This car got attractive feature and spec, looks better compare to competitor like HRV Corolla cross but didnt not sell well compare to competitor.
why??
is subaru a problematic car?
Subaru XV 2022, Crosstetek E boxer
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This car got attractive feature and spec, looks better compare to competitor like HRV Corolla cross but didnt not sell well compare to competitor. why?? is subaru a problematic car? |
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I see a lot of Subaru on the road these days.
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QUOTE(blek @ Nov 4 2022, 06:32 PM) This car got attractive feature and spec, looks better compare to competitor like HRV Corolla cross but didnt not sell well compare to competitor. why?? is subaru a problematic car? a lot of people said, if wanna buy XV, get the manual variant. but of coz, no manual variant here in m'sia. it's a subaru, so its AWD is easily best in the class. but boxer engine, quite expensive to maintain. |
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Ayam see new bmw x, benz glc more than any new subaru
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QUOTE(unknown_2 @ Nov 4 2022, 06:49 PM) dunno about 2022 version, but previously, gearbox is sluggish. What’s a boxer enginea lot of people said, if wanna buy XV, get the manual variant. but of coz, no manual variant here in m'sia. it's a subaru, so its AWD is easily best in the class. but boxer engine, quite expensive to maintain. |
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QUOTE(unknown_2 @ Nov 4 2022, 06:49 PM) dunno about 2022 version, but previously, gearbox is sluggish. but subaru lineartronic cvt is most superior CVT tech woh.a lot of people said, if wanna buy XV, get the manual variant. but of coz, no manual variant here in m'sia. it's a subaru, so its AWD is easily best in the class. but boxer engine, quite expensive to maintain. but then maybe doesnt work best with his AWD system. the new injextion system doesnt slove the linear piston burnt one side issue? |
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QUOTE(miyakochan89 @ Nov 4 2022, 07:16 PM) the piston dont move up & down but instead lay flat move left & right.the only car maker that use this engine layout beside Porsche. insane.kill liked this post
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QUOTE(unknown_2 @ Nov 4 2022, 06:49 PM) dunno about 2022 version, but previously, gearbox is sluggish. Yeah, on the older version I drove (around 2018 or 2019 model year) at certain speeds while slowing down the CVT has this weird effect. Best way I can describe it is that you feel your tyres suddenly become egg or oval shaped. A bit disconcerting at first, but you get used to it. a lot of people said, if wanna buy XV, get the manual variant. but of coz, no manual variant here in m'sia. it's a subaru, so its AWD is easily best in the class. but boxer engine, quite expensive to maintain. I always liked the look of the XV. A simple look, doesn’t try too hard. But the small issues and lack of official service center near my place turned me off. |
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Resale value ok or not?
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QUOTE(miyakochan89 @ Nov 4 2022, 07:16 PM) piston is flat _instead of normally straight | or V this makes it flat, so can mount down low, hence low venter of gravity. but, bcoz of the flat nature, & the way it's mounted, it's very hidden which makes it hard for accessibility. hence any sort of service, required specialist, takes longer time, & cost more. |
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The undercarriage is the best in its segment but when it comes to wear and tear replacement time sakit abit cos multi link
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QUOTE(blek @ Nov 4 2022, 07:45 PM) not ok because low demand. Boxer engine was known to have problem due to the flat position.but it isnt fair if low resale value just because its low demand, isit not reliable for daily car? Even though subaru improved it, it is still not very appealing, other than low CG I dunno la, Subaru doesnt fit here nor there U wanna say it is economical, it is not. Wanna say luxury, not there, wanna say technologically advanced or good performance, there are others occupying this niche. The appeal is not there 🤷🏻♂️ nabs2205, SuperTuhan, and 1 other liked this post
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Would be interested if they launch the 1.8 turbo
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Own 1 2016 model until now only can complain was cvt are shit,if use normal 6 speed should be good other so far never had issue just wear & tear part
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QUOTE(amboi_asamboi @ Nov 4 2022, 07:50 PM) Boxer engine was known to have problem due to the flat position. ThisEven though subaru improved it, it is still not very appealing, other than low CG I dunno la, Subaru doesnt fit here nor there U wanna say it is economical, it is not. Wanna say luxury, not there, wanna say technologically advanced or good performance, there are others occupying this niche. The appeal is not there 🤷🏻♂️ |
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The reason why Subaru ride feels better than average, is because of the low centre of gravity of the boxer engines. HR-V high performance, smallest boot. Corolla Cross mediocre performance, biggest boot. Subaru XV is in between. It is also the only AWD option. It should have no clear reason that makes it unpopular. I could only speculate that it is the design that didn't evolve much. I know some of you might like it as it brings nostalgia of those WRC days, but that group of buyers is very small. Honda are moving towards more contemporary muscular but minimalist design inspired by contis. Ldc2022 liked this post
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look alot better than prev gen
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the interior just scream microsoft office 97 asuka16, ratloverice, and 1 other liked this post
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owner of XV here, its a driver's car, best handling among the class, suspension top notch, Malaysia road 100% some more AWD good in rain if u ask me want to rechoose again i still pick subaru over honda and toyata in this class kamarul86, cristiano7mu, and 2 others liked this post
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QUOTE(damnguy36 @ Nov 4 2022, 09:05 PM) owner of XV here, its a driver's car, best handling among the class, your XV what year? how many KM? wear and tear maintenance cost?suspension top notch, Malaysia road 100% some more AWD good in rain if u ask me want to rechoose again i still pick subaru over honda and toyata in this class |
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QUOTE(blek @ Nov 4 2022, 09:08 PM) 2019 , Now on 4th year, just pass 60k km and did my last free serviceswear and tear its normal like others car just that every major services u have extra AWD oil need to change fantasy1989 liked this post
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If only it came with a turbo charger
Seriously id get one if it does. I owned an Impreza v8 before and i loved every bit of it except for the fuel consumption but thats understand able Almost switches to the forester turbo but deal did not happen so left it at that. Went to see the Xv but just got turnrd off with thr shit interior and no leather seat If the Xv ever comes with a turbo charger i will be first to line up as i believe the engine and chasis from Subaru is best in class |
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The first generation was popular here
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nobody need boxer engine
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One of the rare car that has ready stock
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Subaru is the preferred choice of lesbians. For some reason lesbians like this brand.
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if service or fix at outside workshop. normal mechanic know how to fix or service this boxer engine or not.
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XV owner here. Bought this XV preciselu bcoz of its handling capabilities. Previous car was a satria neo cps, its handling was top notch, hence upgrading to a bigger car with good handling end up with XV on the menu.
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QUOTE(tabikaeru @ Nov 4 2022, 11:32 PM) XV owner here. Bought this XV preciselu bcoz of its handling capabilities. Previous car was a satria neo cps, its handling was top notch, hence upgrading to a bigger car with good handling end up with XV on the menu. You enjoy driving, but most not. So ppl will buy Honda or Toyota if youa SK me the boring choice. |
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Tat infotainment and aircon vent same design iriz, why subaru copy from iriz meh?
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dated interior compared to competitor + hard plastic boxer engine maintenance will slightly susah (eg: changing spark plug) btw..this e boxer is 48V mild hybrid ..get the wallet ready for extra battery on top of 12v replacement PS: i do have relative driving boxer but the car itself is good..especially symmetrical awd ..can sapu suv like sedan This post has been edited by fantasy1989: Nov 5 2022, 09:28 AM |
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QUOTE(damnguy36 @ Nov 4 2022, 09:05 PM) owner of XV here, its a driver's car, best handling among the class, suv but can drive and take corner like sedansuspension top notch, Malaysia road 100% some more AWD good in rain if u ask me want to rechoose again i still pick subaru over honda and toyata in this class noice arinpresto and damnguy36 liked this post
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Use to shop around for my next daily car. XV outside looks nice but inside feel like saga or axia.
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QUOTE(asuka16 @ Nov 5 2022, 09:58 AM) I test drive one early this year, the ride & handling is top notch asuka16 liked this post
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QUOTE(blek @ Nov 4 2022, 06:32 PM) This car got attractive feature and spec, looks better compare to competitor like HRV Corolla cross but didnt not sell well compare to competitor. why?? is subaru a problematic car? |
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QUOTE(hurricane21 @ Nov 5 2022, 09:27 AM) ure got damn right, my genting experience its wonderful , can tackle the corner like no tmr, the AWD grip really is awesome but in term of power still lack a bit , but still its still a 2.0litre fine with me hurricane21 liked this post
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QUOTE(RS42 @ Nov 5 2022, 10:05 AM) Boxer engine and the 4WD system are additional things to worry about for the XV. Only people who appreciate it will buy. Normal people want point A to B would rather buy the most reliable boring Toyota. really its a driver's car, only the driver will experience the benefit on AWD and boxer engine where u will feel the stability and LCG of the car even if its a SUV base height , well engineeredbut base on business perspective, design , interior many ppl will think other wise for me everyday car its working fine, in Malaysia base on the SUV height i can go up kerb parking easily like any other SUV, raining time i know my AWD will have more grip , potholes , bump subaru multilink suspension its a king , way way better than HRV torsion beam, my friend said sit behind HRV its like a lorry but last time i bought it 113k high spec, no eyesight, i think its a bargain, now i think the price went up to 130k |
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Ayam exowner subaru 2015. My personal opinion Resale value - acceptable Issue - wheel bearings only Cvt - ok cun. engine - ok acceptable. But better if they put 1.6t for fast acceleration bonet - sedan size, kicik Cuci kereta saja mahal, diorang cakap ni suv. Oi ni sedan la. interior yes indeed boring. exteriorso nice.. Kalau white color, lagi nice. blek and Angry Clerk liked this post
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XV owner here. Drove sedan cars and MPV before. Best driving experience is XV because of its versatilities. Great for city driving, hilly roads, off roads and Msia trunk roads. Handling is top notch especially turning corners and when it’s raining. Only peeve is no turbo, otherwise it’s a perfect car. Will definitely get another XV as my next car should I need to replace it.
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QUOTE(haturaya @ Nov 5 2022, 10:03 AM) I test drive one early this year, the ride & handling is top notch :thumbsup: , but the interior - a bit on meh side. True. But at least inside should be easy on the eye also. We spend almost half of our day inside the car. Masuk kete mood jadi down sbab interior looks so cheap. |
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QUOTE(asuka16 @ Nov 5 2022, 08:11 PM) True. But at least inside should be easy on the eye also. We spend almost half of our day inside the car. Masuk kete mood jadi down sbab interior looks so cheap. Similar argument as my wifu said. |
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If got manual sure buy
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Small overlap crash test - the most horrifying accident one should avoid.
many died from the dashcam group evidence due to this type of accidents. below 120k small suv - only one and only Corolla cross took it like a champ and put xc40 volvo to shame in terms of scores. |
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QUOTE(tonewow @ Nov 5 2022, 08:38 PM) Small overlap crash test - the most horrifying accident one should avoid. Which corolla cross? many died from the dashcam group evidence due to this type of accidents. below 120k small suv - only one and only Corolla cross took it like a champ and put xc40 volvo to shame in terms of scores. The one with torsion beam? USA corolla cross isnt torsion beam. |
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I once saw people test drove like rally driver, an eye opening experience to see it first hand.
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QUOTE(tonewow @ Nov 5 2022, 08:38 PM) Small overlap crash test - the most horrifying accident one should avoid. got source or not.many died from the dashcam group evidence due to this type of accidents. below 120k small suv - only one and only Corolla cross took it like a champ and put xc40 volvo to shame in terms of scores. toyota crash test>volvo, hard to believe |
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already placed booking for going to cancel it... decided to go for smaller car enough.. don't worry... soon I will buy it again.
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QUOTE(tonewow @ Nov 6 2022, 05:36 AM) sorry to break your bubble but that is not not overlap crash lell |
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QUOTE(damnguy36 @ Nov 5 2022, 10:13 AM) ure got damn right, my genting experience its wonderful , can tackle the corner like no tmr, the AWD grip really is awesome appearance maybe boring but the drive did put smile on ur facebut in term of power still lack a bit , but still its still a 2.0litre fine with me damnguy36 liked this post
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Subaru's pickup feels "sluggish" because it's a full time AWD, engine need to move all 4 wheels during pickup.
Other's claim AWD but is torque on demand, so most of the time only drive 2 wheels, that's why those fake AWD seems to have faster pickup off the line. Owned 3 Subaru's before, 2 were turbo. |
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QUOTE(WH4CockcooBird @ Dec 4 2022, 09:18 AM) Subaru's pickup feels "sluggish" because it's a full time AWD, engine need to move all 4 wheels during pickup. the pickup is definitely alright for a 2.0 CVT SUV.Other's claim AWD but is torque on demand, so most of the time only drive 2 wheels, that's why those fake AWD seems to have faster pickup off the line. Owned 3 Subaru's before, 2 were turbo. not zoom zoom kind like HRV turbo, but it sure is not sluggish for normal use, suspension set up is quite good too. |
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Dec 4 2022, 09:27 AM
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QUOTE(WH4CockcooBird @ Dec 4 2022, 09:18 AM) Subaru's pickup feels "sluggish" because it's a full time AWD, engine need to move all 4 wheels during pickup. It's not sluggish, it's the character. Other's claim AWD but is torque on demand, so most of the time only drive 2 wheels, that's why those fake AWD seems to have faster pickup off the line. Owned 3 Subaru's before, 2 were turbo. |
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Dec 4 2022, 10:06 AM
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QUOTE(-H20- @ Dec 4 2022, 09:24 AM) the pickup is definitely alright for a 2.0 CVT SUV. I am just quoting those that complain about it's pickup.not zoom zoom kind like HRV turbo, but it sure is not sluggish for normal use, suspension set up is quite good too. Yes, it's perfectly ok but many bought Subaru due to the WRX bloodline and expecting performance of STI. |
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Dec 4 2022, 10:07 AM
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Dec 4 2022, 10:10 AM
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QUOTE(blek @ Nov 4 2022, 06:32 PM) This car got attractive feature and spec, looks better compare to competitor like HRV Corolla cross but didnt not sell well compare to competitor. why?? is subaru a problematic car? The only problem is they don’t know how to spec it. I wanted to buy back in 2020 but highest trim don’t have leather seat I told sa Takpe I go next door and get a cx5 |
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Dec 4 2022, 10:16 AM
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Flat4 engine, on long high rev run, first thing to go is usually rocker cover gasket or top gasket or whatever you call it. Not major issue but need to look for it and have it replaced. With CVT gearbox, you don't usually keep the rev above 3500rpm for very long. The problem of rocker cover leak is now prolong'ed to much higher mileage before it occurs.
The annoying electric power steering rack rattling issue that hit nearly all cars (not just Subaru) will come to you sooner or later. Aircond is another issue for Subaru, especially CBU units from Japan. Local CKD units fare better but since I no longer own any Subaru for 5 years now, I had not been following the trend of this topic. Otherwise, it's pretty much a bomb proof car. As usual, the weakest part of Subaru are two:- (1) after sales service in Malaysia, plus availability of parts, (2) can they farking get a better designer to design the car? Ugly as F for so many years.. 🤪 ok, be fair, there isn't many OEM part maker for Subaru. Parts come from Japan mostly. Hence expensive and not commonly available. |
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Dec 11 2022, 01:59 PM
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Dec 17 2022, 07:53 AM
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Dec 17 2022, 07:56 AM
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Tahun 2000an design
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Dec 17 2022, 09:04 AM
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QUOTE(WH4CockcooBird @ Dec 4 2022, 09:18 AM) Subaru's pickup feels "sluggish" because it's a full time AWD, engine need to move all 4 wheels during pickup. Is Forester XT 2.0T good to drive and maintain car?Other's claim AWD but is torque on demand, so most of the time only drive 2 wheels, that's why those fake AWD seems to have faster pickup off the line. Owned 3 Subaru's before, 2 were turbo. Thirsty car? |
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Dec 17 2022, 09:19 AM
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QUOTE(kembayang @ Dec 17 2022, 09:04 AM) Good to drive, ok lah.Fun to drive definitely not. It's a potato. If you can get WRX rear sway bar, can improve it's potato'ness. FA20DIT is a very thrifty engine, not like the thirsty EJ. Getting 8liter to 100km or 12.5km/L is common. On the down side:- - Most have CVT issue and require valve body replacement. - Bushings are weak but this is general trend of new Subaru, smaller bush. - Aircond issue, usually cooling coil leak and some unlucky one, compressor. - Odd size tire. It was the only car on Msia road using 225/55/18, expensive and difficult to find |
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Dec 17 2022, 10:11 AM
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Subaru is only for enthusiasts. Its a pity it didn't come with turbo as low end torque is very important for everyday driving. One thing why many are not bother with owning one, the interior is ugly. It's like designer from 80s. When I sat in it, it make x50 feel like bentley and a much better buy.
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