let just said that when the day come remember i had warned you

effortless? well, that didn't went very well with judas isn't it.

even disciples need to constant battle with their bodies. for example paul, hints: last verse of 1 conrithians 9. and for the starter, try study bible using translation that use 'word for word' method. for exmple ESV

So Desmond,

If you think 1 Corinthians 9:27 is saying what it is, and you want word for word do you beat your body a blow? until it's bruised (translation says below the eye and all) for this?

Better yet.

Do you obey to gouge out your eyes as what Christ commanded? If you lust....Cut off your arms?

Amputated?

Yes the workings of God in the believers life in changing the person is effortless IE nothing to do with your exerted effort.

What has Judas got to do with this? He was lost due to something else. Nothing to do with 1 Corinthians 9:27.

I notice what I said in Post #277 was conveniently not answered.

I wonder why?

All I'm seeing now are insinuations of what is not said but being pushed as if it was said.

I call that slander.

So much talk of darkness and he is the one doing it.

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And nobody is talking about mind power. My goodness.

The comprehension is horrible.

Okay so how do you deal with sin in this context?

define 'something else' will you

and what on earth Matthew 18:9 gotta do with 1 Corinthian 9:27?

and what on earth that gonna do with 'word for word' translation and 'thought for thought' translation?

the danger of 'thought for thought' translation is always with the denomination bias of the translator while 'word for word' translation has this problem but at much lesser extent. literal translation of bible is always better, as reader can then form their own opinion with help of HS. while thought for though translation is rather dangerous when translator try to slip in their bias.



anyway, do your eye really make you sin? is it not the lust within that make you sin? isn't it that even you are without your sensory organ that you are still capable of sinning?

oh wait, sin doesn't matter for you anymore.

Judas did not believe Jesus was the Messiah.

I'll ask you in return, what has 1 Corinthians 9:27 got to do with him?

That was what you ask for in Post #281?

Oh you don't know? Your eye is a gateway?

Matthew 18:9 (ESV) And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire.


My My. The one who think I don't know what sin is.

so, you eyes is the one that make you sins? not the lust within you?

oh my

and how does you know Judas never believed in Jesus?

psychic power again?

This post has been edited by desmond2020: Mar 5 2023, 04:24 PM

Billy W.
Was Judas ever saved?


Friday, May 06, 2016
Growing up I was taught to believe that Judas, the betrayer, was never saved. That since he betrayed Christ, and scripture says in the end he was possessed by Satan (Luke 22:3), that he was never saved. Scripture also says that Judas was a child of Satan and doomed to destruction (John 17:12)



This faulty understanding came from faulty foundations:

I believed that because someone was destined for destruction, they couldn’t have ever been saved.
I believed that if you were a true believer, you could never abandon your faith.


Matthew 10:1-8

Jesus summoned His twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every kind of disease and every kind of sickness.

Now the names of the twelve apostles are these: The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; and James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; Simon the Zealot, and Judas Iscariot, the one who betrayed Him.

These twelve Jesus sent out after instructing them: “Do not go in the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans; but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.



Christ is sending the 12 disciples out to teach and show the miraculous power of God. A disciple is a follower of Christ; one who has put faith (even as small as a mustard seed) in the Lord. This is the same word for disciple that Jesus uses in Matt 28:19, in that we should “make disciples.”



Things to highlight

Jesus summoned 12
Jesus gave them authority
Judas is specifically mentioned as one of the 12, and thus one of them that received authority
These 12 went out
These 12 freely received and were to freely give


And in the same context…



Matthew 10:16

“Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves.



In the same context of the 12 going out, Christ says that He sent them out as sheep.



Judas was one of the 12 who freely received, and who had been given authority, and was counted by Christ as one of His sheep. The Spirit was with Judas, as Judas had the power to heal, cast out demons, and raise the dead.



John 17:6-12

“I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. Now they have come to know that everything You have given Me is from You; for the words which You gave Me I have given to them; and they received them and truly understood that I came forth from You, and they believed that You sent Me. I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours; and all things that are Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine; and I have been glorified in them. I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are. While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them was lost but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.



In John 17, Jesus is praying specifically for His twelve disciples. What does He say:

They were the Fathers, and He gave them to the Son
They had received and truly understood who Christ was, and they believed in Him
Christ was glorified in them


Christ says that not one of them were lost, except the son of perdition. Christ is speaking of Judas. Judas was lost. He cannot be lost unless he was not lost at one time. He was a sheep, and had been lost because he willfully wandered away from the Lord.



Christ has promised to keep and protect us (John 10:25-30), and that’s what He did with the disciples here. But the power to keep us remains so long as we remain, by faith, in Him:



1 Peter 1:3-5

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By his great mercy he gave us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, that is, into an inheritance imperishable, undefiled, and unfading. It is reserved in heaven for you, who by God’s power are protected through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.



If we deny Him, He will deny us (2 Tim. 2:11-13).



Just because Judas was doomed to destruction, and that God knew in advance that Judas would betray Him, does not mean that he was not of the faith at one time. Judas is very much like the prophet Balaam; both believed and were given the blessing of supernatural spiritual gifts, and yet they both fell away from their faith and ceased to abide in Him. They did not endure until the end, but chased after their own pleasures.



Matthew 7:22-23

On that day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons and do many powerful deeds?’ Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you. Go away from me, you lawbreakers!’



Christ gives a similar parable with the ten virgins who had oil (the Holy Spirit) and walked away, and likewise Christ says that He didn’t know them (Matt.25:11-12).



Christ says that at the judgment, many will say they prophesied, cast out demons, and performed miracles in His name.



These people are not mere professors of faith without works and without practice, but people who had genuine good and powerful works. These people have many works, and they will call on Jesus Himself to testify to their works on Earth. They also did their works in the Lord’s name and by His power.



Christ states that at the judgment, He will say to them that He never knew them; go away from me you lawbreakers. These people were of the faith (and obeying the gospel), but walked away and became lawless (not obeying the gospel of faith).



Some may point out that Christ says that “He never knew” these people, meaning that at no time were these people true born-again believers. This goes against scriptures teaching that we can know those that are children of God (1 John 3:7-8, 10; Matt.7:16-17; Acts 11:22-23).



God is omniscient, and God know all things and all people. No one would deny this. We know that Christ doesn’t mean that He never knew these people in this way. Christ is speaking of His eternal omniscience, and Him knowing the eternal outcome of history.



Scripture teaches that a righteous man (righteousness only comes by faith) that turns to wickedness and never repents back to the Lord will die in their sin. The Lord says that He will not remember their righteous works (they will be under His wrath at the judgment). God can obviously not forget, but the eternal perspective is that they never had righteous works, because they willfully walked away from the Lord. This is the same idea with Matt.7:22-23. Christ always knew these people would abandon Him, just like He knew Judas would abandon Him (Psalm 41:9). Eternally, He never knew them.



For a detailed study on our keeping and maintaining our faith, see Part 5b of the Master Plan and Purpose for Mankind.

The toxicity of the hyper grace teachings of Joseph Prince.

https://www.revgeorgeong.com/yvonne-tans-te...99-to-jan-2021/

this one resonates with me.

hope other christians understand this

u need to be weak and helpless like a child

a true christian is someone who is weak and humble all the time

a true christian is honest and says to himself and to God that he cannot stop sinning

never relying on his strength for his righteousness and never want to judge others

Thank you Bro.

This is scripture truth.

LOL, from the above replies it's confirm that you're just arguing everything against me on purpose even if yours doesn't make any sense.

Yes Jesus Christ himself said If your eyes caused you to sin, that was from the lips of God himself.

You're doubting Bible now?

So you're saying Judas was saved?????

Oh my.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 6 2023, 08:43 AM