[Apr 2025 Update] Finally, Wifi7 addin card, M.2 NVME adaptor card, & Gundams!!! https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=111423779
[Sept 2024 Update] LGA Contact Frame, hole grommets, 500GB HDD, and ARGB blingz! https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=110531724
[June 2024 Update] Tuned my RAM timings down as I cannot up the speed higher with my NonK CPU https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=109967018
[Feb 2024 Update] Add 'new' 1TB HDD, bigger front intake fans, fan rubber stubs, fine mesh filter at chassis rear, CPU cooler & GPU combi holder support https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=109256023
[Dec 2023 Update] New ADATA XPG GAMMIX S70 Blade Gen4x4 M2 NVME 2TB SSD https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=108863141
[Nov 2023 Update] Replacement of Intel stock cooler with home improved Mugen 5 RevB CPU cooler https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=108629296
[June 2023 Update] Additional of Teamgroup DeltaRGB 16GB (8x2) DDR4 3600 RAMs https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=107604668

Wassup guys,

Thanks to everyone's comments & critic in my previous post about my proposed build,
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5279514

I finally built my PC during 11.11 sales tho it took me a month to post it up as I was away for a while and then were doing some memory XMP tweaking when I got back. Haha.

Anyhow during the months in between, my specs have largely changed somewhat as below:

Core i7 12700F + RM1 stock cooler (unchanged)

Asrock B660M PG Riptide (15 power phase goodness & works with 4x RAM at XMP)
https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/B660M%20PG%...ptide/index.asp

Teamgroup Delta RGB 3600MHZ 8GB x 2 (saw review it can do 4x 3600MHZ RAMs at XMP)
https://www.teamgroupinc.com/en/product/delta-rgb-ddr4

Where all three were reviewed to be working at full unlocked PL2 comfortably, with 4x 3600MHZ DDR4 ram. Plus aftermarket cooler.
(shout out to Tech Yes City) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3vwAt3J-Sg

Manli Geforce RTX 3060Ti (the manliest card brand whatmore can I say HAHA! But at RM1598 its one of the cheapest)
https://www.manli.com/en/product-detail-Man...+N630)-291.html
https://videocardz.net/manli-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-8gb

FSP HV PRO85+ 650W 80+Bronze (this is the newer 85+ version)
https://www.fsplifestyle.com/en/product/HVPROBR650W.html

Tecware Nexus Air TG (unchanged)
https://www.tecware.co/nexusair

24" LG 24MP400-B (budget IPS monitor, meh 75Hz refresh rate)
https://www.lg.com/my/monitors/lg-24mp400-b


Parts reused:
256GB Adata SP900 SATA SSD (MLC goodness plus my ori Win10 is reused)
4TB 3.5" SATA HDD (internal storage)
4TB WD HDD (external storage via rear 3.0USB)
1TB USB HDD (external storage via rear 3.0USB)
1.5TB Seagate HDD (external storage via rear 3.0USB)
1.5TB Seagate HDD (external storage via rear 3.0USB)
*Maximised my rear USBs LOL

Total cost is a bit under RM 5000. However for the system only (minus the monitor), you could say it is a RM 4.5K system and that is with Alderlake i7 and 3060Ti.

Overall impression, I've been working on these specs since June and making changes along the months until I made the buy so, can I say I am a lil bit disappointed there wasn't any surprises? Maybe. Only the RAM performance did not do as I had expected.

I'll be going into the RAM section to ask some advice about it as my RAM just barely couldn't make it for 3600MHZ.

Anyhow I'm quite satisfied for now but this is not the end as my PC will be a long term work in progress of constant improvements.

I will post some individual parts reviews, benchmarks when I have the time but for now here is my nondescript sleeper PC build.



Interior shot


Stay tuned!

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Apr 1 2025, 01:37 AM

Grats on your new rig. Perhaps, get Thermalright Peerless Assassin so that your CPU can flex its muscles.

Congrats.

Might want to replan how your data stored, consider having redundancy and for important files to have backup. Files corruption and dead HDD will hit without notice.

If you play long hour of high graphics game, I doubt your Intel stock fan can give you optimum temp to give your processor to run optimum performance.

Some benchmarks I did. Not really sure if these are okay results, considering Im using stock cooler and underspec RAM. Anyways:

Intel XTU


Sisoft Sandra


PC Mark 10


Timespy (for some reason it gives me GPU score only and no CPU score]


Cinebench23 (single & multicore) - had throttled on this test

Thanks. PA120 is really good for its price but dual towers are for me a bit meh since nearly all will have front fan overlap the RAM. So Im looking towards single towers and spotted this quite a rare beast;
Thermalright Burst Assassin 120
http://www.thermalright.com/product/burst-assassin-120/


It has the same 6 heatpipes, convex coldplate, and 245W TDP, plus it has perfect RAM clearance for LGA1700 mobo setup with 4x RAMs.

Considering a full PL2 unlocked 12700 will peak at 180+W it would stay comfy under full load with the BA120 thermal headroom.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Dec 17 2022, 02:21 AM

Hey thanks for the suggestion! Yeah my storage choice was a bit weird, as I had been using external HDDs basically as additional storage as they were permanently hooked up to my previous PC and the same as well with this new build. All in all after using the ported over SATA SSD, it didn't feel all that slow so delay a bit on the upgrade to my storages.

My long term plan for upgrades will be something like this;

2023 CPU tower cooler(thinking of Thermalright BA120 as above) > 2024 512GB/1TB Nvme Gen4 SSD @4-6k MBps (perhaps Crucial P5Plus) > 2H2024/2025 another 8+8GB TeamGroup DDR4 3600 RAM sticks (to fully occupy my RAM slots) > 2026 2/4TB Nvme Gen4/5/6? SSD @7+k MBps > 2027 xx70/xx80 level GPU + higher watt PSU.

The RAM upgrade I might bring it earlier if I foresee DDR4 might soon be discontinued or worse a price hike incoming.

Hey thanks for your comments! Well mine is nonK so you'd be surprised that it keeps to within 80oC during gaming with averaging 60+oC. Even the stock fan only spins to <3000rpm so the noise from it isnt that unbearable. Yes its not really optimum as the tau defaults to 65W atm using stock cooler. But I will change that following my upgrade path. With the BA120 headroom, I will then unlock the full PL2 potential of this CPU.

While the PSU isn't exactly great, congratulations on your new build!

wow, so this is the build u mentioned, gratz!

wondering, hows the stock CPU cooler , decent?

and manli 3060ti, working good? im looking for 3060ti too, this price range also got gainward ghost.. duno which to choose.

I just done some cleaning on my liquid cooler fans. It give me average of 42~45°C. Normal gaming it run around 60~65°C. While heavy graphics game, it could keep me below 80°C while duing video processing with Adobe Premiere Pro it keep me below 88°C. BY the way, I'm running on AMD processor.

This post has been edited by jonathanYYDS: Dec 19 2022, 08:00 AM

congrats nice build. need more rgb. rgb makes the pc go faster!

You can refer this https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5341702 as I am doing a separate parts review. Gainward, Palit & PNY are basically the same company with equally B-tier cards so it is up to you but do check out my complete review where I point out much similarities with my Manli 3060 Ti.

I must be doing something wrong as I prefer to turn off whatever little RGB it comes with. Lesson learned. Hu hu

See this link below for a personal review of my Manli Geforce RTX 3060 Ti




https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5341702

Postscript: I completed my 3 part review of this card. Please have a look.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Dec 26 2022, 01:50 AM

Also if any one could help me with my RAM settings question on tweaking to get back 3600MHZ and run stably would be greatly appreciated
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...0&p=106157950&#

Perhaps next I will do a review of my Nexus Air case as I found something interesting that online reviewers did not highlight. So stay tuned....

Did you fix the RAM with the suggestions on that thread?

Hi, not yet. Still reading up on the bios flash and what to do if shit happens. Mine doesnt come with bios flashback so am a bit concern.

What do you think of Asrock bios flashing? Can a noob like me get it right first time?

Just finished the review of my case, the Tecware Nexus Air.


Please go to this thread https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...#entry106285011

Do note this is the midtower Air and not the more commonly reviewed Nexus Air M which is the MATX version.

This post has been edited by buraqdunia: Jan 4 2023, 03:26 AM

Edit

This post has been edited by buraqdunia: Jan 4 2023, 03:25 AM

Thanks for the advice. And yes I am running with a UPS. Have been doing that since a few years ago because previously with it, I had a few blackouts which hard crashed and corrupted my Windows a few times so badly that it also killed by SSD.

A tip for those who would like to get replacement Intel CPU label stickers.

This method I used to get the Intel label for this 12700F rig. Haha

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=5357413

After 8 months, my rig had its first upgrade.

Mainly due my paranoia and worry that I might get missmatched RAMs which could affect system stability, I finally caved in and bought a matching RAM kit to the one that came in my system.

This Teamgroup Delta RGB 3600MHZ 8GBx2 18-22-22-42


At that time this kit was selling at RM378 (from the same shop that sold me my system), and had been holding there for the many months I have been tracking on both Lazada & Shopee. Yes it was ridiculously expensive when DRAM prices were dropping so much earlier this year. So when I found it dropped to RM 274, I quickly purchased.

An upshot to the high prices was this particular kit did not move much stocks during the 8 months I have been tracking so when I bought I asked if they could select the stock with matching paired serial numbers closest to my current system RAM sticks.

It was a big hope, but lo & behold the RAM kit I got was just a couple of serial digits apart from those in my current system.

Super lucky that I still can quad match my RAM sticks despite so many months apart! Woo hoo!

Installation was therefore smooth and seamlessly easy. The Asrock mobo automatically detected the extra RAMs and I didn't have to touch the XMP profile that I had already manually tuned for the existing 2 sticks I had.


Turning on the RGB lighting the all 4 sticks running synchronously, I can see the appeal of having some lighting


After a brief moment of waiting the memory learning process, it booted into Windows at first attempt. So far so good and this is running @G1.


This post has been edited by babylon52281: Jul 3 2023, 12:11 AM

CPUZ showed the new RAM stick SPD data and XMP profile. So far so good.


Extracting the SPDs via Thaiphoon, it confirms that all 4 RAM sticks are from the same batch & manufactured at the same time. RAM chips are all from Micron but incomplete part numbers shown for all four.


So next a series of RAM tests to check for any instabilities. Testing was done in a 2+ weeks time period as some test spanned a few days and I had to retest a few others.

First up is Memtest86. All green so so far so good.


Next is Memtestpro which I did for 12-15hrs iinm, and I stopped it once passed 2400% without a single error.


Then next I ran Windows Memory Diagnostics. I did 2 runs on different days both which also passed. Still good.


After that I hammered with TestMem5, running 3 cycles each for 1usmus_v3 and Extreme1@anta777. Both also passed.


The biggest hurdle was OCCT AVX2 memory test, and this time it caught 3 memory errors.


But overall the system was still stable, so being dissatisfied I did a customised maximum system stress load test, utilising TestMem5 for the RAM, Furmark for the GPU & MSI Kombustor for the CPU.


As you can see from the sidebar monitor, the simulated stress test fully loads & pushes nearly everything to the max except GPU VRAM.
After running without hang or crash, I am finally happy the system has proven to be stable enough for me despite the bad mark from OCCT.

A final run with 3D Mark Timespy & Firestrike did not find any issues.

PS And about those Micron chips, what info I gathered from Reddit seems to point that these are E-dies tho without the complete part names I cannot be fully certain.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Jul 3 2023, 12:31 AM

Its been a while but here is a review of my next upgrade with a 2nd hand Scythe Mugen 5 RevB with a LGA1700 adaptor kit.


Link: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5422872



This post has been edited by babylon52281: Nov 26 2023, 07:26 PM

Alrighty just to cap out 2023 before I head out for New Year celebrate, this upgrade came a lot more sooner than I planned as am still happily rocking my SATA SSD running Win10, but due to the (back then) eminent SSD price rising I took the opportunity during 11.11 sales to get an ADATA XPG GAMMIX S70 Blade 2TB @RM499.


After vouchers & coins deducted the final price paid is RM 427 (inc delivery).

This is a full fat Gen4x4 NVME SSD rated to 7400MB/s read & 6800MB/s writes.


Main reason I went for it being less popular than the Samsungs, WDs, & pletora of Phison based drives. Yep shocking isnt it, the brains is an Innogrit IG5236CAA running 4 chips of ADATA branded B47R Micron TLC NAND, driving such high speeds via 2x1GB Samsung DDR4 DRAMs.
The IG controller is a pretty big chip, neccessitating this to be dual sided where NAND & DRAM are placed on both sides of the PCB.

Another key reason was its cheaper price as compared to other comparable SSD; Kingston KC3000 were in the RM 55x while Samsung 990Pro & WD SN850X are even pricier.

One thing I liked about this SSD is the drive comes as a bare unit and the heatsink is optional, allowing to use direct contact with my mobo SSD heatsink.

And ohh boy there is a huge difference in cooling potential, as the XPG heatsink plate is only 1mm thick as compared to my mobo Asrock M2 Armor (4mm thickness).



Keeping the ADATA provided heatsink, I may be able to use it in future when I replace it and relegate the S70 to the secondary M2 slot (also a Gen4x4).



This post has been edited by babylon52281: Jan 1 2024, 10:00 PM

I am no pro SSD reviewer so I can only benchmark my results using the more well known testers.

ADATA own Toolbox Tester


Crystal DiskMark (Read is slightly below specs while write is a tiny bit below specs)


AS SSD


Hammering it with AS SSD compression write showed a dip with drive over 80% written. Impressive, this is the benefit of an onboard DRAM.


Anvil Storage Utilities


4K Random Read (Above specs 750k IOPS)


4K Random Write (Above specs 750k IOPS)

Copying to & fro my SATA SSD to this NVME SSD maxed out the SATA3 bandwidth without any dips


Lastly a test using MS Direct Storage 1.2 Avocado benchmark. Comparison with netizen bench results showed that Im nearly there, lacking in their RTX4090 GPU only.


But more impressively is that my near ancient ADATA SP900 SATA SSD is doing not too bad in comparison, somehow achieving NVME Gen3 speeds


Anyways, that it for now. If there is anything amiss or you would like me to test, do let me know. But I plan to transfer my Windows to this very soon so by then all testing will cease.

Bye for now!

Hey guys,

Since I had a long break for CNY, I planned for a few minor improvements to my PC

1) I recently replaced my work PC 1TB HDD to SSD, so without a use for this drive anymore I brought it back to fill up another empty SATA slot. I mount it in the case HDD cage using a 3.5" to 2.5" adaptor.


2) I decided I want to maximise the cooling performance so firstly I changed out the front 3x120mm case stock fans with 2x140mm & 1x120mm Scythe Kaze Flex RGB fans in a 140-120-140 arrangement


Why such an oddly sized fan array?
Scythe's 140mm & 120mm has a higher RPM range and better efficiency at pushing air thru, however the Nexus Air case only can support 3x120 or 2x140 fan sizes. By going with a round 140mm fan size I can just about squeeze a 120mm square fan in between.

Why Scythe RGB fans?
No reason in particular, it was the cheapest 140mm round fan I can find and the RGB is just an extra plus.

I also replaced all fan mounting screws with rubber fan stubs to dampen any vibrations coming from these case fans including the rear stock fan. I then moved the stock case fans to the top mount so they can vent heat out the top.

3) With greater airflow comes more dust intake into the case. To tackle this issue I did 2 additions.

At front I put on 3x 140mm fine mesh filters.


These are magnetic so they stick on the steel front grille really well. It also helps that this particular case has a flat front grille profile.

As you can see it already captured a noticeable amount of dust particles.

The next addition is a bit more janky as I fashioned out rear filters from a fine porous filter bag secured to the case walls with magnetic stripes. It helps to keep dust out while remain breathable for air/heat to go thru


The top portion above the rear fan also gotten the filter.

Lastly I wanted some spare USB ports at the rear since all mobo rear ports are used and I had a free voucher from Shopee, so I gotten a rear panel USB 2.0 expansion. It sits hidden above the GPU top most PCIE slot.


Lastly lastly, just for the heck of it because I had another free Shopee voucher, I replaced the PCIE slots screws with a set of thumbscrews that you would find on premium branded cases.


Imho it helps elevate to look more expensive than a typical budget case.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Mar 1 2024, 11:39 PM

Oh and I added a CPU cooler & GPU combi support holder during the same update.


Full details is at my Mugen 5 review tered https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=109215207

During last Raya weekend I wanted to fine tune my RAM timings because why not

A summary post I put up in RAM Handbook tered if this is too long https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=109966938

My hellish journey of RAM tuning actually started on Friday nite when this time, I didnt want to repeat killing my Windows OS again thru boot looping instability, I therefore made a scratch boot OS on my spare HDD so that can I use for test boots and all the RAM testing. Lesson learnt, in case this Windows corrupts , I can ditch it to reinstall and redo easily. Luckily this time I didnt have to do that and maybe its because this round had a better bios

And coming to that, I had on Bios 5.01 for my Asrock B660M PG Riptide mobo, I did try XMP 3600MHZ @Gear1 again but while it booted to Windows (YAY!) it was still not stable to pass a RAM test (boo!).
It still managed to set an Aida64 benchmark as baseline:


So started on Saturday morning, by keeping speeds at 3466MHZ while maintaining Gear1 mode and voltage at XMP 1.35V, I step by step lower timings, starting with CL, then both tRCD & tRP, then tRAS, each time going thru hours of testing (Memtest86, TestMemPro, TM5 w/ Absolut).
Once tRAS passes, I rinse & repeat again by reducing CL, then the rest, again and again finally end up with


Before it was XMP default CL18-22-22-42
The final timings that I feel comfortable to drop down is CL16-18-18-37 HECK YEAH!

Theoretically my First Word Latency went from a poor 10.3ns down to 9.2ns.

I could probably try go further down but the last tRAS drop to 36 caused TM5 to CTD so bumping up a notch I finally stopped. And because I ran out of tuning days, it was ady Monday nite...

Compared before & after, Aida64 showed some significant gains in Read (+1890), Write (+6962) & Copy (+6180) but the big change comes from Latency (-17.5ns !)

Stress testings then began...
MemTest86 - ALL PASSED


TestMem5 with Absolut & Extreme profiles - ALL PASSED


HCI MemtestPro & Intel BurnTest - BOTH PASSED


Running OCCT RAM test (AVX2 for 1Hr) had failed before but this round IT PASSED TOO!


In between, I did more other testings; TestMem5 with 1usmus, Windows Memory Diagnostics, Intel XTU RAM test, XTU benchmark (scored 7192 points), YCrunch, Prime95, Cinebench 15,20,23 - ALL PASSED...

So I spent most of last weekend just waiting and waiting and waiting for the various RAM test to complete, each and every run.
At end of it all...



This will be my setup going forward from now unless I encounter any later instability issues. I did have some niggling boot issues tho...

Wassup guys!

During the long weekend holidays, I made some additions to my PC.

The biggest one that I added is LGA1700 ILM replacement frame! Yes, I finally made the jump!


This in particular is Shopee/China clone of Thermalright's version which is a clone of DerBauer's version. Cloneception haha.

Although at half the price of TR's its not a cheap arsed clone as looks exactly like TR's and it fits just as perfectly plus it also has insulating contact pads similar to stock ILM.


Installation was pretty easy, but I did take a bit more precaution to ensure even pressure on all 4 sides:
1. Following GN method, I back rotated the screws until the threads fall into the hole with a click sound. Then give it a 90 degree turn to latch onto the thread grooves.
2. Once all screws are secured, I used liquid paper to mark each screw datum point.
3. Starting from Screw 1 then I turned 180 degrees, doing the same with Screw 4, then Screw 2, then Screw 3 in cross pattern.
4. Once I feel resistance, I continue tighten in 90 degrees instead.
5. I tighten down until I feel a hard wall where it cannot go anymore. With this method I found that Screw 1, 2, 4 stops nearly same position while Screw 3 needed a bit more angle to fully tighten.


I found that with this method, I had no problems booting up at first go and I didn't even have to default RAM speed, it was perfectly stable.

Results I got is 91oC @174W with ambient 32oC as compared to previous max of 96oC @173W with ambient 29oC (before the LGA frame), so if I normalise temps to delta T ambient, I am actually 8oC lower with the new contact frame. Looking at the chart, I can say it works really well for my case.


Stability test went smoothly, in fact I read that some modders had to turn off XMP but I booted with my XMPed tuned RAM settings and passed Intel extreme burn test. Idle temps hovering at 4oC above ambient.


This post has been edited by babylon52281: Sep 29 2024, 12:41 AM

Next update I put in was some grommets for the PSU shroud cover where I find most cases, even expensive ones, don't have.

Because there are no ready sized ones, I modded some general purpose oval ones by selecting a length longer than the holes to cover and I cut off the roundels. This gives an oblong which matches the hole.

Next addition is adding a used 500 GB WD Black HDD as extra storage which I harvested from my workplace since we are switching over to SSD now. With this I maxed out all the SATA ports on my mobo. I still have a spare NVME M2 port remaining...



This post has been edited by babylon52281: Sep 29 2024, 12:16 AM

Next addon is probably something for the future, seeing that my GPU is 2 slots which meant the only PCIE slot is not practical for use bumping up against that GPU.

So I gotten a X1 riser in order to 'move' that slot away to make use of it.


However I have nothing planned for it so it remains open for now.



This post has been edited by babylon52281: Sep 29 2024, 12:23 AM

Last to add, you can see most of my mods seen here are quality of life stuff & for performance sake but haha I finally gave in to the RGB virus! Just for looks I added an ARGB strip lighting. Behold my PC now spews rainbow vomit!



With its magnetic backing I mounted it closer to the glass side. Now it is a true gamers PC LOL!

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Sep 29 2024, 12:30 AM

Hi guys,

New updates time! It is something that I keep pushing back for a long while mainly because I have a workaround so far. The mod this time is an add-in BE200 Wifi7 M.2 card. Coming as a set, it includes a plethora of stuff; PCIE slot brackets, Wifi antennas & RF cables to the card, screws & screwdrivers too



I didnt want to use either of those PCIE bracket rather I wanted to make use of the mobo own mounting for Wifi sockets. Due to the VRM heatsinks, there is no easy way to slot in the antenna connectors without taking out that VRM heatsink but to do that I would have to remove the mobo as well.

But because I am lazy, I tried using tweezers to guide the antenna sockets under the VRM heatsink and into the mobo built-in IO shield. It was a finicky procedure, not able to see under while making sure the orientation is matching to the IO shield.


Once the GPU is installed, the wifi card practically 'disappears' from view:


With the antennas installed here is how the rear IO looks:


This post has been edited by babylon52281: Apr 1 2025, 01:25 AM

Another new addition more towards the future is a PCIE to M.2 NVME add-in card. This goes with the previously installed X1 riser cable to convert the mobo sole free X1 PCIE slot for extra SSD storage in the future.

And lastly with the GPU being extra heavy for some reason, I also need to add 3 Gundams to hold it in place to prevent catastrophic sagging.