James, Paul, PETER, all were sinners and all had Sin before and after the are saved.
They are not sinless.. they only SIN-LESS

But all your claims are your ASSUMPTIONS AT BEST..
You're delusional to assume from one chapter and placed the same assumption to another chapter, and best part is filter off all other Bible verses that says otherwise..
Galations 2:12,"For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision."
How can you jump into the conclusions so they are instructions from JAMES?
This merely says it comes from where James holds certain position!
and with that you added SO MANY WORDS into your own understanding to fit the picture you want to build? Or was it something you read from other commentary?

Did you really understand Galations 2:14
"But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?"

This was a matter of JEWS and GENTILES!
Where Peter still hold to customs by the JEWS and the LAW!

Have you read the Trail of Blood ?
Did you think God would allow His word to die off or be absent?
Matthew 24:34 - 35,"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."

The only problem is because Protestants are from the Catholics, they still hold on to MANY Catholic church traditions and they teach it to people like you, which WILL BELIEVE, because you are not taught at the very basic, to JUST RELY ON THE BIBLE!!

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Other online commenters who quite agree with me regarding James being a false teacher and false Christian, wrt justification for salvation from hell, .......

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https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/ques...lict-with-peter - 9 years ago - what-role-did-james-have-in-pauls-conflict-with-peter?

Galatians 2:11 Paul withstood Peter to his face. “For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.

While many would like to say that everything was kosher between James, the twelve and Paul, the Greek word used here for "fearing" is phobeo, meaning to put to flight, terrify, to frighten. Strong's Phobeo Greek Why is James "sending" men to see what is going on with the disciples and Paul?

Why are those "sent by James" causing terror in Peter? So much so that he would withdraw himself from eating with Gentiles? Just think of Peter doing this after receiving the vision from God. He was the one who preached the gospel to the Gentiles. I think we know the answer. He feared for his life.

As a result, Paul withstood Peter to his face because he was to be blamed. This noteworthy error of Peter was done publicly and Paul admonished him publicly. Galatians 2:14, is the only occurrence in scripture that the word "Judaize" is used. Paul used the word when he asked Peter why he Judaized the Gentiles.

Ἰουδαΐζω Ioudaḯzō, ee-oo-dah-id'-zo; from G2453; to become a Judæan, i.e. "Judaize":—live as the Jews.

Paul, in Acts and his epistles, exposes the problem with James. He does so with such elegance and tact that the reader barely notices. Paul's scholarly education and articulate writing skills may have helped to extend his life during a very hostile time for the early Christians in Jerusalem. Let's not forget how Christians begged Paul to not go to Jerusalem knowing that he would be imprisoned or killed. (Acts 21:11-12)

Perhaps, in true Jewish custom, James saw an opportunity to gain social status seeing how he was the half brother of Jesus. Did he think he would spin off a new priesthood after the order of Christ? We find James at the head of the church of Jerusalem teaching contrary to the gospel of grace without a hint of Jesus authorizing him to do so.

The authors of the gospels are sure to note that the brothers and sisters of Jesus did not believe he was the Messiah. In fact, the gospels document that his brothers mocked him. See John 7:1-5.

Paul had two witnesses to his Damascus Road conversion. The Jewish requirement to establish an event. Not so for James. In fact, Paul notes that James claimed he saw the resurrected Christ in a quick list of those who witnessed the risen Lord.

Let's examine the conflict between the doctrines of Paul and James, and what we are witnessing in the letters.

Galatians 1:6-9 “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”

Galatians 2:3 Yet not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, even though he was a Greek. 4This matter arose because some false believers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves. 5We did not give in to them for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you.

Galatians 2:6 As for those who were held in high esteem—whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not show favoritism—they added nothing to my message.

The Just Shall Live By Faith
Paul - Galatians 2:16 “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.”

James - James 2:24 “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.”

Paul – Romans 3:28 “Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.”

Paul – Galatians 3 emphasis on 3:11 “But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.” And the law is not of faith: but, the man that doeth them shall in them.”

The Law of Liberty
Paul - The law of liberty is NOT the law of Moses - Romans 8:2 “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh.”

James - The law of Moses IS the law of liberty – James 1:25 “But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed indeed.”

The Levitical Priesthood
Paul – The Aaronic (Levitical) priesthood has been disannulled. Heb. 7:11 “If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

James –The Aaronic (Levitical) priesthood has NOT been disannulled. Acts 21 (entire chapter) especially verse 17 wherein Paul was taken to James and the elders and told to purify himself which ultimately require him to take an offering of to the priest at the temple, which is animal sacrifice. Paul did purify himself but did not offer the sacrifice. This is evidenced in Acts 24:18. Paul had only announced the date of the completion of the purification, and was cast out of the temple. Why is James conducting purification rites and offering blood sacrifices? Any blood sacrifice post the risen Christ is an affront to Almighty God.
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Conclusion
While many seek to force harmony, James played a big role in the conflict between Paul and Peter. The reality is Peter allowed James to usurp the authority of the church at Jerusalem and the early Christians became Judaized. By the time Paul was martyred nearly every church he planted had been seduced by those who were Judaizing the Gentile converts from Jerusalem.

We witness from the epistles that Peter, John and others end up writing very similar to Paul and not advocating old covenant law observance contrary to what we witness coming from James. Peter called Paul's writings scripture. I Peter 3:16-18.

These obvious contradictions are what prompted Martin Luther to say the book of James should not have been included in the Canon. I disagree with the reformer. It was needful for the book of James to be included so that we could rightly divide the Word of God. Jesus and Paul taught identically, with the only difference between them being their audience. Jesus' audience was old covenant Israel/Jews and Paul was sent by Jesus to new covenant Israel, Jews and Gentiles.


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answered by Apologetics Apr 7 at 5:38
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Please show proof and list out the Catholic traditional teachings which Protestant people like me still believe in.
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The very fact you don’t base your believes in the Bible is the evident results.
Let’s look at baby baptism…

No doubt Protestant churches have preached the Gospel.. But sadly not all have preached the Word of God and understand it..

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AFAIK, most Protestant people like me do not believe in baby baptism.

Which Protestant Church still believe in baby baptism.? Fyi, I'm Baptist.
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A whole huge segment on someone commenting?
A whole huge segment of assumptions from what ifs… and perhaps…
That’s how you learn to understand the Bible? Through perhaps and what ifs?
The Bible is COMPLETE! And is so direct , yet you ignore it?
All your quotes from these so called people, all were tackled on from the past replies
At least one thing is clear, where your “source” is from and it’s not the Bible. Merely the understanding of SOMEONE ELSE of Bible.
That’s why, you rather read COMMENTARIES then based it on what the BIBLE plainly has said..

You know what makes false prophets so successful? Is when they add their own thoughts , some FAKE, some even merely OPINIONS AND ASSUMPTIONS, and the COMBINE it with the truth.. lo and behold that’s what you are sharing

Fact check your understanding with the Bible.. any commentary beyond that and you’re basing your salvation on them, NOT the BIBLE

This post has been edited by zanness: Jul 30 2024, 05:42 PM

Clearly you have NO IDEA on the other 'Protestant' churches

Do you know what the BAPTIST doctrines are???

If so, then you really gotta check your understanding that you can 'lose' your salvation with your pastor.

The best part is, you even quote people who are NOT baptists!! and you start believing what THEY SAY ?
and not the BIBLE??



This post has been edited by zanness: Jul 30 2024, 05:54 PM

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Similarly for you agreeing with the idle-babbling commenter below who may be a false prophet/teacher like JAMES. .......

2TIMOTHY.2: = 14 Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers. 15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. 17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”


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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Jul 30 2024, 05:58 PM

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You can just answer my question above.

Does God's truth reside only with comments/opinions by the Baptists or by Catholics or by you or 'desmond2020' or 'unknown warrior' or 'happy4ever' , etc.?
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Jul 30 2024, 06:04 PM

Fact
- you quote from a source NOT FROM THE BIBLE
- you have no other BIBLICAL base
- you CREATED a CONCLUSION from baseless understandings and ASSUMPTIONS

hence the next FACT
- your words are merely assumptions and none from the bible..
Thanks for quoting 2 Timothy 2. As usual, I will say to you.. UNDERSTAND 2 TIMOTHY 2!!
2 Timothy 2:7 ,"Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things."
2 Timothy 2:9,"Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound."
Can i please repeat this.. "... THE WORD OF GOD IS NOT BOUND"
2 Timothy 2:15," Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
STUDY!!! DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH!! which can only be the BIBLE!
2 Timothy 2:16, " But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness."
Do you need the definition of Babble? TO UTTER WORDS IMPERFECTLY OR INDISTINCTLY, AS CHILDREN, TO TALK IRRATIONALLY..
The fact you dont see yourself is saddening when all my replies are BIBLICALLY BASED when you try so hard to defend opinions and thoughts of other 'preachers', WHO ARE NOT EVEN BAPTISTS!

Your efforts to try and use the Bible, turns out to be aptly for YOURSELF.. The verses itself.. are self explanatory to you..
Again i tell you..
READ THE BIBLE!
Matthew 4:4,"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God"

When Jesus rebuked Satan, He used the scriptures. Even as Jesus have worthy opinions.. He would have used scriptures as references..

This post has been edited by zanness: Jul 30 2024, 06:26 PM

My goodness the arrogance..
just google it.. i'm sure you know how to.. you've done that so much in the past few replies, all the time !

Anglicans, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists ..

God's truth resides IN THE BIBLE !
Not my opinion, not my comments..
All I did was showed you the Bible.. don't get offended if the words dont suit your taste..
thats what THE BIBLE wrote!

This post has been edited by zanness: Jul 30 2024, 06:14 PM

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Your post is just your comment/opinion on a Bible passage.
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So, why can't I quote someone's Bible commentary to add to my comment on a certain topic, eg James's false teachings, since your above-above post is just your comment/opinion on a Bible passage.?

Only God can decide whether your or my Bible comments/opinions are true or false. So far, it seems, recent events have proven that MIA 'unknown warrior's (= a neo-Pentecostal/Charismatic) Bible comments/opinions are not quite true and the sexually immoral 'happy4ever's (= a Pentecostal from DUMC) Bible comments/opinions are quite false.

Also, only God can judge who are the true or false Christians, bound for heaven or hell, not you or me or etc.
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The biggest difference between you and me is you quote what PEOPLE SAY.. i quote what the BIBLE SAY.. and more importantly..
That is why i keep telling you to read the verses.. what im saying ARE NOT OPINIONS.
I literally REPEATED what the BIBLE SAYS!
in comparisons you literally took the PERHAPS , or WHAT IFS.. of what OTHER PEOPLE SAY!

Understand now what is OPINION Vs BIBLE ?

You are right.. This we can agree.. God is the highest judge.. but if you say you are a Christian.. and you are apart from the truth, it is my responsibility to rebuke you and tell you the truth..

I dont know the others, I know for a fact i've debated like this with this 'unknown warrior' using the same similar approach.. BIBLE AND NOTHING BUT THE BIBLE..
The only reason probably until today, you still think you are right, is because they are like you.. using opinions to debate on opinions..
Not the BIBLE..


This post has been edited by zanness: Jul 30 2024, 06:56 PM

penguin, i think this is enough of your madness here. you just troll here because no one give your attention in your RWI thread.

referring this, who give you right to choose which sin is okay? now begone. you can play at your RWI thread. this is last warning before you are reported to mods

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No la. You quote the Bible and gave your comments/opinions on it. Same like how other Christians quote the Bible and give comments/opinions on it.

Similarly when I quote these other Christians' comments/opinions to add to my comments/opinions and quotes of the Bible, eg about James's false teachings. To me, it's the same thing as what you have been doing. The only difference is that my post may have 2 or more Bible commentaries/opinions on a certain subject.
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Still insist its opinions?
LOL
Prove that you dont read my replies.. which are ALL BIBLE VERSES! Merely replying for the sake of it..

Your heart is so hardened.. There's nothing to comment if even plain Bible verses cant get to your heart.. only prayers and God can

This post has been edited by zanness: Jul 30 2024, 07:13 PM

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No la. Your reply/post are not ALL BIBLE VERSES. Prove that you don't read what you posted/replied.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Jul 30 2024, 07:22 PM

Talk to your pastor.
You have deliberately ignored all bible verses for past corrections but yet highlight grammers?

You need help

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Aren't we allowed to give our opinions/views on sin/law-breaking/evil-work.?
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