Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 Jack Ma gives up control of Ant Group

views
     
SUSSam Loo
post Jan 9 2023, 02:07 PM, updated 3y ago

New Member
*
Junior Member
12 posts

Joined: Jul 2022

SHANGHAI/HONG KONG, Jan 7 (Reuters) - Ant Group's founder Jack Ma will give up control of the Chinese fintech giant in an overhaul that seeks to draw a line under a regulatory crackdown that was triggered soon after its mammoth stock market debut was scuppered two years ago.

Ant's $37 billion IPO, which would have been the world's largest, was cancelled at the last minute in November 2020, leading to a forced restructuring of the financial technology firm and speculation the Chinese billionaire would have to cede control.

While some analysts have said a relinquishing of control could clear the way for the company to revive its IPO, the changes announced by the group on Saturday, however, are likely to result in a further delay due to listing regulations.

China's domestic A-share market requires companies to wait three years after a change in control to list. The wait is two years on Shanghai's Nasdaq-style STAR market, and one year in Hong Kong.

A former English teacher, Ma previously possessed more than 50% of voting rights at Ant but the changes will mean that his share falls to 6.2%, according to Reuters calculations.

Ma only owns a 10% stake in Ant, an affiliate of e-commerce giant Alibaba Group Holding Ltd (9988.HK), but has exercised control over the company through related entities, according to Ant's IPO prospectus filed with the exchanges in 2020.

Hangzhou Yunbo, an investment vehicle for Ma, had control over two other entities that own a combined 50.5% stake of Ant, the prospectus showed.

Ma's ceding of control comes as Ant is nearing the completion of its two-year regulatory-driven restructuring, with Chinese authorities poised to impose a fine of more than $1 billion on the firm, Reuters reported in November.

The expected penalty is part of Beijing's sweeping and unprecedented crackdown on the country's technology titans over the past two years that has sliced hundreds of billions of dollars off their values and shrunk revenues and profits.

But Chinese authorities have in recent months softened their tone on the tech crackdown amid efforts to bolster a $17-trillion economy that has been badly hurt by the COVID-19 pandemic.

"With the Chinese economy in a very febrile state, the government is looking to signal its commitment to growth, and the tech, private sectors are key to that as we know," said Duncan Clark, chairman of investment advisory firm BDA China.

"At least Ant investors can (now) have some timetable for an exit after a long period of uncertainty," said Clark, who is also an author of a book on Alibaba and Ma.

REGULATORY SCRUTINY
Ant operates China's ubiquitous mobile payment app Alipay, the world's largest, which has more than 1 billion users.

Ant, whose businesses also span consumer lending and insurance products distribution, said Ma and nine of its other major shareholders had agreed to no longer act in concert when exercising voting rights, and would only vote independently.

It added that the shareholders' economic interests in Ant will not change as a result of the adjustments.

Ant also said it would add a fifth independent director to its board so that independent directors will comprise a majority of the company's board. It currently has eight board directors.

"As a result, there will no longer be a situation where a direct or indirect shareholder will have sole or joint control over Ant Group," it said in its statement.

Reuters reported in April 2021 that Ant was exploring options for Ma, one of China's most successful and influential businessmen, to divest his stake in Ant and give up control.

The Wall Street Journal reported in July last year, citing unnamed sources, that Ma could cede control by transferring some of his voting power to Ant officials including Chief Executive Officer Eric Jing.

Ant's market listing in Hong Kong and Shanghai was derailed days after Ma publicly criticised regulators in a speech in October 2020. Since then, his sprawling empire has been under regulatory scrutiny and going through a restructuring.

Once outspoken, Ma has largely remained out of public view since the regulatory crackdown that has reined in the country's technology giants and did away with a laissez-faire approach that drove breakneck growth.

"Jack Ma's departure from Ant Financial, a company he founded, shows the determination of the Chinese leadership to reduce the influence of large private investors," said Andrew Collier, managing director of Orient Capital Research.

"This trend will continue the erosion of the most productive parts of the Chinese economy."

As Chinese regulators frown on monopolies and unfair competition, Ant and Alibaba have been untangling their operations from each other and independently seeking new business, Reuters reported last year.

Ant said on Saturday that its management would no longer serve in the Alibaba Partnership a body that can nominate the majority of the e-commerce giant's board, affirming a change that started mid-last year.

This post has been edited by Sam Loo: Jan 9 2023, 02:07 PM
bergstein
post Jan 9 2023, 02:09 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
352 posts

Joined: Nov 2011
just retire edi la, sudah buat syok sendiri concert, wayang, still not enough meh
St0rmFury
post Jan 9 2023, 02:10 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
225 posts

Joined: May 2007
From: KL


user posted image
square2
post Jan 9 2023, 02:10 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
227 posts

Joined: May 2022


should done it way earlier
john123x
post Jan 9 2023, 02:14 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,022 posts

Joined: Oct 2005


fool me once, shame on you
fool me twice, shame on me.

we will always remember, investing in china will always carry great risk.

we are better off investing in SPY !!! we will sleep better at night

This post has been edited by john123x: Jan 9 2023, 02:14 PM
Slowpokeking
post Jan 9 2023, 02:16 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
19 posts

Joined: Oct 2014
Kecian lol.

Work so hard. Helang coke and say all your base belongs to us.
pgsiemkia
post Jan 9 2023, 02:16 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
473 posts

Joined: Dec 2009
From: Timbuktoo
QUOTE(john123x @ Jan 9 2023, 02:14 PM)
fool me once, shame on you
fool me twice, shame on me.

we will always remember, investing in china will always carry great risk.

we are better off investing in SPY !!! we will sleep better at night
*
Which prc lover say can do big biz in China? The gomen do not want you to get too big for your shoes unless they need you like Huawei.


jmas
post Jan 9 2023, 02:17 PM

I can edit title???
*****
Junior Member
830 posts

Joined: Mar 2010
macam robert kuok case je, built successful company, forced to cease control to govt

edit: hearsay on tg channel, its passed to some 红二代 (second red generation)

This post has been edited by jmas: Jan 9 2023, 02:19 PM
lyn_member
post Jan 9 2023, 02:17 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
12 posts

Joined: Jul 2020
give to xi jin ping?
bengm2019
post Jan 9 2023, 02:20 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
71 posts

Joined: Feb 2020
Ant Group will ultimately destroy China.... Luckily now it won't....

China has learnt a very important lesson. You should never ever allow private companies to offer loan packages to consumers. IT should only be done through banks.
limfreelance
post Jan 9 2023, 02:20 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
343 posts

Joined: Jul 2011
From: Land of SaberLion :3
Jack Ma tak study Crisis economi 2008
what is the root that cause the shit.
Pinjam wang kluar senang but when the ppl unable to pay...how?
capitalism mindset
ikankering
post Jan 9 2023, 02:21 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
42 posts

Joined: Jan 2017
komunis win.

business kalah.
Autocountstick
post Jan 9 2023, 02:22 PM

On my way
****
Junior Member
675 posts

Joined: Jun 2014
lucky still alive, enjoy your life
john123x
post Jan 9 2023, 02:27 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,022 posts

Joined: Oct 2005


https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/11/3.../jack-ma-tokyo/

QUOTE
The British newspaper said Ma has frequented several private members’ clubs in Tokyo and become an “enthusiastic collector” of Japanese modern art, as well as exploring expanding his business interests into sustainability.


anyway, he give up already and starting to enjoy life.


This post has been edited by john123x: Jan 9 2023, 02:28 PM
eidrag
post Jan 9 2023, 02:32 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
242 posts

Joined: Oct 2015
he's at shinjuku now?
SUSSam Loo
post Jan 9 2023, 02:33 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
12 posts

Joined: Jul 2022

QUOTE(eidrag @ Jan 9 2023, 02:32 PM)
he's at shinjuku now?
*
His real boss is Nippon Jin helang
Similanjau
post Jan 9 2023, 02:36 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
13 posts

Joined: Jan 2020
kesian sama lu but nvm lah still kayaraya
e_mc_square
post Jan 9 2023, 02:42 PM

Enthusiast
*****
Senior Member
768 posts

Joined: Dec 2008


QUOTE(john123x @ Jan 9 2023, 02:14 PM)
fool me once, shame on you
fool me twice, shame on me.

we will always remember, investing in china will always carry great risk.

we are better off investing in SPY !!! we will sleep better at night
*
You relate this ant group thing with "invest china is bad bad".
I will not surprise if you kena "fool me third" biggrin.gif
galkelly
post Jan 9 2023, 02:43 PM

Enthusiast
*****
Junior Member
752 posts

Joined: Jun 2012
nobody bigger than CCP... JackMa learnt it too late.
e_mc_square
post Jan 9 2023, 02:44 PM

Enthusiast
*****
Senior Member
768 posts

Joined: Dec 2008


QUOTE(eidrag @ Jan 9 2023, 02:32 PM)
he's at shinjuku now?
*
He is in Thailand for vacation now.

Eat Je Fai, crab omelets, watch Muay Thai, enjoying life yo~

https://www.facebook.com/zhitaiguo/posts/pf...7fjmhcvrTfLVKxl

This post has been edited by e_mc_square: Jan 9 2023, 02:45 PM
Natsukashii
post Jan 9 2023, 02:45 PM

^^
******
Senior Member
1,084 posts

Joined: Jul 2022
QUOTE(ikankering @ Jan 9 2023, 02:21 PM)
komunis win.

business kalah.
*
Do you consider kalah if can retire wealthy?

When the whole family is wealthy..
Skidd Chung
post Jan 9 2023, 02:49 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
479 posts

Joined: May 2010


Jack Ma waiting to liquidate all his stocks before he opens his mouth again.

No way he will open up without cashing out.
accitzone
post Jan 9 2023, 02:50 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
399 posts

Joined: Mar 2006


where are those PRC lifetime fans????
accitzone
post Jan 9 2023, 02:51 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
399 posts

Joined: Mar 2006


QUOTE(Natsukashii @ Jan 9 2023, 02:45 PM)
Do you consider kalah if can retire wealthy?

When the whole family is wealthy..
*
kalah.

1. he can't proceed with Alibaba his dual listing.
2. he's not free to really talk about anything.
cloudwan0
post Jan 9 2023, 02:52 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
236 posts

Joined: Sep 2008
kesian, he also have to run to jpn to avoid kena lockup...
marfccy
post Jan 9 2023, 02:56 PM

Le Ponyland!!!
*******
Senior Member
4,254 posts

Joined: Nov 2011


QUOTE(limfreelance @ Jan 9 2023, 02:20 PM)
Jack Ma tak study Crisis economi 2008
what is the root that cause the shit.
Pinjam wang kluar senang but when the ppl unable to pay...how?
capitalism mindset
*
this, want to see another subprime mortgage recession in the world? china: NO
Darkspreader
post Jan 9 2023, 03:02 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
148 posts

Joined: Aug 2013
From: Uranus



user posted image


This post has been edited by Darkspreader: Jan 9 2023, 03:02 PM
SUSSam Loo
post Jan 9 2023, 03:04 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
12 posts

Joined: Jul 2022

QUOTE(Darkspreader @ Jan 9 2023, 03:02 PM)
user posted image
*
Think the Muay Thai fighter would just throw the match.
toughguy
post Jan 9 2023, 03:07 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
105 posts

Joined: Aug 2007


Budaya buaya have infected China.
It's the start of the end for China economic growth.
SUSM4A1
post Jan 9 2023, 03:09 PM

[*#^♥SONE♥^#]
******
Senior Member
1,365 posts

Joined: Aug 2005



kakwen mana
mw1980
post Jan 9 2023, 03:23 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
40 posts

Joined: Jan 2015


QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Jan 9 2023, 02:16 PM)
Kecian lol.

Work so hard. Helang coke and say all your base belongs to us.
*
not kesian at all la. without ant he would still be doing very well. greedy is 1 thing, the main issue is that ant is likely to cause more harm than benefit to china.
SUSYH1234
post Jan 9 2023, 03:37 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
372 posts

Joined: Dec 2016
QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 9 2023, 02:56 PM)
this, want to see another subprime mortgage recession in the world? china: NO
*
but i think this is truly something creative and original, not copy from the west. good or bad i dont know.
koja6049
post Jan 9 2023, 03:41 PM

On my way
****
Junior Member
615 posts

Joined: Feb 2018
so many retards here simp for a billionaire. last time also simp for elon musk biggrin.gif
zhou.xingxing
post Jan 9 2023, 03:52 PM

:3
******
Senior Member
1,863 posts

Joined: Aug 2014
From: Soviet Sarawak - Dum Spiro Spero



QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 9 2023, 02:56 PM)
this, want to see another subprime mortgage recession in the world? china: NO
*
but but many says china ccp restrict jackma...
Zhik
post Jan 9 2023, 03:53 PM

eeerrrmmmnnn, stupidity has no limit?
******
Senior Member
1,228 posts

Joined: Nov 2012
He has touch the cake of 2nd gen of those politician and military decensdants. Sorry, u got to go.
marfccy
post Jan 9 2023, 03:55 PM

Le Ponyland!!!
*******
Senior Member
4,254 posts

Joined: Nov 2011


QUOTE(YH1234 @ Jan 9 2023, 03:37 PM)
but i think this is truly something creative and original, not copy from the west. good or bad i dont know.
*
lol it doesnt take a genius to know if you borrow to people with financial problems, be ready to get fakaped..

QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Jan 9 2023, 03:52 PM)
but but many says china ccp restrict jackma...
*
deswai lor, i rather the company/gov exercise on the caution side than pleasing the shareholders being yesman and then shit happens
edifgrto
post Jan 9 2023, 03:56 PM

Am a cat! ^^
******
Senior Member
1,707 posts

Joined: May 2005

Jack Ma... that one who suddenly getting very rich, then start to talk noisense... talked until ccp leaders nearly wanna do "tangkap" him?...

hahaha... sorry. ayam laughing now. laugh.gif

kaizoku30
post Jan 9 2023, 03:59 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
86 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
QUOTE(M4A1 @ Jan 9 2023, 03:09 PM)
kakwen mana
*
When come to important country policies, con9lan7firm you won’t see Kakwank ohmao desmond h20. They don’t have own opinion, or should i say not allowed, or maybe Macam lalabeng Lian don’t even think about it. They are like lalang, when wind blow one direction, they tumbang that side.
ticke
post Jan 9 2023, 04:49 PM

****E***y*u***i***@**
******
Senior Member
1,682 posts

Joined: Oct 2004
From: let there be rain

lulz...go to the US jadi USA citizen la.
LowKeras
post Jan 9 2023, 04:58 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
113 posts

Joined: May 2019
Aiya wish like him so enjoy now
loserguy
post Jan 9 2023, 04:59 PM

On my way
****
Junior Member
500 posts

Joined: Dec 2019
cukur finally jack ma going all in to the air cond servicing business
SUSYH1234
post Jan 9 2023, 05:09 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
372 posts

Joined: Dec 2016
QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 9 2023, 03:55 PM)
lol it doesnt take a genius to know if you borrow to people with financial problems, be ready to get fakaped..
deswai lor, i rather the company/gov exercise on the caution side than pleasing the shareholders being yesman and then shit happens
*
why jackma want to borrow to people with financial problem? cant he borrow to people that are most probable to pay back? taobao succeed have much to do with jackma idea of letting everyone, big or small, financially sound or otherwise, to make use of his platform to trade, and thats one main reason why taobao beat ebay.

govt can always exercise cautious by regulation. and i dont think the many provincial small bank is actually perform better in the context of who they borrow their money to, else how to explain why many limit cash out?

could it be jackma is a threat because he dare to say thing others dont?
keyibukeyi
post Jan 9 2023, 05:18 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
150 posts

Joined: Oct 2009
From: Klang, Selangor D.E Status: Work Everyday
his life lesson, with his piece of advice, vols get success

 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0216sec    1.03    5 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 18th December 2025 - 01:02 AM