This actually an extension to a short discussion in CGS thread >> http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/514380/+160

Maybe it's already time for the scene to have this. A definite ranking to track your performance. To make tournaments more worthy apart from bragging rights, money and prizes.

What would you say to this?

ranking for most of the popular compy games in msia.

Bigger tourney more points, then smaller compy that runs in the same format lesser points.

The main thing is, whos gonna keep track of all the compy lolx.

Great idea chap...i think you can make the first post with different games rankings...you can quote chilaxis recent FIFA ranking and include it in your 1st post under a spoiler...categories other games as well

which player get the most cash prize its the right to judge this

then the cgs player who won the 30k USD contract it's so gonna be at the top of the ranking for few years time lolx

Just reposted from the ACG site provided by Auricom to facilitate discussion. May I enquire how the points of 16 , 8 ,5 and 3 are determined ? Is it tested and proven to be effective from other leagues around the world? And why not use F1 and EPL league ranks for example to rank it ?

Seeding according to this idea will be perfect for future tournaments so it will avoid a lot of controversy of the seedings being done in future tournaments.

Edit : Typo

This post has been edited by underminer: Oct 10 2007, 10:00 AM

GotFrag.com has a comprehensive system developed for CS (based on FIFA) here: http://www.gotfrag.com/cs/nationsrankingrules

I think before we all leap forward and spend countless days/posts to even agree on a standard, nles has raised a valid question:

Who will keep track of all this?

The system I used for Fifa is quite simple.

We take the Top-8 of the tournament.
Top player gets 8 points, 8th player gets 1 point. And based on results superiority, everyone gets their points accordingly.

So ideally, we should have :-
1st place - 8 points
2nd place - 7 points
3rd place - 6 points
4th place - 5 points
5th place - 4 points
6th place - 3 points
7th place - 2 points
8th place - 1 point

Now because in reality, tournaments are either single elim or double elim format. So we have to adjust the scoring system a bit, because although there is a clear top-4, there isn't a clear 5-8 placing.

Single-Elim

1st place - 8 points
2nd place - 7 points
3rd place - 6 points
4th place - 5 points
QF place - ? points
QF place - ? points
QF place - ? points
QF place - ? point

5th to 8th place was supposed to be this way:-
5th place - 4 points
6th place - 3 points
7th place - 2 points
8th place - 1 point

And because now the QFinalists are all equal in status, so we have:-
QF place - (4+3+2+1)/4 points = 2.5 points
QF place - (4+3+2+1)/4 points = 2.5 points
QF place - (4+3+2+1)/4 points = 2.5 points
QF place - (4+3+2+1)/4 points = 2.5 points

So we end up with this for Single Elimination:-
1st place - 8 points
2nd place - 7 points
3rd place - 6 points
4th place - 5 points
QF place - 2.5 points
QF place - 2.5 points
QF place - 2.5 points
QF place - 2.5 point



Double-Elim

1st place - 8 points
2nd place - 7 points
3rd place - 6 points
4th place - 5 points
5-6 place - ? points
5-6 place - ? points
7-8 place - ? points
7-8 place - ? point

For double elim, instead of a clear 5, 6, 7, 8 placing, we have joint 5-6 placing and also joint 7-8 placing.

5th to 6th place was supposed to be this way:-
5th place - 4 points
6th place - 3 points

And because now the 5-6 are now in equal status, so we have:-
5-6 place - (4+3)/2 points = 3.5 points
5-6 place - (4+3)/2 points = 3.5 points

Same goes for 7th to 8th place :-
7-8 place - (2+1)/2 points = 1.5 points
7-8 place - (2+1)/2 points = 1.5 points

So we end up with this for Double-Elim:-
1st place - 8 points
2nd place - 7 points
3rd place - 6 points
4th place - 5 points
5-6 place - 3.5 points
5-6 place - 3.5 points
7-8 place - 1.5 points
7-8 place - 1.5 points

i agree... to me, ranking is more important than money and prizes...

If Korean got KeSPA, Maybe we should have MeSPA(Malaysian eSports Players Association).

yea.. agree this point system, it's pretty fair.. but who do the counting part ?
i suggest,
FIFA = chilaxis
NFS = chapree
CS = Nles
Dota = underminer
they seem contribute much to the community... i think they willing to do so

ranking...a great way to encourage players to improve themselves..surely players want to see their name in the chart rite ......


pes/we ranking: anyone interest to manage? kepet, munwai ?

This post has been edited by vutsi: Oct 11 2007, 07:40 AM

Most definitely willing to continue do so

Probably this is the unofficial Malaysian Gaming Stats Association line-up haha..

I think this is a good idea. You need a third party group to do this kind of tabulation to make sure that there will be fairness all around. However, they need to come up with a procedure for it.

WE PES : ? ----> Munwai

Usually Chilaxis will do the seeding and gave the headmarshal/organizer the results of ranking. Sometimes it alse depends whether the organizer wants to use it or not.

Thank you all for positive feedback. Can see everybody are on the same track.
Will post my own thoughts on this when I get healthier. Been sick for few days already.



The idea have been around for sometime. Just that nobody working fully on it. On a non-commercial real sports body-like basis I mean.
I believe sooner or later, the scene will need this association. With Olympic Council of Asia already have one event that features eSports, we might need it sooner than we thought.

well i have some idea like urs chap...was thinking about it for quite a while...creating a community site which keep track on a local gaming scene , reviews on games, organize malaysia championship tournaments like a malaysian cyber gaming league or something, getting sponsorship to sponsor pro gaming teams make pro gamers get paid to play like its their full-time job and becoming something like MYM , SK-GAMING or TEAM3D. i would not mind sitting down n discussing bout this with u guys. Cos i was thinking if our neighbour country Singapore could bloom in the cyber gaming scene they have pro gaming teams sponsored by big companies, many on going local lan tournaments n parties, even a singapore gaming association. hehe y not malaysia ?

Im really impressed at the local gaming scene recently, after seeing more world class tournaments like WGT , CGS. During my gaming days there was only WCG in 2001 and way before that only local tourneys held by cybercafe's.

This post has been edited by skullfire: Oct 11 2007, 05:57 PM

干吗摆我上台？

I recommend Koross or Auricom for CS lolx

This post has been edited by nles: Oct 11 2007, 07:19 PM

I recommend nlesw0w. Cos he from Klang. HEH

This post has been edited by hisashix: Oct 12 2007, 03:08 AM

I believe many have the same idea. As you mentioned, the ultimate target would be getting the players/teams to be professional.

But let's do it one step at a time.

LOL, hix routing for his homeboy!

Alright, the ranking. This is my thoughts.

Keeping track is not hard actually as our scene doesn't have that many events yet (except for DotA). FIFA and CS already laid down a very strong foundation, we can just adapt their point system with some alteration to make it suitable with respective games.

Since it's already at the end of 2007, I suggest we start in 2008.

Hix juz spent me Bah Kut Teh yesterday so we can rank him as the Top CS Player !!!

xD

er.. someone using my pc and post

i got no time dude, but i can hire someone to do all this man... we can discuss more about this later...

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Added on October 13, 2007, 4:12 pmi personally think all our ideas are good! but in order to make it run, you guys will need a lots of support and a lots of money. i can forge out my own pocket money if im able to help local gaming community grows!

This post has been edited by munwai: Oct 13 2007, 04:12 PM

Thanks for your willingness, bro! We going to pull this off one day.

how are you gonna do the rankings for counterstrike ? by teams or players, most probably the teams (since its a team game).
but, with the constant changes in the lineup it wouldnt be fair/easy/whatever.. since lets say they win this tourney with mr a,b,c,d & e but the next tourney they win with a totally different lineup like mr a,d,f,g & h..

no prob dude, as long as it helps. we are all from malaysia ma!

Here are the results for Fifa07 at WGT for seeding points:-
1st place - 8 points - [W|nDs] Vin
2nd place - 7 points - [W|nDs] Si_Jali
3rd place - 6 points - [MyFes] Warrior
4th place - 5 points - [W|nDs] MaxSim
QFinalist - 2.5 points - [Tornado]Seed
QFinalist - 2.5 points - Brot
QFinalist - 2.5 points - [W|nDs] Loon4tiC
QFinalist - 2.5 points - [W|nDs]Rei

Congratulations to all the above!

So here's the updated 2007 season-ending ranks for Malaysian Fifa after WGT:-

Top 18 Malaysian Fifa Ranking (based on 2007 CELGAMES, WCG, CGS and WGT)
1. [W|nDs] Si_Jali : 23 points (-)
2. [W|nDs] Vin: 22 points (-)
3. [W|nDs] Loon4tiC: 16.5 points (-1)
4. [MyFes] Warrior: 15.5 points (+1)
5. [MyFes] Solidsnake: 10 points (-1)
6. [W|nDs] Al3x: 9.5 points (-1)
7. [MyFes] Arroyos: 8.5 points (-)
8. [W|nDs] Maxsim: 7.5 points (+3)
9. [MyFes] Zietoo: 6 points (-1)
10.[MyFes] Houlivgan: 5 points (-1)
10.[W|nDs] Lleoninho: 5 points (-1)
12.[MyFes] Sildes: 2.5 points (-1)
12.[W|nDs] Des: 2.5 points (-1)
12.[Tornado] Seed: 2.5 points (new)
12. Brot: 2.5 points (new)
12.[W|nDs] Rei: 2.5 points (new)
17.[W|nDs] Juan: 1.5 points (-3)
17. Kayren: 1.5 points (-3)


Points of Interest:-
- Vin achieved a personal record by winning his first championship after consistently getting runner-up positions in no less than 6 major Fifa tourneys over the past 3 years.

- Although Vin won WGT, Si_Jali, the WCG and CELGAMES champion still held on to top ranking, just holding off Vin to be the season ranking no.1.

- Loon4tiC the CGS champion dropped one rank after losing to Warrior in the Quarterfinals, while Warrior moved up one rank by defeating MaxSim and getting 3rd at WGT.

- MaxSim is the top mover after WGT, moving up 3 spots after defeating SolidSnake along the way.

- We have a 3 newcomers to the ranking list, with Tornado clan making a statement through Seed.



Points System
WGT, Celgames, CGS:
1st place - 8 points
2nd place - 7 points
3rd place - 6 points
4th place - 5 points
QFinalist - 2.5 points
QFinalist - 2.5 points
QFinalist - 2.5 points
QFinalist - 2.5 points

WCG:
1st place - 8 points
2nd place - 7 points
3rd place - 6 points
4th place - 5 points
5-6 place - 3.5 points
5-6 place - 3.5 points
7-8 place - 1.5 points
7-8 place - 1.5 points

This post has been edited by chilaxis: Oct 29 2007, 05:06 PM

thx for our FIFA legend , Nigel Goh aka chilaxis to make this points system for us !
congraz Jali to be m'sia FIFA ranking NO1

yeah!

gratz vin on no.2 in Malaysia!

Let c if we can still maintain this nxt year ok! ^^

im no 4 at malaysia..yeah...
1st time smpi tahap nie..yea...