developers, in my opinion and experience, only Sime Darby, Glomac, Tropicana can be trusted. the rest like Mahsiao, IOI, etc. can eat shit
2. dont trust sales agent, dont trust marketing gimmicks. a property is your biggest investment in life, do your research gao gao. if possible, price check on every single property and future developments around a 5km radius. dont slack up, cause developers love to upscale, oversell and overprice their properties.
3. track record and reputation of a developer is important. if the developer has multiple red flags before, avoid that developer at all cost no matter what.
later i post some defects of my neighbour's house. see also wanna cry
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Hi bro,

i m in the similar situation like you, almost identical, mine is Tropicana Gardens.

All these so called reputable developter just played us kao-kao.

i am also half death with my over-priced property at Tropicana Gardens, cant even sell, market price is lower than our purchased price.

damn the developer.
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post Feb 10 2023, 04:05 PM

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Wow, really sad story. Only way for house price to appreciate again is to open fully to China and revert mm2h to it's original 1980 T&C.

But too bad, Malaysia anti Cina, so.... Sorry to TS la. I daresay even after 20 years your house will still be at a loss.

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