At this point, You're being repetitive, ignorant and babbling.. let me show you..
Unfounded Bible context
You have nothing to say on "Sheep" in John 10:9.. but bring back the same thing on Matthew 10:16-20,26-31.
And then put a claim it is HOUSE OF ISRAEL.. which is NOT IN THE BIBLE....Unless you can prove it from the Bible, else you're just babbling.

Delusional "SHEEP" definition
and you put a statement saying i take it out of context??
"When Jesus Christ mentioned "sheep", it did not always = all of the above or all Christians/believers."
I have few verses to prove its for ALL CHRISTIANS and you cant even show me one that says its only for jews or gentiles..
so who's taking what out of context?

And when you ran out of self-justifications
John 10:16, i told you other sheeps is the sheeps in the field , as how Jesus always see the people.
Such as Matthew 9:36,"But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd."
So your "other sheeps" are referring in matthew as?? "...MULTITUDES"
my goodness..

please dont simply take verses and match it up to your liking
And you bring up Romans.. when none in your reference even talks about sheep..
And you can still define SHEEP from that??
Do you hear yourself?

This post has been edited by zanness: Aug 3 2024, 12:34 PM

House of Israel - Sheep
1) you were highlighting another segment. And you are right it is mentioned in Matthew 10:6.
2) Your delusion remains the same.
There's no issue in sending disciples to first the Jews , then the gentiles as the parable Jesus shared.
The delusion is you setting your own precedence with no substantial evidence. Here sheep is only Jews, other part sheep is only apostles, and it’s all just because you feel so or heard so or I don’t know.. what reason for the inconsistency.
As far as the Bible shows (which for unknown reasons you still ignore the Bible verses that said so), sheep are saved people may it be Jews, apostles , whatever not..

Multitudes - Jesus
You are either saying Bible is inaccurate or it’s just you being delusional
Which part of the Bible says it’s only Jews here????
And at Matthew 10:6, Read! Jesus instruct them to go to.. and by going then a separation of instructions!
Why the Jews first? Go read Romans 15:8
you assumed everyone is Jews before Jesus spoke to the disciples ????
So yes, again, your own understanding


Romans 11Your own ‘Bible’ or Understanding
Olive tree = Sheep
Go find a Bible verse that substantiates this.
Else it’s again, your imagination and false opinions

Please, in your replies, before you do, I would appreciate if you can substantiate your “claims” using the Bible.
Else my replies will be the same - your opinion! Not the Bible

My advice to you is go read up on how to interpret the Bible, and if you’re afraid of different doctrines, then talk and ask your pastor..

As a Baptist, there Bible is the fundamental truth of all
And anything you say or claim should be able to be ACCURATELY backed by the Bible
Accurately means it must have the meaning defined or shown in the Bible. The Bible don’t work based on imagined connections (which is your favourite approach) and will never do so..

Ephesians 1:4-5
4 - According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 - Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,


Your salvation, has been predestined.
Not to say you continue to live in sin
Not to say you don’t need to believe to be saved

What
1. we were chosen “…we should be holy…”
2. We were chosen “…should be….without blame”

How
1. “..the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself”

Why
1. “….the good pleasure of his will,”

There is nothing a person can do to earn his salvation, and similarly nothing a person can do.. to lose it… we believe in one side of the statement, we have to also believe the other side…
Nothing means… NOTHING

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You have clearly explained the culture in the past
But I think you read the Bible weirdly with no understanding. Funny you ask people to read and understand when you don’t.
I read and understood it also says ‘“ teaching in all the cities and villages….among the people”
Like I said , you like to just highlight one portion that suits you, then start ignoring everything else.
Nothing wrong with the word synagogue…. The only thing wrong is you seem to fixated in Sheep = only Jews (in this passage) , then pick all the words to suit yourself.
Sheep = apostles only (this part, there’s not even words from the Bible to support, merely your imagined analogy)

I understand your reasoning of the House of Israel, and I can explain your understanding after we go through your understanding of the sheep. I even have verses you should have mentioned that would be better for discussion.

Sheep
It’s okay
I’ll slowly guide you to realize how lost you are on SHEEP
You merely just need to answer the questions, and your answers will reveal itself

1) 1 Peter1:1 - who is this written to?
2) Amongst this, were they gentiles ?
3) Hebrews 12:1 - are you part of this verse when it is written?


Please , since you have a tendency of pick and match, the above three questions are SIMPLE questions. Don’t ignore it. Please read up, understand, then only answer

This post has been edited by zanness: Aug 4 2024, 02:14 PM

As usual
You like to smoke bomb your reasoning out of plain Bible truth
There’s nothing wrong with the chronology of faith , first to the Jews then to the Gentiles.
Sheep + other sheep = sheep 🐑

The only definition of type of sheep is it’s either lost or found
Please don’t be confused and go all around the world
You are arguing sheep are in reference to different people at different time and hence those Bible verses are not applicable for OTHER SHEEP..

There’s nothing wrong with chronology of faith as shown in
“ Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”

The only problem I have with you is you inaccurately disagree that ‘My’ sheep is not for saved and only for Jews, (which you can’t substantiate anywhere from the Bible that sheep are ONLY for JEWS or APOSTLES), I’m saying the Bible says SHEEP, ‘MY’ SHEEP ARE SAVED PEOPLE, you’re saying “SHEEP” IS SELECTIVELY APPLIED AND DEFINED BASED ON PARTS OF THE BIBLE

Can we please focus on what you are even LOST on ? And not go all around pointlessly ?

And please,
It’s 3 simple questions

1) 1 Peter1:1 - who is this written to?
2) Amongst this, were they gentiles ?
3) Hebrews 12:1 - are you part of this verse when it is written?

This post has been edited by zanness: Aug 4 2024, 04:20 PM

For the third time , simple question but you try to avoid throwing smoke bombs here and there
Hello.. simple question
1) 1 Peter1:1 - who is this written to?
2) Amongst this, were they gentiles ?
3) Hebrews 12:1 - are you part of this verse when it is written?


We are sheep sent in the midst of wolves..
plenty of wolves (false prophets). I know I am when I use the Bible and some don’t.
We are no longer ‘persecuted’ physically today, as are the Jews, but the “persecution” comes from different “authorities” as of Jesus time


Whatever false nonsense you have on Sheep, just answer the three questions.

You quote a cross reference and insert it that it represents ONLY apostles, ONLY Israel.. and you go falsely say it doesn’t represent SAVED Christians.
During Jesus time, salvation was for the Jews first! Cos this is the covenant made, but doesn’t mean gentiles won’t be or can’t be saved . Jesus healed the gentile too! Recognizing her faith!

Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.


Answer the three questions … and you YOURSELF will be humbled by the Bible on why SHEEP is all saved

This post has been edited by zanness: Aug 4 2024, 05:36 PM

I beg to differ
It’s just a matter of one ignoring the Bible, but leaning to opinions and imaginations
And a matter of maturity
This lurkingaround fella must be a very young Baptist

I won’t allow you to smoke bomb your way and ignore the Bible as you do, making a bad testimony and spamming these pages

For the fourth time

1) 1 Peter1:1 - who is this written to?
2) Amongst this, were they gentiles ?
3) Hebrews 12:1 - are you part of this verse when it is written?


Revelations 21:14,
Stop putting words into the Bible
No where is it written at this verse on your false claims
No where in the Bible in fact!

And we’re going in circles again cos you can’t substantiate using the Bible your ridiculous claims

I’ve at all times answer your questions. And would have not ignored your lack of understanding on purpose.
With direct Bible verses, quotes, and without twisting other topics
I’ve also said there’s nothing wrong with House of Israel

At this point, if you can’t answer simple questions and decide to be emotional, unbiblical, I advise you just move on from this

You saw the word sheep in Rev 21:14?
Your Bible show you so?

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Go read the replies I told you about House of Israel on that context
I replied you already
I told you nothing wrong
You should start reading instead of just copying and paste

I told you I’ll guide you to the answer
For the fifth time

1) 1 Peter1:1 - who is this written to?
2) Amongst this, were they gentiles ?
3) Hebrews 12:1 - are you part of this verse when it is written?

As I told you I answered you and I also said yes I am sheep

Did you read?

I’m not splitting hairs
I’m stating the fact

Another false claim you say I ignore you
Show me and I’ll tell you I won’t ignore a lost person
Even house of Israel, I’ve replied you you are not wrong
The Bible is self explanatory, I even explained from Romans
Did you read those replies after that or you just reply for sake of it?

And another false claim, I quote the Bible to you but you say it’s opinions ,
I’m telling you there’s no sheep in rev21, and it’s your opinion to link that to sheep, you wanna spin this to another thing?


You need a pastor
If you’re still agitated ,
Why don’t you seek your pastor with all these claims and let him answer instead of you.

This post has been edited by zanness: Aug 4 2024, 07:32 PM

Again, another accusation unfounded.
Even when I copy and paste the BIBLE you an say it’s misinterpreted..
and if it’s not your liking you say it’s misinterpreted? Even though the Bible stated so??
And you don’t want to even read the Bible and understand it

For the sixth time
1) 1 Peter1:1 - who is this written to?
2) Amongst this, were they gentiles ?
3) Hebrews 12:1 - are you part of this verse when it is written?

This post has been edited by zanness: Aug 4 2024, 07:40 PM

And I replied
You didn’t read ?
Matthew 10:16 KJV - Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

“Send you”... No problem , yes apostles
“As SHEEP! “- a representation.. SHEEP = not only apostles
I also said to your question,Yes! I am sheep here
Hello, another false accusation?
And you going in circles again?

Funny you keep ignoring the Bible and not answer simple questions..

I’m not trying to be self righteous
I’m asking you to prove yourself and asking you to READ the Bible
And you will answer the question yourself from the Bible
Else you falsely claim it as “opinion”
Let me teach you what is opinion vs Bible
But yet you’re afraid of the Bible

Answer the question
It’s not hard

This post has been edited by zanness: Aug 4 2024, 07:53 PM

James 5:19-20 KJV -
19- Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20- Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

He may be probably saved
But he may also be the reason some people are not; a stumbling block; if his understanding is imagined and not of the Bible

This post has been edited by zanness: Aug 4 2024, 10:12 PM

2 Timothy 3:16
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Ephesians 1:1 KJV - Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:


You have a problem like how all false prophets are.
If certain areas of the BIBLE don’t suit your hearing, I’m sorry for you and would pray for you.
In your logic,
You should tear away Ephesians cos it’s not for you
Same for Philippians cos it’s not for you, for church of Philippi
Throw away Romans and Corinthians too cos not for you, for church of Corinth
See how funny and ridiculous you sound?

Please seek help from whichever elder or Pastor

This post has been edited by zanness: Aug 5 2024, 05:07 PM

And when you copy and paste quotes, please answer them and not copy paste for no purpose