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post Oct 19 2022, 12:14 PM, updated 4y ago

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Kuala Lumpur: Majlis Minyak Sawit Malaysia (MPOC) menyokong tindakan penguatkuasaan ke atas pasar raya serta premis yang menjual produk berlabel 'Tanpa Minyak Sawit.'

Pelabelan atau penggunaan label yang bersifat diskriminasi terhadap minyak sawit itu adalah dilarang mengikut Akta Perihal Dagangan 2011 dan jika sabit kesalahan, mereka terbabit boleh didenda tidak melebihi RM250,000 atau dihukum penjara tidak lebih daripada lima tahun.

Dalam kenyataan hari ini, MPOC berkata label diskriminasi terhadap minyak sawit itu terdapat pada produk-produk makanan, penjagaan diri serta keperluan isi rumah.

Malah, produk yang memerlukan penggunaan lemak dan minyak, terutama minyak sayuran adalah produk paling banyak memaparkan label tersebut.


Pada 2021, MPOC telah menjalankan kaji selidik bagi mengenal pasti produk berlabel diskriminasi terhadap minyak sawit di pasaran Malaysia.

Sebanyak 80 daripada 251 premis yang ditinjau di sekitar Lembah Klang, didapati memaparkan produk berlabel 'Tanpa Minyak Sawit'.

Kebanyakan premis dengan produk sedemikian terletak di Petaling Jaya, Subang Jaya, Cyberjaya serta pusat bandar Kuala Lumpur.

Kaji selidik itu turut mendapati bahawa 37 jenama menyokong pergerakan antiminyak sawit dengan 204 variasi produk daripada 12 kategori makanan yang mempunyai label tersebut seperti aiskrim, snek dan bijirin.

Dapatan itu turut mendedahkan bahawa kebanyakan syarikat menyedari taktik pemasaran antiminyak sawit tersebut, namun terus mengimport produk terbabit bagi memenuhi permintaan demografi tertentu.

Ketua Pegawai Eksekutif MPOC Wan Aishah Wan Hamid menyifatkan inisiatif pendidikan penting bagi dalam usaha meningkatkan kesedaran mengenai isu pelabelan serta sentimen antiminyak sawit.

"Kita perlu memanfaatkan kesedaran orang ramai mengenai aspek kelestarian dan mempromosi minyak sawit lestari yang bermula dengan pensijilan Minyak Sawit Mampan Malaysia (MSPO)," katanya.

Beliau berkata industri minyak sawit juga merupakan penyumbang besar terhadap ekonomi Malaysia dan sebarang tindakan menyebarkan tuduhan negatif ke atas komoditi tersebut boleh menjejaskan mata pencarian ramai yang berkaitan.

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post Oct 19 2022, 12:19 PM

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Wtf... what's wrong with people wanting other kind of oils? Ahh... i forget, we're in Malaysia. Governments need to do something so people don't think they are just sucking up our money.

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post Oct 19 2022, 12:20 PM

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Diskriminasi kaum, boleh pulak.

Boleh land.
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post Oct 19 2022, 12:21 PM

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post Oct 19 2022, 12:22 PM

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Genuine Cocoa Chocolate makers will get fined?
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post Oct 19 2022, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(jerm57 @ Oct 19 2022, 12:19 PM)
Wtf... what's wrong with people wanting other kind of oils? Ahh... i forget, we're in Malaysia. Governments need to do something so people don't think they are just sucking up our money.
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U can sell any kind of oil

Just do not label in packaging palm oil free sahaja ..
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post Oct 19 2022, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(sportivo @ Oct 19 2022, 12:22 PM)
Genuine Cocoa Chocolate makers will get fined?
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i think it is the labelling issue, just dun put label with 'palm oil', can just put something like 100% cocoa...maybe
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post Oct 19 2022, 12:25 PM

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Coconut oil how?
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post Oct 19 2022, 12:26 PM

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the other label should also be fined because it discriminate pork
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post Oct 19 2022, 12:29 PM

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oh please laahh....

we realy need to stop making creamers and start using real milk.

krimer manis = dicampur minyak sawit
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post Oct 19 2022, 12:32 PM

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I only buy minyak masak without sawit.
Don’t want unhealthy sawit
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post Oct 19 2022, 12:33 PM

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Means cannot label food
Backward country?
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post Oct 19 2022, 12:36 PM

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Diu i read the label and ingredients myself to avoid palm oil
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post Oct 19 2022, 12:37 PM

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Are mobile phones that do not have palm oil in it haram?

Note to user: the open slots are NOT for pouring palm oil into...

Looks like iphone instruction booklet will get thicker.
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post Oct 19 2022, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(jerm57 @ Oct 19 2022, 12:19 PM)
Wtf... what's wrong with people wanting other kind of oils? Ahh... i forget, we're in Malaysia. Governments need to do something so people don't think they are just sucking up our money.
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Wtf why you so ill informed

They only will ban products that have discriminatory labelling like “oil palm free”

If you not notice yet there is a movement in western countries that try to potray palm oil is ‘unhealthy’ and “environmentally wrong” to protect their own loca soy and vegetable oils industry

Until now Malaysia managed to get legal injunction to avoid market bans and taxes in EU due to this false marketing but we cant do much about product labelling as they can put excuses that it is for ppl with “palm oil allergy” lol
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QUOTE(vapanel @ Oct 19 2022, 12:33 PM)
Means cannot label food
Backward country?
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only sawit related cannot sebab against national agenda

https://sawit.com.my/about-the-campaign/

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Change to no vegetable oil?
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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Oct 19 2022, 12:20 PM)
Diskriminasi kaum, boleh pulak.

Boleh land.
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post Oct 19 2022, 12:42 PM

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Can put like this

Contains no p*** oil

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post Oct 19 2022, 12:42 PM

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Like this oso can??? Cmna pulak label tanpa babi??
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post Oct 19 2022, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Oct 19 2022, 12:20 PM)
Diskriminasi kaum, boleh pulak.

Boleh land.
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post Oct 19 2022, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(vapanel @ Oct 19 2022, 12:33 PM)
Means cannot label food
Backward country?
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ingredients can still have label
if you want to have products that have none of this and that, just read the ingredient list la

palm oil free is like marketing sticker like sugar free, no extra sugar added so on
i sapot gov for stopping this discriminatory label to protek MY palm oil industry


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Even in local supermarkets, notice or not..... if corn oil, sunflower oil, rapeseed oil ,olive oil..... they proudly display corn , rapeseed , sunflower or olives on the bottle packaging

they are proud of their raw materials.

However, for palm oil, on the bottles.. you see ayam goreng, people hammering something like cap buroh etc. No picture of palm oil pun.

Be proud of your raw materials. Better if in foreign Australian supermarkets, we see big display "PROUDLY MADE WITH MALAYSIAN PALM OIL"

Marketing 101

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post Oct 19 2022, 03:49 PM

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what's wrong with that?

i actually will buy the peanut butter that writes no palm oil
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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Oct 19 2022, 12:29 PM)
oh please laahh....

we realy need to stop making creamers and start using real milk.

krimer manis = dicampur minyak sawit
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almost everything got minyak sawit nowadays

roti, sabun, syampoo, ice cream, damn... the list is damn long man
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Oct 19 2022, 03:49 PM)
what's wrong with that?

i actually will buy the peanut butter that writes no palm oil
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what's wrong with palm oil in peanut butter?
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Oct 19 2022, 03:49 PM)
what's wrong with that?

i actually will buy the peanut butter that writes no palm oil
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U should buy peanut butter with palm oil. Support Sabah palm oil...
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Oct 19 2022, 03:49 PM)
what's wrong with that?

i actually will buy the peanut butter that writes no palm oil
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don't play dumb la
this country's commodity is palm oil
if put label like that 'no palm.oil', '0% palm oil '
What would it insinuate, even subconsciously?

better be fair la like that
- no sunflower oil,no mustard oil, no peanut oil, no olive oil etc etc on your peanut butter











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post Oct 19 2022, 04:06 PM

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those product must be from Europe
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Oct 19 2022, 03:53 PM)
almost everything got minyak sawit nowadays

roti, sabun, syampoo, ice cream, damn... the list is damn long man
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Not a dosa or kesalahan if we pengguna boikot palm oil tbh. Let them palm oil board pipul say we suck amdk smelly deeks because they claim palm plantation destroy trees, then orang utan no trees etc.


Nutella = palm oil satu layer. Sugar banyak, cut it out of your life.
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Plata = sapulah on your roti, make roti planta, cakes dsb murahan.
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Biggest offender:
1. Minyak masak peket where your friendly goreng goreng pipul curi isi bottle minyak with lots of peket secara sembunyi.
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Smokey, berasap when high heat fire, you makan la towards your early grave.

2. Jom join worldwide campaign of Nestle hate.
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Why even drinks need palm olein.

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should just put soy oil or olive oil or salmon oil,.. or whatever oil,.. without sawit oil sound so propaganda,...

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I'm not surprised... this is the same country that got upset of the term "pork free"
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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Oct 19 2022, 12:29 PM)
oh please laahh....

we realy need to stop making creamers and start using real milk.

krimer manis = dicampur minyak sawit
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Dicampur? It's 100% palm oil with milk flavouring
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i tend to doubt those 'no palm oil' products given how rampant misinformation in grocery items.

you guys really believe extra virgin olive oil really authentic?
a supposedly 'ghee' also contain palm oil. cam bodo.
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how about sugar free/zero sugar? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Matchy @ Oct 19 2022, 04:28 PM)
how about sugar free/zero sugar? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Oct 19 2022, 03:53 PM)
almost everything got minyak sawit nowadays

roti, sabun, syampoo, ice cream, damn... the list is damn long man
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QUOTE(joe_star @ Oct 19 2022, 04:26 PM)
Dicampur? It's 100% palm oil with milk flavouring
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i wouldn't say 100% palm oil inside. but i cannot imagine myself opening a bottle of cooking oil and chug it down, so i cannot imagine myself doing the same with those damned creamers.

got certain brands still susu pekat and susu sejat that have 0% palm oil added.
if you see a krimer pekat or a krimer sejat - have the word "creamer" -, THAT definitely contains palm oil.
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Nothing wrong with the ban of said label

There is no health nor environmental significance of such labelling

All the ground for such label is baseless

Palm oil is absolutely as healthy as any other oil, if not healthier

Palm oil farming is arguably have lower environmental impact compares to any other soy due to its much higher yield per area used

If these are exactly why they have such labelling, then its pretty much false advertisement

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This remind me of I used to see "cholesterol free" labelling on peanut butter, soy drink and other plant foods lol.

It's redundant as plants do not have cholesterol.
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QUOTE(amandamai @ Oct 19 2022, 03:59 PM)
don't play dumb la
this country's commodity is palm oil
if put label like that 'no palm.oil', '0% palm oil '
What would it insinuate, even subconsciously?

better be fair la like that
- no sunflower oil,no mustard oil, no peanut oil, no olive oil etc etc on your peanut butter
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what happen to customer's freedom of choice? laugh.gif

i don't mind if every manufacturer clearly states what they don't include
consumer has the right to know what they're about to buy
not siding palm oil only
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QUOTE(billy3336 @ Oct 19 2022, 03:56 PM)
what's wrong with palm oil in peanut butter?
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are u spreading peanut butter or palm oil? hmm.gif
if palm oil is what u want, thn why are u buying peanut butter?...might as well buy palm oil and spread on the bread laugh.gif

or better yet...do it like teresa kok
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Agenda western je nak ban palm oil

You think soy oil, canola oil, and others tu bagus sangat ke?

Itu semuanya nak protect business mereka

When Malaysia doing this, u guys nak bising

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QUOTE(Matchy @ Oct 19 2022, 08:28 AM)
how about sugar free/zero sugar? hmm.gif
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UK here has bunch of sohai that allergy to real sugar.

This means cakes has to be made from sweetener and not cane sugar.

Coffee, cannot use typical sugar but option of sugar syrup (is this fuck not from cane) or Demerara sugar.

Its like telling me you allergy to beef mince but not wagyu beef.
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remember pork free?
now palm oil free also butthurt.
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Oct 19 2022, 05:18 PM)
what happen to customer's freedom of choice? laugh.gif

i don't mind if every manufacturer clearly states what they don't include
consumer has the right to know what they're about to buy
not siding palm oil only
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nobody stopping anyone to buy anything

how many long list of non-included item you want to put on label?

eg white bread: palm oil free , olive oil free, butter free, pork free, metal free, ratpoison free, gluten free

you allergic to palm oil, you read the list.

every 'free this and that most often marketing gimmick and overclaim only

for the case of palm oil, if the product with palm oil free label is marketed and sold in other countries, then they are free to do so. but if it's done in a palm oil producing country, it's just stupid. if own country hates the product, how do you expect other countries to import the product?


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Should put soybean oil free to every malaysian products. Let's see how they felt.
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why double standard?
why mara not kena fined bcos of nons-free?

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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Oct 19 2022, 04:21 PM)
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Should put soybean oil free to every malaysian products. Let's see how they felt.
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Buat je la...apa da hal. At least those products are useful for pipul yang ada problem dgn soybean. For 0% palm oil for pipul want to feel hi keras.
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QUOTE(premier239 @ Oct 19 2022, 04:31 PM)
jangan probok2 industry gula punya orang
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sugar industry agrees.
sugar is a safe sweetener. whistling.gif


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u know what... palm oil is still the most efficient vege oil in the world.

if you remove palm oil and turn everythig into soy oil or seed oils, you would have to destroy way more forests.

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A lot of such products are imported and meant for expats living here la. Eh hello, some freedom to choose pls. And these imported stuff are not cheap ok?
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Why even drinks need palm olein.

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that's why

why we need to drink palm olein man?

I mean, I buy a chocolate drink, and I expect it should only contain cocoa power+milk+sugar right?
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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Oct 19 2022, 04:33 PM)
i wouldn't say 100% palm oil inside. but i cannot imagine myself opening a bottle of cooking oil and chug it down, so i cannot imagine myself doing the same with those damned creamers.

got certain brands still susu pekat and susu sejat that have 0% palm oil added.
if you see a krimer pekat or a krimer sejat - have the word "creamer" -, THAT definitely contains palm oil.
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aku beli chocolate drink, tapi campur palm olein

for what purposes? fattening people up? why, secret pact between these conglemerates with giant pharmaceuticals and private hospitals?
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Pork free boleh pulak


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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Oct 19 2022, 06:42 PM)
aku beli chocolate drink, tapi campur palm olein

for what purposes? fattening people up? why, secret pact between these conglemerates with giant pharmaceuticals and private hospitals?
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How about "pork free" label?
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OLEIN KELAPA SAWIT!

even on baby's milk??

why the fk??
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QUOTE(Efalex @ Oct 19 2022, 06:43 PM)
How about "pork free" label?
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That one jakim say cannot already
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Oct 19 2022, 05:18 PM)
what happen to customer's freedom of choice? laugh.gif

i don't mind if every manufacturer clearly states what they don't include
consumer has the right to know what they're about to buy
not siding palm oil only
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You cannot read ingredients label?
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Oct 19 2022, 06:46 PM)
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OLEIN KELAPA SAWIT!

even on baby's milk??

why the fk??
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that's why it's called baby's formula. not milk, simply because its not milk
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QUOTE(amandamai @ Oct 19 2022, 05:42 PM)
nobody stopping anyone to buy anything

how many long list of non-included item you want to put on label?

eg white bread:  palm oil free , olive oil free, butter free, pork free,  metal free, ratpoison free, gluten free

you allergic to palm oil, you read the list.

every 'free this and that most often marketing gimmick and overclaim only

for the case of palm oil, if the product with palm oil free label is marketed and sold in other countries, then they are free to do so. but if it's done in a palm oil producing country, it's  just stupid. if own country hates the product, how do you expect other countries to import the product?
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They think palm oil industries only came from Felda.

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QUOTE(slaveone @ Oct 19 2022, 06:51 PM)
that's why it's called baby's formula. not milk, simply because its not milk
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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 19 2022, 05:52 PM)
why double standard?
why mara not kena fined bcos of nons-free?
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Palm oil industries got Non malays as big players as well. You think those towkays tak marah ke see that no palm oil label.
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Oct 19 2022, 05:21 PM)
are u spreading peanut butter or palm oil? hmm.gif
if palm oil is what u want, thn why are u buying peanut butter?...might as well buy palm oil and spread on the bread laugh.gif

or better yet...do it like teresa kok
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peanut butter maybe got some palm oil in it,

my question to u is, what's wrong with that?

not like u buy peanut butter suddenly become palm oil butter kan?

pandai?
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QUOTE(tupai @ Oct 19 2022, 06:53 PM)
Palm oil industries got Non malays as big players as well. You think those towkays tak marah ke see that no palm oil label.
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not to single out the palm oil industry. I think it's up to manufacturers or retailers as they see fit.

dont see anything wrong with palm-oil free. It's the same as you-name-it-free.

Is it wrong sell non-palm-oil product? How about alcohol-free? Why they don't make a fuss about it?

Being a producer of palm oil doesn't mean everyone must support it to the core.

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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 19 2022, 07:29 PM)
not to single out the palm oil industry. I think it's up to manufacturers or retailers as they see fit.

dont see anything wrong with palm-oil free. It's the same as you-name-it-free.

Is it wrong sell non-palm-oil product? How about alcohol-free? Why they don't make a fuss about it?
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To plotek plotek palm oil industry la. Products with such labeling sold in other countries up to them la. Cannot plotek plotek. If sold here then can plotek plotek. Simple je.

No relationship with mara pun.

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not to single out the palm oil industry. I think it's up to manufacturers or retailers as they see fit.

dont see anything wrong with palm-oil free. It's the same as you-name-it-free.

Is it wrong sell non-palm-oil product? How about alcohol-free? Why they don't make a fuss about it?
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i mean each free label got purpose

pork free- for Muslim
sugar free - for health or diabetic
alcohol free- for Muslim or Minor

what is palm oil free does?
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Now got drinks with label zero added sugar. Read the ingredients still got sugar. They just didn't add more.

It's like the product have two spoonful of sugar, then they put label they didn't add more sugar into it. Just the two spoonful that they put initially.

Totally useless labelling.
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QUOTE(billy3336 @ Oct 19 2022, 07:31 PM)
i mean each free label got purpose

pork free- for Muslim
sugar free - for health or diabetic
alcohol free- for Muslim or Minor

what is palm oil free does?
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For palm oil haters.
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great.

i bet those SJWs in the west never met a sawit tree before.

funny coz they think orang utan lives in palm oil land.


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QUOTE(tupai @ Oct 19 2022, 07:34 PM)
For palm oil haters.
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exactly, even EU already uturn on orang utan case and buy palm oil from us

why we need to listen to them suddenly?
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exactly, even EU already uturn on orang utan case and buy palm oil from us

why we need to listen to them suddenly?
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QUOTE(tupai @ Oct 19 2022, 07:30 PM)
To plotek plotek palm oil industry la. Products with such labeling sold in other countries up to them la. Cannot plotek plotek. If sold here then can plotek plotek. Simple je.

No relationship with mara pun.
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plotek tu paham2 la...but shooting the messengers/sellers of the products? Apa sarahan sellers?

Mara is extreme example. But valid point too. Remember mara digital mall? Under diskriminasi Akta Dagangan tak?

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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 19 2022, 07:37 PM)
plotek tu paham2 la...but shooting the messengers/sellers of the products? Apa sarahan sellers?

Mara is extreme example. But valid point too. Remember mara digital mall? Under diskriminasi Akta Dagangan tak?
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How to shoot manufacturers when they are overseas.

As for mara digital mall, akta dagangan use also for what. Bukan laku pun mara digital mall tu. People still got to Lowyat.
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People here just buy the best price product they need.

Palm oil or not, don't care.
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QUOTE(billy3336 @ Oct 19 2022, 07:31 PM)
i mean each free label got purpose

pork free- for Muslim
sugar free - for health or diabetic
alcohol free- for Muslim or Minor

what is palm oil free does?
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nothing. just merely stating without any favour.
It's all about choices.
If they wanna put whatever-free, so be it.

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Actually ang moh is the one trying to plotek-plotek their own vegetable oils.
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QUOTE(tupai @ Oct 19 2022, 07:39 PM)
How to shoot manufacturers when they are overseas.

As for mara digital mall, akta dagangan use also for what. Bukan laku pun mara digital mall tu. People still got to Lowyat.
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not able to shoot overseas manufacturers then shoot/threaten the local retailers with law? Then what difference is there on shooting the messengers?
Retailers just sell as long as there is market.
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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 19 2022, 07:42 PM)
not able to shoot overseas manufacturers then shoot/threaten the local retailers with law? Then what difference is there on shooting the messengers?
Retailers just sell as long as there is market.
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In a nutshell, yes. Shoot the seller.

Drugs also got market, but it's not allowed to be sold. So your argument as long as there is market cannot pakai.
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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 19 2022, 07:40 PM)
nothing. just merely stating without any favour.
It's all about choices.
If they wanna put whatever-free, so be it.
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then u answered it, nothing

what do u think people labels it for then?

u know the answer,just spill it out


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QUOTE(tupai @ Oct 19 2022, 07:44 PM)
In a nutshell, yes. Shoot the seller.

Drugs also got market, but it's not allowed to be sold. So your argument as long as there is market cannot pakai.
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Drugs are illegal products dangerous to health.

Apa sarahan sellers on selling palm-oil free product?
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QUOTE(billy3336 @ Oct 19 2022, 07:47 PM)
then u answered it, nothing

what do u think people labels it for then?

u know the answer,just spill it out
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Each segment has its own likes and dislikes.


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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 19 2022, 07:49 PM)
in marketing it's called market segmentation.
Each segment has its own likes and dislikes.
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I'm asking you a simple question, why do u think goods got labelled palm oil free? does palm oil are dangerous?


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I'm asking you a simple question, why do u think goods got labelled palm oil free? does palm oil are dangerous?
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read back my responses to tupai
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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 19 2022, 07:51 PM)
read back my responses to tupai
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no need pusing

u said why product can label alcohol free ah paraben free ah sugar free ah, why not palm oil free then?

each -free label got purpose

just answer me what is palm oil free really does? u knew the answer, but in denial mode

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no need pusing

u said why product can label alcohol free ah paraben free ah sugar free ah, why not palm oil free then?

each -free label got purpose

just answer me what is palm oil free really does? u knew the answer, but in denial mode
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it's similar to meat-free or pork-free or gluten-free whatever-free u can think of.

It might serve certain segments of consumers. What if the certain segment is allergic to palm oil?

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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 19 2022, 07:56 PM)
it's similar to meat-free or pork-free or gluten-free whatever-free u can think of.

It might serve certain segments of consumers. What if the certain segment is allergic to palm oil?
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what?
meat free- coz someone can't eat meat
pork free- coz their Muslim
gluten free- lol, some stomach cant tolerate

palm oil free- allergies to palm oil? u really believe that?

if allergies then one would put this product may contain palm oil etc, never i see "palm oil free" labels in it

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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 19 2022, 07:56 PM)
it's similar to meat-free or pork-free or gluten-free whatever-free u can think of.

It might serve certain segments of consumers. What if the certain segment is allergic to palm oil?
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Palm oil is low keras oil. Some pipul prefer hi keras oil.
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QUOTE(billy3336 @ Oct 19 2022, 07:59 PM)
what?
meat free- coz someone can't eat meat
pork free- coz their Muslim
gluten free- lol, some stomach cant tolerate

palm oil free- allergies to palm oil? u really believe that?

if allergies then one would put this product may contain palm oil etc, never i see "palm oil free" labels in it
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i'm not allergic to palm oil. So I dunno.

My one and only point is this - let's be a true democracy and let ppl have choices.
One of the weaknesses of Msia is that the market/economy is rife with a lot of unnecessary regulations that favour only certain groups.

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Some people listen to foreigner. Anything local is no good. That's why we have amdk and wumao
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I just dont get it - why must add oil into baby's milk formula?
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I just dont get it - why must add oil into baby's milk formula?
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Why ask me. I am not a baby formula manufacturer. The most I've done is making actual babies. Itu pun i just shoot the seeds.
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Yes. Lam Soon edible oil Sdn bhd want tongkat too.
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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 19 2022, 08:04 PM)
i'm not allergic to palm oil. So I dunno.

My one and only point is this - let's be a true democracy and let ppl have choices.
One of the weaknesses of Msia is that the market/economy is rife with a lot of unnecessary regulations that favour only certain groups.
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Lol do you even understand anything you're typing?
There is no "democracy" in groceries.
You dont really get to vote a representative to tell you what rice you're getting this month.

And regulations are important unless you dont care about whatever poison youre feeding your family.

As mentioned by others, labels have to have a purpose.
Tell us what is the purpose of "palm oil free" serves?

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Make everything 0% oil, even healthier.
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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 19 2022, 08:04 PM)
i'm not allergic to palm oil. So I dunno.

My one and only point is this - let's be a true democracy and let ppl have choices.
One of the weaknesses of Msia is that the market/economy is rife with a lot of unnecessary regulations that favour only certain groups.
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good that u mentioned economy

let's talk about that,

palm oil is a major economy income in Malaysia, people on outside banned ur product,shame it, making effect our income, so u support it in the name of "democracy"?

that's a big joke on you

this is a different case with buy Muslim product first, I'm strongly against that
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Actually ang moh is the one trying to plotek-plotek their own vegetable oils.
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i heard from old gen that in 70s and anytime before the mid 80s, we used coconut oil for cooking and the food tasted better

however when the US want to promote their own canola oil , they spread propaganda that coconut oil was the worst. and then our coconut no laku

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Make everything 0% oil, even healthier.
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Oct 19 2022, 08:05 PM)
I just dont get it - why must add oil into baby's milk formula?
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Baby formula needs a fatty acid to be as close in formulation as possible to human milk.

Cows milk that are used are mostly devoid of its fat as the main fat to it would have been removed for the manufacture of butter and cheese, therefore the next best aka cheapest shit to add to substitute it is none other than palm oil.


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QUOTE(R231_SL65_AMG @ Oct 19 2022, 09:13 PM)
Baby formula needs a fatty acid to be as close in formulation as possible to human milk.

Cows milk that are used are mostly devoid of its fat as the main fat to it would have been removed for the manufacture of butter and cheese, therefore the next best aka cheapest shit to add to substitute it is none other than palm oil.
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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Oct 19 2022, 07:34 PM)
great.

i bet those SJWs in the west never met a sawit tree before.

funny coz they think orang utan lives in palm oil land.
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Not sure trolling or what
I will assume you really don’t know and explain.

Those sjw anti palm oil exactly for the reason orang utan don’t live in palm oil land. Plantation destroy real hutan to grow oil palm.
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Oct 19 2022, 08:05 PM)
I just dont get it - why must add oil into baby's milk formula?
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Good question. From Google

Palm oil/olein (PO/POL) is used in infant formulas to imitate the fatty acid profile of human milk (HM) and achieve similar levels of palmitic acid (PA)
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QUOTE(killdavid @ Oct 19 2022, 09:56 PM)
Good question. From Google

Palm oil/olein (PO/POL) is used in infant formulas to imitate the fatty acid profile of human milk (HM) and achieve similar levels of palmitic acid (PA)
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well said.
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If we look further

They say there is convincing evidence that high consumption of palmitic acid can increase the risk of cardiovascular disease. One study has also linked high consumption of palmitic acid to a greater risk of obesity and insulin resistance, which is a precursor to type 2 diabetes


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QUOTE(hc7840 @ Oct 19 2022, 09:56 PM)
Not sure trolling or what
I will assume you really don’t know and explain.

Those sjw anti palm oil exactly for the reason orang utan don’t live in palm oil land. Plantation destroy real hutan to grow oil palm.
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lol. do you know what type of soil only can plant palm oil?

tanah gambut. (peat soil?)

orang utan dont live on tanah gambut land. they live in deep jungle.

thats why i say you SJWs are ignorant.
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QUOTE(killdavid @ Oct 19 2022, 10:00 PM)
If we look further

They say there is convincing evidence that high consumption of palmitic acid can increase the risk of cardiovascular disease. One study has also linked high consumption of palmitic acid to a greater risk of obesity and insulin resistance, which is a precursor to type 2 diabetes
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I’ve never seen anything I buy with this “Palm oil free” label before, and I always double check the ingredients labels to make sure stuff I buy doesn’t contain palm oil. Weird. Is it a common label?

Bloody disgusting oil. I will continue to avoid it as best as I can (if eating out can’t be helped, obviously). Call me unpatriotic or whatever. I don’t care.

I still remember when I was a kid and my favorite chocolate suddenly tasted horrible. All this stupid 3rd world oil’s fault.

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QUOTE(hc7840 @ Oct 19 2022, 09:56 PM)
Not sure trolling or what
I will assume you really don’t know and explain.

Those sjw anti palm oil exactly for the reason orang utan don’t live in palm oil land. Plantation destroy real hutan to grow oil palm.
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And the same can be said for all the other source of oil
Plus, the high yield of palm oil per area utilised means less jungle/forested area cleared compared to other sources.
You think they harvest wild sunflowers to get their oil?

QUOTE(killdavid @ Oct 19 2022, 10:00 PM)
If we look further

They say there is convincing evidence that high consumption of palmitic acid can increase the risk of cardiovascular disease. One study has also linked high consumption of palmitic acid to a greater risk of obesity and insulin resistance, which is a precursor to type 2 diabetes
LOL
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Not just palmitate
Any excessive free fatty acid will increase risk of obesity and insulin resistance
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QUOTE(jbcoder @ Oct 19 2022, 12:26 PM)
they study palmitic acid...

did you know dairy product contain more palmitic acid than palm oil itself....

dairy contain around 50-60% while palm only contain 44%. (from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5682332/ - PA is a major component of palm oil (44% of total fats), but significant amounts of PA can also be found in meat and dairy products (50–60% of total fats).
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QUOTE(dev/numb @ Oct 19 2022, 10:07 PM)
I’ve never seen anything I buy with this “Palm oil free” label before, and I always double check the ingredients labels to make sure stuff I buy doesn’t contain palm oil. Weird. Is it a common label?

Bloody disgusting oil. I will continue to avoid it. Call me unpatriotic or whatever. I don’t care.

I still remember when I was a kid and my favorite chocolate suddenly tasted horrible. All this stupid 3rd world oil’s fault.
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Yeah implying your favourite chocolate was not made from slavery free plantation

Palm oil is one of the most neutral tasting oil compared to other oil

You are not unpatriotic. You are just uninformed.

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QUOTE(cursetheroad01 @ Oct 19 2022, 08:29 PM)
Lol do you even understand anything you're typing?
There is no "democracy" in groceries.
You dont really get to vote a representative to tell you what rice you're getting this month.

And regulations are important unless you dont care about whatever poison youre feeding your family.

As mentioned by others, labels have to have a purpose.
Tell us what is the purpose of "palm oil free" serves?
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you seem to be confused with regulation and democracy.

Regulations are needed to protect the well-being of the consumers and the manufacturers to some extent (and not to the extent of blocking the sales of other products)

By having label of palm-oil free, the key question we should ask is whether the product causes health issues to the consumers, and not getting biased against the retailers selling the products with palm-oil free labels.

The reaction by the gomen seems to gear towards emotional standpoint rather than logical and clinical response.

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QUOTE(billy3336 @ Oct 19 2022, 08:29 PM)
good that u mentioned economy

let's talk about that,

palm oil is a major economy income in Malaysia, people on outside banned ur product,shame it, making effect our income, so u support it in the name of "democracy"?

that's a big joke on you

this is a different case with buy Muslim product first, I'm strongly against that
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I don't deny palm oil is one of the major products we export and use on daily basis.
But it is irrelevant to the choices ppl can/could have by having restrictions on other products simply because of the 'emotional' feeling we have towards palm oil products.

The world market will always have a knack for free market and FTAs. Having unnecessary enforcements will only do our economy a disservice.

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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 19 2022, 11:17 PM)
I don't deny palm oil is one of the major products we export and use on daily basis.
But it is irrelevant to the choices ppl can/could have by having restrictions on other products simply because of the 'emotional' feeling we have towards palm oil products.

The world market will always have a knack for free market and FTAs. Having unnecessary enforcements will only do our economy a disservice.
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The problem with your statement is that the attack on palm oil is based on the need to promote soy bean oil and other vegetables oils produced by the west. If such conduct is a free market practice as you said, then that free market is detrimental to the country economy hence, the need for enforcement.

Allowing such attack on palm oil is doing a disservice to our economy.

Somebody in this thread posted links to articles claiming palmitic acid found in palm oil can promote cancer growth in mice, but then, another forumer mentioned that palmitic acid (despite the word palm in it) it's not exclusively found in palm oil. It can be found in other fatty acids from dairy and animal meat as well, at a higher concentration.

So from there we can see that the attack on palm oil is just economically driven by producers of other vegetable oils. Yet here you are parroting their tactic out of ignorance and biasness.

Remember, free market doesn't and shouldn't involve slander to other competitors.
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So "pork free" how?

Discriminate against pork

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Make everything 0% oil, even healthier.
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So when PuAS make dalil about Palm oil free food ??
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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 19 2022, 11:08 PM)
you seem to be confused with regulation and democracy.

Regulations are needed to protect the well-being of the consumers and the manufacturers to some extent (and not to the extent of blocking the sales of other products)

By having label of palm-oil free, the key question we should ask is whether the product causes health issues to the consumers, and not getting biased against the retailers selling the products with palm-oil free labels.

The reaction by the gomen seems to gear towards emotional standpoint rather than logical and clinical response.
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Spoilers: its not
At least, not anymore than any other oil sourced from other plants

You either go "oil free", or not use labels that is objectively false and baseless

And great, youve googled what is "regulation"

Now go google the definition of democracy and read back your last post

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QUOTE(tupai @ Oct 19 2022, 11:32 PM)
The problem with your statement is that the attack on palm oil is based on the need to promote soy bean oil and other vegetables oils produced by the west. If such conduct is a free market practice as you said, then that free market is detrimental to the country economy hence, the need for enforcement.

Allowing such attack on palm oil is doing a disservice to our economy.

Somebody in this thread posted links to articles claiming palmitic acid found in palm oil can promote cancer growth in mice, but then, another forumer mentioned that palmitic acid (despite the word palm in it) it's not exclusively found in palm oil. It can be found in other fatty acids from dairy and animal meat as well, at a higher concentration.

So from there we can see that the attack on palm oil is just economically driven by producers of other vegetable oils. Yet here you are parroting their tactic out of ignorance and biasness.

Remember, free market doesn't and shouldn't involve slander to other competitors.
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First, nowhere in my statements is on the attack of palm-oil in any way.

Does selling other products with palm-oil free label imply promoting other competitors' products and belittling our national product? It doesn't seem so.
It's just more choices that consumers can have, especially for those who really dislike the palm-oil ingredient.

Most of the attacks happened in western markets, by the producers of other vege/flower oils.
If their gomens tried to ban all products containing the palm-oil, then the responses by the ministry is logical.

However, the ban on palm-oil by EU is only on the biofuel, and not on every single product that contains the palm-oil. So far I don't even see a car running on biofuels extracted from palm oil in Msia. So I guess the impact is minimal.
https://www.iscc-system.org/eco-business-wi...an-on-palm-oil/

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QUOTE(cursetheroad01 @ Oct 19 2022, 11:48 PM)
Spoilers: its not
At least, not anymore than any other oil sourced from other plants

You either go "oil free", or not use labels that is objectively false and baseless

And great, youve googled what is "regulation"

Now go google the definition of democracy and read back your last post
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One mistake i made is getting confused with democracy and free will and the freedom to choose.

And that confusion always mislead me to the conclusion that the free will and freedom to choose a gomen is implying the freedom to have choices, unlike the communists.
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The US a threat and an enemy yet many still buy Apple iPhone ..

So ..Ade mereka kisah palm oil x laku??

Ohh yay!! The government itself choose BMW, Honda, Toyota, Merz as official cars over local ones

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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 19 2022, 11:52 PM)
First, nowhere in my statements is on the attack of palm-oil in any way.

Does selling other products with palm-oil free label imply promoting other competitors' products and belittling our national product? It doesn't seem so.
It's just more choices that consumers can have, especially for those who really dislike the palm-oil ingredient.

Most of the attacks happened in western markets, by the producers of other vege/flower oils.
If their gomens tried to ban all products containing the palm-oil, then the responses by the ministry is logical.

However, the ban on palm-oil by EU is only on the biofuel, and not on every single product that contains the palm-oil. So far I don't even see a car running on biofuels extracted from palm oil in Msia. So I guess the impact is minimal.
https://www.iscc-system.org/eco-business-wi...an-on-palm-oil/
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The label palm oil free came from the smear campaign against the usage of palm oil in processed food. So manufacturers who are tapping into this market will use the label to attract customers who are influenced by the smear campaign.

So allowing such labelling into a country that is one of the main producer of palm oil is a bad move.

Malaysia is fighting against the smear campaign to protect our economy.

It's not just biofuel. The smear campaign against palm oil began years ago. Last time got adds in Europe by these people claiming that if you eat KitKat it's like eating orangutan fingers.

Heck, i still remember back when I was in high school already the smear campaign against palm oil was in the news. That was way back in mid 90s.

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QUOTE(tupai @ Oct 20 2022, 12:09 AM)
The label palm oil free came from the smear campaign against the usage of palm oil in processed food. So manufacturers who are tapping into this market will use the label to attract customers who are influenced by the smear campaign.

So allowing such labelling into a country that is one of the main producer of palm oil is a bad move.

Malaysia is fighting against the smear campaign to protect our economy.

It's not just biofuel. The smear campaign against palm oil began years ago. Last time got adds in Europe by these people claiming that if you eat KitKat it's like eating orangutan fingers.

Heck, i still remember back when I was in high school already the smear campaign against palm oil was in the news. That was way back in mid 90s.
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Having a smear campaign on palm oil on palm oil-producing country soil. Do you think this tactic works?

If the smear campaign happened in western countries, how did our palm oil industry respond? Continue selling raw palm oil?

Whatever the responses, we have to recognise the fact that palm oil is merely one of the many eatable oils in the world. It's how we respond to the competition and campaigns with much better products.

For example, palm oil as biofuel. Why are we still running on coals or petroleum for power generation when there is alternative like palm oil biofuel? Why are our industry players only thinking about selling raw products instead of value-adding them or turning them to better quality products with economy of scale?

We can't blame others when our own industry players always cry FAMA when the market gets competitive.

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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 20 2022, 12:01 AM)
One mistake i made is getting confused with democracy and free will and the freedom to choose.

And that confusion always mislead me to the conclusion that the free will and freedom to choose a gomen is implying the freedom to have choices, unlike the communists.
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You mean authoritarianism?

Democracy is not to fight communism
Democracy is to fight capitalism

Related, but pretty irrelevant to current discussion.

Falsely advertising using slanderous labelling is very anti consumers.
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QUOTE(cursetheroad01 @ Oct 20 2022, 12:24 AM)
You mean authoritarianism?

Democracy is not to fight communism
Democracy is to fight capitalism

Related, but pretty irrelevant to current discussion.

Falsely advertising using slanderous labelling is very anti consumers.

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If the local manufacturers or industry players think that this is false-advertisement, they should take action thru legal means by having court orders to stop the label from being used because of the certain law it violates.

Having threatened the retailers/sellers is very anti-consumers because the reaction seems to grow out of fear tactic.
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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 20 2022, 12:31 AM)
If the local manufacturers or industry players think that this is false-advertisement, they should take action thru legal means by having court orders to stop the label from being used because of the certain law it violates.

Having threatened the retailers/sellers is very anti-consumers because the reaction seems to grow out of fear tactic.
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Dude......
Do you even read what you post?
Do you even understand the words you're using?
How is reprimanding CORPORATES for using false info to advertise their product is anti CONSUMERS?
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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 20 2022, 12:22 AM)
Having a smear campaign on palm oil on palm oil-producing country soil. Do you think this tactic works?

If the smear campaign happened in western countries, how did our palm oil industry respond? Continue selling raw palm oil?

Whatever the responses, we have to recognise the fact that palm oil is merely one of the many eatable oils in the world. It's how we respond to the competition and campaigns with much better products.

For example, palm oil as biofuel. Why are we still running on coals or petroleum for power generation when there is alternative like palm oil biofuel? Why are our industry players only thinking about selling raw products instead of value-adding them or turning them to better quality products with economy of scale?

We can't blame others when our own industry players always cry FAMA when the market gets competitive.
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Adoi, you commented without doing any research. Who said we only sell raw palm oil?

Haiya

As for biodiesel, it just cost more to process biodiesel compared to just diesel especially in Malaysia. Still if you see B5 diesel at petrol pump in this country, that's biodiesel with 5% palm oil

Indonesia on the other hand, makes it mandatory to use b30 biodiesel


Haiya. You think biodiesel is 100% palm oil is it?

Power generation requires more heating value compared to what diesel or petrol can give. Thus, they use coal Cheaper too. Did you know power generation is basically a giant water kettle?

Coal or nuclear power is used to heat up water until it become high pressure steam. Then the steam is used to move steam turbines thus producing electricity.

You don't fricking use diesel or petrol to boil water

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Dude......
Do you even read what you post?
Do you even understand the words you're using?
How is reprimanding CORPORATES for using false info to advertise their product is anti CONSUMERS?
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Have you read the TS first post?

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Have you read the TS first post?
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Yes and the fines are against those that use the labels on their products
Not those that buy the products with said label

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Have you read the TS first post?
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TS post is about taking action to retailers. Not to consumers
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QUOTE(tupai @ Oct 20 2022, 12:38 AM)
Adoi, you commented without doing any research. Who said we only sell raw palm oil?

Haiya

As for biodiesel, it just cost more to process biodiesel compared to just diesel especially in Malaysia. Still if you see B5 diesel at petrol pump in this country, that's biodiesel with 5% palm oil

Indonesia on the other hand, makes it mandatory to use b30 biodiesel
Haiya. You think biodiesel is 100% palm oil is it?

Power generation requires more heating value compared to what diesel or petrol can give. Thus, they use coal  Cheaper too. Did you know power generation is basically a giant water kettle?

Coal or nuclear power is used to heat up water until it become high pressure steam. Then the steam is used to move steam turbines thus producing electricity.

You don't fricking use diesel or petrol to boil water
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You see. The whole point here is about the demand of palm oil.
If there is demand, we don't have to worry about the smear campaigns.

That's why I mentioned economy of scale.
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QUOTE(tupai @ Oct 20 2022, 12:41 AM)
TS post is about taking action to retailers. Not to consumers
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QUOTE(cursetheroad01 @ Oct 20 2022, 12:41 AM)
Yes and the fines are against those that use the labels on their products
Not those that buy the products with said label
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once you take action on retailers, consumers are left with limited choices.

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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 20 2022, 12:46 AM)
You see. The whole point here is about the demand of palm oil. 
If there is demand, we don't have to worry about the smear campaigns.

That's why I mentioned economy of scale.
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There's demand. Still why wouldn't we fight slander. You like discrimination?
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once you take action on retailers, consumers are left with limited choices.
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They can still produce and sell those products here minus the label. The ingredients list is still there if consumers don't want palm oil.

It's not a big deal for manufacturers to use different packaging for different countries
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There's demand. Still why wouldn't we fight slander. You like discrimination?
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does pork-free also imply discrimination? I don't think so. Because it serves certain segment of population.
We must fight slander with proper channel aka court of law, not by fear tactic by fining poor retailers.

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QUOTE(tupai @ Oct 20 2022, 12:50 AM)
They can still produce and sell those products here minus the label. The ingredients list is still there if consumers don't want palm oil.

It's not a big deal for manufacturers to use different packaging for different countries
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yes, and it should be done in proper channel. Taking action by fining them or blocking the sales is very anti-free market.
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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 20 2022, 12:46 AM)
You see. The whole point here is about the demand of palm oil. 
If there is demand, we don't have to worry about the smear campaigns.

That's why I mentioned economy of scale.
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There's demand for rhino horns so i guess we shouldn't ban rhino poaching, yes?

I am now convinced you're a troll

No one can be this stupid to keep getting definitions wrong yet using the words with confidence, and this dense to not see the issue where the using of such labels is at best useless and at worst slanderous, which culminates to false advertising

Shalom
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QUOTE(cursetheroad01 @ Oct 20 2022, 12:52 AM)
There's demand for rhino horns so i guess we shouldn't ban rhino poaching, yes?

I am now convinced you're a troll

No one can be this stupid to keep getting definitions wrong yet using the words with confidence, and this dense to not see the issue where the using of such labels is at best useless and at worst slanderous, which culminates to false advertising

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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 20 2022, 12:50 AM)
does pork-free also imply discrimination? I don't think so. Because it serves certain segment of population.
We must fight slander with proper channel aka court of law, not fearing tactic by fining poor retailers.
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The fine is based on proper law.

Pork free is not discrimination. Simply because the usage of pork free label is not used to slander anyone or any pork.

Besides, for manufactured foods, seldom you see pork free label. Usually it's the halal or kosher labels are used.

Palm oil free label are based upon slander and smear campaign of soy oil manufacturers.
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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 20 2022, 12:50 AM)
does pork-free also imply discrimination? I don't think so. Because it serves certain segment of population.
We must fight slander with proper channel aka court of law, not by fear tactic by fining poor retailers.
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Pork free is used to inform those that cannot eat pork which mainly out of religious/cultural requirements

Palm oil free is used to inform who?


Edit: alright im done repeating the same shit

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yes, and it should be done in proper channel. Taking action by fining them or blocking the sales is very anti-free market.
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Slander labelling is also very anti free market.
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Pork free is used to inform those that cannot eat pork which mainly out of religious/cultural requirements

Palm oil free is used to inform who?
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that's for those who produced the label to answer. And definitely not the retailers.
Whether it violates the law or not, the court will need to decide. That's why I emphasise the proper channel, not by fear tactic.
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Slander labelling is also very anti free market.
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there's certainly court of law for that.
The fines are purely opinionated action by the authorities, like the slander on paint brushes that contained pig hair that caused the losses on the retailers/sellers.

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QUOTE(tupai @ Oct 20 2022, 12:55 AM)
The fine is based on proper law.

Pork free is not discrimination. Simply because the usage of pork free label is not used to slander anyone or any pork.

Besides, for manufactured foods, seldom you see pork free label. Usually it's the halal or kosher labels are used.

Palm oil free label are based upon slander and smear campaign of soy oil manufacturers.
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unless there is a label saying palm oil is detrimental on the product itself (now that's slanderous) like the cigarettes labels, i'd believe otherwise.

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The law makes sense a lot. Western countries are trying to villify palm oil for the sake of promoting their own oil (sunflower, olive etc)

Their main point is we are destroying tropical rainforest for its plantations.

But palm oil actually yields the most per acre of land, more cost effective resulting better price for the consumer. Imagine using olive oil for your everyday cookings. And its actually not that bad compared to other vege oils nutrition wise.

Please stop trying to associate everything with discrmination and politics. Palm oil is a big contributor to Malaysia economy which means if its going down, its definitely going to affect the local economy and indirectly affects us the Malaysian people.

Passing a law requires majority vote. And I'm sure all the parties agree with this in the parliment that's why it got passed. This law benefits *our people*, that's all that matters.
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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 20 2022, 12:22 AM)
Having a smear campaign on palm oil on palm oil-producing country soil. Do you think this tactic works?

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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 20 2022, 12:46 AM)
You see. The whole point here is about the demand of palm oil. 
If there is demand, we don't have to worry about the smear campaigns.

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don't worry you said. don't be naive
why the smear campaigns towards palm oil exist in first place?
because the west worry for their own oil commodity
they want to plotek their economy
as any nation would and should

lol..just read some comments here. Smear campaign definitely works. Do not underestimate the power of sentiment.

sugar free = sugar bad for you
cholesterol free = cholesterol bad for you
palm oil free = what do you think the manufacturers from those countries want to imply?

you see it repeatedly often enough and anyone would start to believe it

i could give another eg. why Dap failed and is still failing to get Malay supports? The anti-islam, anti-everything sentiment is real and deep. Smear campaigns work.

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QUOTE(amandamai @ Oct 20 2022, 01:15 AM)
don't worry you said. don't be naive
why the smear campaigns towards palm oil exist in first place?
because the west worry for their own oil commodity
they want to plotek their economy
as any nation would and should

lol..just read some comments here. Smear campaign definitely works. Do not underestimate the power of sentiment.

sugar free = sugar bad for you
cholesterol free  = cholesterol bad for you
palm oil free = what do you think the manufacturers from those countries want to imply?

you see it repeatedly often enough and anyone would start to believe it

i could give another eg. why Dap failed  and is still failing to get Malay supports? The anti-islam, anti-everything sentiment is real and deep. Smear campaigns work.
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and the responses to smear campaigns thru fear tactics is causing more damages than it should (e.g. losses to retailers)

Did Dap respond to the smear campaigns by ending fund allocations to Umno/BN supporters areas in Penang or Selangor? No. They go thru proper channel aka court of law on any slanderous comments.
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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Oct 19 2022, 04:33 PM)
i wouldn't say 100% palm oil inside. but i cannot imagine myself opening a bottle of cooking oil and chug it down, so i cannot imagine myself doing the same with those damned creamers.

got certain brands still susu pekat and susu sejat that have 0% palm oil added.
if you see a krimer pekat or a krimer sejat - have the word "creamer" -, THAT definitely contains palm oil.
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https://siakapkeli.my/2019/06/30/apa-beza-s...na-potong-kaki/

Here goes in detail on all the variants

You do the math la, krimer Manis can imagine how much actual milk is inside after being dehydrated, added 50% sugar, actual milk fat removed and replaced with palm oil.
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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 20 2022, 01:32 AM)
and the responses to smear campaigns thru fear tactics is causing more damages than it should (e.g. losses to retailers)

Did Dap respond to the smear campaigns by ending fund allocations to Umno/BN supporters areas in Penang or Selangor? No. They go thru proper channel aka court of law on any slanderous comments.
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gov is protecting the country's economy but
you are veryyyy pro-retailers. Retailers who can sell pretty much everything under the sun, minus the anti palm oil label of course but die die still want to do the prohibited, then claim wahh fear tactics by gov. The rules against discriminatory label are there for a reason which many have explained .

do you think the Usa government will let their supermarkets sell imported food from Malaysia to sell to small demographic of Malaysian there with label 'CANOLA OIL FREE!"? laugh la

dap cutting off fund is stupid. they are cutting off potential votes and supports.
just like letting those retailers off to do whatever and hurting the economy. both are stupid

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gov is protecting the country's economy but
you are veryyyy pro-retailers. Retailers who can sell pretty much everything under the sun, minus the anti palm oil label of course  but die die still want to do the prohibited, then claim wahh fear tactics by gov. The rules against discriminatory label are there for a reason which many have explained .

do you think the Usa government will let their supermarkets sell imported food from Malaysia to sell to small demographic of Malaysian there with label 'CANOLA OIL FREE!"? laugh la

dap cutting off fund is stupid. they are cutting off potential votes and supports.
just like letting those retailers off to do whatever and hurting the economy. both are stupid
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There is nothing wrong with gomen protecting the country's economy, especially more so in current situation when our currency is LACKING protection to fight price inflations across the board.

I'm not pro-retailers. I myself is a consumer. Whether palm-oil free label is a violation of law, we should have a proper decision as this is a very subjective item.
When the employees are found to have minor offences that violated the company's regulations, does the employers sack them straight away or issue warning letter first?

If the authorities find them in violation of law or regulation, proper warnings should be given to the impacted retailers (who might be ignorant) instead of threatening to fine/jail them. It gives out negative vibes to everyone like the smear campaigns. The warnings can serve as a reminder and buffer period for these retailers to remove the labels from the products before reselling them while not causing any potential losses due to import related costs.

Better still, if the authorities maintain a list of constantly-updated products under prohibition or need further action before reselling is allowed for them to synch with the retailers inventory systems for warning purposes.

As I emphasised, there should be a proper channel for win-win situation, while not causing grief and pain to the affected parties. If the retailers still ignore the warning on purpose or feel that this rule can be challenged, then proper channel aka court of law should apply.
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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 20 2022, 09:41 AM)
There is nothing wrong with gomen protecting the country's economy, especially more so in current situation when our currency is LACKING protection to fight price inflations across the board.

I'm not pro-retailers. I myself is a consumer. Whether palm-oil free label is a violation of law, we should have a proper decision as this is a very subjective item.
When the employees are found to have minor offences that violated the company's regulations, does the employers sack them straight away or issue warning letter first?

If the authorities find them in violation of law or regulation, proper warnings should be given to the impacted retailers (who might be ignorant) instead of threatening to fine/jail them. It gives out negative vibes to everyone like the smear campaigns. The warnings can serve as a reminder and buffer period for these retailers to remove the labels from the products before reselling them while not causing any potential losses due to import related costs.

Better still, if the authorities maintain a list of constantly-updated products under prohibition or need further action before reselling is allowed for them to synch with the retailers inventory systems for warning purposes.

As I emphasised, there should be a proper channel for win-win situation, while not causing grief and pain to the affected parties. If the retailers still ignore the warning on purpose or feel that this rule can be challenged, then proper channel aka court of law should apply.
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i give the news link English.

https://www.thesundaily.my/home/mpoc-suppor...bels-IB10005085

Retailers can't play the dumb and ignorant card always. they're very aware and yet still doing it hoping they never get caught. we know this country's enforcement can be weak. and people got away with a lot of things eg smoking in eateries.

I don't know how the latest enforcement were being done. perhaps they did give warning letter first. perhaps they had been given multiple warning letters before. Akta Perihal Dagangan or Trade Description Act 2011. The parliament and dewan negara have debated and passed this law. This is not dispute between 2 aggrieved parties where everything want to be settled at court.

What negative vibes do the fine and prison sentence give? It means gov is serious to protect the palm oil industry. Just like mandatory death sentence for drug trafficking. People think multiple times to bring illegal drug into Malaysia.

Retailers have the responsibility to be informed and law obliging. Don't cry ignorant when they get caught. You don't need to worry for them. Don't baby them too much. This is Malaysia. Can always plead for leniency.
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QUOTE(amandamai @ Oct 20 2022, 11:40 AM)
i give the news link English.

https://www.thesundaily.my/home/mpoc-suppor...bels-IB10005085

Retailers can't play the dumb and ignorant card always. they're very aware and yet still doing it hoping they never get caught. we know this country's enforcement can be weak. and people got away with a lot of things eg smoking in eateries.

I don't know how the latest enforcement were being done. perhaps they did give warning letter first. perhaps they had been given multiple warning letters before. Akta Perihal Dagangan or Trade Description Act 2011. The parliament and dewan negara have debated and passed this law. This is not dispute between 2 aggrieved parties where everything want to be settled at court.

What negative vibes do the fine and prison sentence give? It means gov is serious to protect the palm oil industry. Just like mandatory death sentence for drug trafficking. People think multiple times to bring illegal drug into Malaysia.

Retailers have the responsibility to be informed and law obliging. Don't cry ignorant when they get caught. You don't need to worry for them. Don't baby them too much. This is Malaysia. Can always plead for leniency.
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i'd blame it on the disorganisation and lack of coordination between various gomen depts.

If the products are prohibited, why are they still allowed by the customs?
If they are allowed by the customs, why are the domestic trade ministry/agency blocking them from being sold or threatening the retailers with jails/fines?

The comparison with drugs is on the extreme, because the product ingredients have no problems in the first place. It's only about labels. And the media tried to blow things out of proportion.

The enforcement might be lacking in some cases. But having seen how stupid some regulations are (e.g. shops must put up flags or getting fined by city council), I don't have much confidence in the fairness of the so-called regulations.
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QUOTE(abc2005 @ Oct 20 2022, 12:23 PM)
i'd blame it on the disorganisation and lack of coordination between various gomen depts.

If the products are prohibited, why are they still allowed by the customs?
If they are allowed by the customs, why are the domestic trade ministry/agency blocking them from being sold or threatening the retailers with jails/fines?

The comparison with drugs is on the extreme, because the product ingredients have no problems in the first place. It's only about labels. And the media tried to blow things out of proportion.

The enforcement might be lacking in some cases. But having seen how stupid some regulations are (e.g. shops must put up flags or getting fined by city council), I don't have much confidence in the fairness of the so-called regulations.
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the products are not prohibited.
the anti label is
understand or not?
can read the title again




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Eh freedom a bit la. Gluten free, bovine free, all should can sell. Let consumers make decision.
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QUOTE(nate_nightroad @ Oct 19 2022, 12:36 PM)
Diu i read the label and ingredients myself to avoid palm oil
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Actuallt what's wrong with Palm Oil?
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Actuallt what's wrong with Palm Oil?
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The product is fine. But the way we cleared forest for the plantation is killing the ecology, our biodiversity, and orang utan are badly affected. Near extinction bro. And still our government said “it’s sustainable”

Eu all boycott palm oil until the ukrain war because they exporting sunflower seed oil to europe. No choice but to buy palm oil. The price goes up, hence bangala la go work in plantation and food services are affected.

How lucky is malaysia. Covid time we got rubber. Ukraine crisis we have palm oil
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QUOTE(lioncarlsberg @ Oct 21 2022, 01:15 PM)
Actuallt what's wrong with Palm Oil?
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The biggest consumer of palm oil is nestle. I no longer drink milo as boycott
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Good move. Fuck those western seed oil
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No Gluten, sugar free, no salt.......halal
Also discrimination?
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QUOTE(tupai @ Oct 20 2022, 12:12 AM)
Apakah ke-tolol-an ini.
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Malaysia memang tolol , sampai makanan pun kena ban sana sini, betul betul tolol punya Malaysia
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QUOTE(nate_nightroad @ Oct 21 2022, 01:23 PM)
The product is fine. But the way we cleared forest for the plantation is killing the ecology, our biodiversity, and orang utan are badly affected. Near extinction bro. And still our government said “it’s sustainable”

Eu all boycott palm oil until the ukrain war because they exporting sunflower seed oil to europe. No choice but to buy palm oil. The price goes up, hence bangala la go work in plantation and food services are affected.

How lucky is malaysia. Covid time we got rubber. Ukraine crisis we have palm oil
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so when eu or American clear their jungle for development, it's ok(they hunt their fox for sports, it's getting extinct)

but when we clear it, it's not, what kind of double standard is that?
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QUOTE(billy3336 @ Oct 21 2022, 09:41 PM)
so when eu or American clear their jungle for development, it's ok(they hunt their fox for sports, it's getting extinct)

but when we clear it, it's not, what kind of double standard is that?
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Their forest no biodiversity. Ours are tropical, much more precious
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QUOTE(nate_nightroad @ Oct 21 2022, 10:33 PM)
Their forest no biodiversity. Ours are tropical, much more precious
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what? their jungle also got biodiversity,just another kind and destroyed

jungle are jungle,there are no value to it or more previous than others

and they send plastic waste/rare earth waste from their country to 3rd world country like here so their country remain green

Don't feed into their nonsense, in theirs world only they can be right,ours are wrong

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QUOTE(mac_mac21 @ Oct 21 2022, 09:29 PM)
Malaysia memang tolol , sampai makanan pun kena ban sana sini, betul betul tolol punya Malaysia
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You also tolol. They don't ban the food. They are taking action due to the label.

Next time save some tolol for your descendants.
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Sohai meh all this ppl here, there say is don put palm oil free label, say until like what lan force ppl eat palm oil. Malaysian comprehension level is like negative.
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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Oct 19 2022, 12:29 PM)
oh please laahh....

we realy need to stop making creamers and start using real milk.

krimer manis = dicampur minyak sawit
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