Just checking what are the fees need to pay to DBKL.
Is this seems correct?
Is it standard fees or depend how extensive renovation?

For clarity this is to reno single storey link house to 1.5 storey.

Just curious coz the contractor says they have their own architect, but then they mentioned they bring DBKL ppl to come do site measurement and draw floor plan (or something).
Is it mean they do not have own architect and i had to fork out the architect fee to DBKL?

This post has been edited by WaCKy-Angel: Dec 30 2022, 02:31 PM

Call or visit dbkl to find out what is their submission fee. The balance is their 'professional' fee.

Dbkl similar to othe local authority have a list of accredited draftsmen to do the work which I think your contractor is using one of them.

A word of caution thou ... never allow him to start work until you received the approval letter., otherwise it can be an illegal work few years later.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Dec 30 2022, 04:28 PM

I'm still confused what is that DBKL drawing they mean as compared to the few draft floor plans they presented to me (not accurate measurements) and they mentioned their "floor plan people" charges them few Ks each time they made changes to the floor plan.

Is this normal that these fees are exclusive of renovation price? They mentioned these are paid directly to DBKL, although they are asking me to pay to their company account now.
I guess they will provide the official receipt from DBKL later?

Firstly, you must decide what you want to do and not be fickle minded. Those draftsman allow owner to amend design once or twice and thereafter is chargeable.

Once approval given by dbkl, you should received a copy of the approval drawing plan with the official signature and stamp on it plus a letter. If is any other things, then you ask for clarification from the contractor.

Is better to have a breakdown on the each cost for reno instead of a lump sum.

If I read carefully, the RM8600 is the lump sum for professional fees based on the scope of the work. The fees and deposit (refundable) required by DBKL are not included. If I recall correctly, for my case, my architect requested 2K deposit from me.

Architect fees legallys should be based on the percentage of the building cost. But, most of the architect firms charge a lump sum for smaller projects.

I think the fees are quite okay particularly it includes the dilapidation survey. Converting a single storey link house to 1.5 storey has some risks, particularly your house now will be taller than neighbour. I knew several renovation that converting single storey, rain water poured into neighbours and caused damages. Hence, best to purchase Contractor All Risks insurance. The cost for this policy is not very expensive and it will save you a lot of hassle, if touch wood something happended. I knew an accident, where the house owner needed to fork out 20 over thousand to repair neighbour's house.

U mean this "professional fees" are not officially fees for DBKL?

Initiallg they give quotation lump sum XXXK amount (we are OK with the amount) and said they will NOT ask for extra money if material pricds goes up and that is all we need to pay. Later then they said this "DBKL fees" approximately 9K is payable to DBKL they no take a single cent from there.
So im just curious is it really true or upcar.

I was told they have their own architect but when they present the draft floor plan they said someone is drawing and charging them, that sounds like outsourced to me.

So i was assuming the reno price is inclusive architect fees except DBKL fees as they mentioned.
They could have up the reno price to include DBKL fees but why didnt they? Is it a norm for split fees for DBKL?

Based on the workscope above it is confirm the floor plan is done by DBKL (or their appointed subcon) and not done by the reno company?
Is it a norm for this practice?
They did mentioned few tines they have a few DBKL insider thst helps them to do certain things such as submissions, but im not sure inclusive architectrial drawings or not.

The difference of 7K is quite alot if indeed DBKL fees around 2K.
If they told me upfront about this maybe i could find my own architect cheaper?


This Contractor All Risk policy is during renovation or after? We already advised contractor to get insursnce but they say not to worry they will cover repair costs if damaged neighbour house during renovation.

This post has been edited by WaCKy-Angel: Dec 30 2022, 05:56 PM

Btw another side question.

How much fees need to pay TNB if u want to move the meter from door entrance (current location) to outdoor gate pillar?
Contractor says they cant simply move without TNB approval, eventhough the reno will demolish whole building and build from scratch.

Can my contractor's electrician do the work after paying approval fees to TNB or has to pay another electrician appointed by TNB?

That 2K DBKL deposit is refundable. If I read the note you put, the scope of work did not specify anything about DBKL refundable deposit and submission fees. They are purely professional fees for the drawing, the engineering and submission.

Architect draws the floor plan and engineer decides the technical i.e. the sizes of columns and beams to build in order to support your extra storey. DBKL officials only assess if the architect and engineer do follow the guidelines. DBKL does not do the floor plan and they also don't appoint subcon to do so. They are purely governing. Usually, architects and authorized persons will upload the drawing and engineering into the portal. Now, everything is online and no middle man is needed to do the errants.

Yes, it is normal for the quotation from architect/draghtman to split the scope of their services and the amounts needed to pay DBKL.

Based on what I read, I suggest you engage a proper architect. Then, based on the floor plan, call a few contractors to quote.

Your new house (i.e. the 1.5 storey) will need an architect to sign CCC before you can move in. Of course, many people did the renovation without permit and did not have CCC. The result - the renovation is illegal and DBKL may instruct to demolish. Or, you may need to pay penalty and stop the construction before approval.

For you to get CCC, one guideline is you need a qualified wireman or chargeman to sign the borang for the relocation of TNB meter. This wireman or chargeman usually is appointed by the contractor to carry out the work. This chargeman will know the runner who is in TNB panel to relocate the meters. Usually, to relocate the meter, the entire electrity circuit for the jalan has to be halt for safety reason. For my case, my meter is already at my gate. But, as I enlarge my entrance and need to move the meter about 18 feet away from the current location, the electrician I appointed will help me to coordinate with TNB for the relocation.

My incoming from TNB is 100A. I am not sure your house, it could be 60A. No point to take the risk, do it a proper way. I think it is better for you to get more quotations from several contractors. Your current contractor is promising you a lot of things and i think you will face the risks, especially if the promises are done verbally and you don't have any black and white.

Well so far they are doing the submission and approval for DBKL so i guess it wont have any illegal reno issues.

Moving TNB meter i havent decided yet it depends the price for that.
If no require moving of TNB meter then there is not necessity to have CCC?

How much u paid for the cost of moving TNB meter?

Btw CCC replaced CFO (aka CF) right?

This post has been edited by WaCKy-Angel: Dec 30 2022, 06:56 PM

They said other than the amount we pay for reno, there will be approximately 9K payable to DBKL for submissions (for approval of floor plan and stuffs)
Nothing about deposit.

So i guess they outsourced the floor plan drawing to the worker in DBKL for "faster processing" and pass the fee to us.
I would prefer they actually told me this upfront as now knowing it makes me doubt them.

Is this consider expensive professional fees?
CCC is not provided btw.

This post has been edited by WaCKy-Angel: Dec 30 2022, 08:42 PM

Your case is a knock-down and rebuild, you need a draughtsman or architect. It cannot be done by DBKL staff as it requires the person to submit the drawing online. You may refer to

https://www.thestar.com.my/metro/metro-news...on-applications

If CCC is not provided, most likely the service is not done by an architect. You may want to read the following

https://www.propertyguru.com.my/property-gu...iance-ccc-15904

If CCC is included, I think the fees are quite okay since it includes the dilapidation survey. Dilapidation survey is very important. For my case, my neighbour is old retired couple. At first I thought the wife was okay. Subsequently, any problem to the house, it was due to my construction. So, for your own benefit, do remember to get a detailed dilapidation survey

Geee so many things so confusing.

From what they mention it sounds like this DBKL worker is also an architect that helps them to draw and submit floor plan.

Need to read about this dilapidation already. Never heard this b4 until today.



Hmmm now its getting more interesting...they are saying this fees is for engineers, architect, consultant (not themselves) and inclusive of dbkl submission.

This post has been edited by WaCKy-Angel: Dec 30 2022, 09:33 PM

I suggest you go to the following website and search if your contractor is registered with CIDB

https://cims.cidb.gov.my/smis/regcontractor...ntractor.vbhtml

You will find the Registration Grade And Category. Usually, they should have

B - Building B04 (Kerja-kerja pembinaan bangunan)
CE - Civil Engineering CE21 (Pembinaan kejuruteraan awam)
ME - Mechanical & Electrical Engineering M15 (Kelengkapan mekanikal pelbagai)

If they are not listed in CIDB, then they cannot sign Borang G, which is part of the certificate of completion besides CCC.

This post has been edited by ongss: Dec 30 2022, 10:20 PM

They provided their cert dated 2020 but search found no result.

Anyway CCC is not a must right?

For my CCC, it will come with Borang G, which requires my contractor and electrician to sign.

Guess it would be best for you to talk to a qualified architect. It is risky for you to rely on one contractor's promises and forum comments. After all, you are going to spend a few hundred K to build this new house,

https://www.malaysianbar.org.my/article/abo...ing-the-new-ccc