Sifu sifu, need some help here.TNB just came and suspected us tempering the TNB meter for curi eletrick but the unit has been rented out for a decade or so. So not sure if the meter has been tempered by the previous tenant before or not. but probably TNB is looking for $$$ and saman. Can any sifus shed some light or experience in handling such a predicament? They haven't summoned me for a talk yet.

Many thanks in advance!

This post has been edited by anzen600: Sep 29 2022, 02:40 PM

Bayar je lah... cannot argue...

We paid RM12k for "meter tempering" and can't even get discount at all... can't argue also...

Tampered meter cannot be disputed. Even go to Court also you lose. Just pay and settle, no two way 😞

i think TS want to ask IF tenant tempered with the meter how to get them to be accountable for it.

kawan aku baru kene kat umah sewe dier. TNB cakap bayar start dari die duduk until now. yang balance tu biar owner bayar. kesiannn. so dier deal ngan owner tak tau macam mana. saman tu pun TNB tak bagitau berapa. maybe dier post to owner terus kot.

Current tenant ckp not them, of cuz I have no prove as well

walao, installment can ka? very huge sum leh

no proof then ggliao

Too bad lah, nothing you can do. Best is negotiate a discount or installment plan.

I knew of one case, I talked about it here.
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=103453827

Old retired lady with OKU kid, tenant was bitcoin mining and ran up an 80K bill then ran away because TNB told him first. Now the old lady going through court case with a lawyer friend of mine who handling the case for free, but he say no chance lah have to hope TNB come to some agreement ... because found out while filing suit against the tenant that he actually declared bankrupt, so even if win judgement against him can't get him to pay so TNB will come find the owner.

Who’s name who bayar. Isn’t it like that?

Cannot argue...
That the sad part...

Good part..
Can negotiate the $$$
Pay installments.... & Maybe some discount / rebate. Case on case basis 🙏

i see.
well take it as a life lesson then.
now to figure out how to prevent it from happening again with your new tenants.

if smart meter then harder, probably TS one still old meter

so sad.

next time rent out must ask the tenant apply themself for the electric.

Kalau tak silap....even the tenant applies their own, and later depa dah cabut; tak bayar, then you as a owner wont be able to have new electricity until the previous bill settled!

oh sheet

but nowdays saw alot advertisement smart aso can do it...

Pm

Commercial, Industrial or Residential?

Anyway, a lot of scammer since you mentioned that you are not required to discuss with them yet especially the inspection is out of thin air. Just be extra careful.

.. ok.. once they found that you tempered the meter, they will first change a new meter for you... after that they will start to check ur usage for few months, then they will use that as a baseline and check since when the usage drop from previously statement it might go all the way back to 1 or 2 years. then will use that as a starting point and calculate the difference with the baseline and charge you accordingly. so try to control ur electrical usage for now till you get your penalty statement.

Residential oh

This one real life experience ka? My tenant ckp got device to detect how many % of power been tampered wor. So canggih

Bad luck ts.

Owes change name to tenant for each contract.

This is a no negotiable salahan drop on u.

Got they say. No u say.

What u can say is nego discount and instalment.

Based on my close associate experience, for them to decide your meter had been tampered, the meter must first be removed and replaced. Then, they will calculate the input and output with the reading on the meter to determine the percentage loss. Based on it, they will total the sum for duration at their discretion x the percentage loss. It's non-negotiable but you can discuss a repayment plan.

Anyway, his is industrial.

Got bro mentioned even change name to tenant if they reluctant to pay or cabut you as owner will lai yeh oso.. Really fck la mcm ni

Thanks bro for the info. But weird thing is for my case is that they didn't replace meter but laporan instead to tnb for further action.

From what I know, tnb will fix another new meter next to the existing. If there is no tampering, reading should be the same or almost close giving small variance to wear and tear of existing meter.

If the diff is big, then tampering is obvious.

This is proof if owner decide to bring the case to court.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Sep 28 2022, 09:50 PM

Yes, can but you will kantoi terus as Smart Meter will be able to inform on you the moment they been tampered with 😅

This is normal for them to monitor your usage until they collect back the meter for analysis. Then they will send you the penalty after determining % of deviations from the meter itself 😁

This post has been edited by tgeoklin: Sep 29 2022, 09:29 AM

Aiya fck lar like this, haha

my relative also kena recently during changing ke smart meter - why dont u ask them and try to settle on spot
try to see if they want to settle with u la, if got chance to settle , but settle faster if open file and kes to tnb hq...mampus man
if u got the person contact better call n ajak runding runding la

the old meter they got give u chance to revert back original or not ? some can...
did they do anything to your old meter ?

12k is alot bro, commercial ka?

No wor, just leave it here like that. No tukar of meter etc. the house is about 10+ yrs la

then shd have chance le, why dont u contact the person who come and check ? or different teams ?
if different teams susah la ...means its highlighted kes

the meter if like the previous posts sharing, did u see anything next to your meter or anything else they stick onto your meter ?
if kossong then shd have chance to revert...like some other posts sharing in forum
but if already got ...susah also

whats your current usage if 5 ppl and under 100rm..then confirm mampos ...

see how u tampered only...
i got some friend successful.. but dunno when will gonna caught by tnb

Home... Haha... Just pay only...

That's because TNB busy with other matters as there's no way the meter can be tampered without them not knowing 😇 ......... anyone who tells you otherwise is taking you for a ride ☺️

Do they install something to monitor? How do they determine?

Mine also TNB change new meter last year March same monthly usage rm20-30 till this year July change again new TNB meter even lower first month usage rm18 but TNB send me letter my case upgrade to tampered they found neutral wire reverse & fine rm2k.

Walao this mcm day light robbery wor, simply force ppl mkn kucing mati ka

This very likely tampered meter case, TNB won't simply accused one as otherwise go Court they will lose 😅

Easy jer, they can tell which parts been replaced ....... only 100% way is actually not to touch the meter but directly tap onto the incoming before the meter 😇

But TNB change it last year 2021 March maybe start wrongly reverse neutral wiring from there?
This year 2022 July during TNB change new meter only found neutral reversed can it be they done wrong last year ?

What was your average bill b4 March meter replacement ?

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Sep 30 2022, 04:18 PM

Rm20-30 only.

During that time MCO nobody home we stay at Spore.

This post has been edited by chungf1: Sep 30 2022, 04:28 PM

Currently when usage is back to normal after mco and everyone is at home, still 20 ?

What was the billing b4 mco ?

Now still stay at Spore latest rm18.

B4 MCO billing rm130+.

This post has been edited by chungf1: Sep 30 2022, 05:23 PM

On the assumption that you are right, then you should stand your ground and insist that TNB proved that you were the one to have tampered with the meter 😇

Do noted that untampered meter are security tagged with serial rivets which cannot be duplicated unless you are willing to spend a lot of $$$
to do it 😅

Now shd be who's name reg, dia bayar, last 2 years my tenant didn't pay for his bill RM12k+, I thug siap kali ni but they allow me to cut and change back my name

This is why l call TNB careline requesting an appointment to clear this matter.

get one of those plug type usage meter... test and see readings lari a lot or not... confirm yourself how bad first lah...

is the seal broken?... did tnb found the seal broken... or just suspect because reading drop?...

anyways if tenant really broke the seal n tamper... you might as well tamper and adjust back to normal... got nothing to lose already... lol...

This post has been edited by dwRK: Oct 1 2022, 09:45 AM

Good to know!, thanks for sharing.

Some time back there was couple of owners complaining that they could transfer the name back to them since the tenant dah lari. And there was a huge tuck a war, but these process had been smoothen now, then its good for the owners

Err what's the process to transfer the owner yeah? Really heart attack liao

Can't remember clearly the process, just call TNB, my experience is everything settle from home(online), not even need to go TNB, hope this help

Change Account Name for Premise Owners
09/01/2022
Based on Tenaga Nasional Berhad (TNB) records, there are residential and commercial premise owners that rented out their properties. These owners have the option to change the electricity account name of their rental properties to the tenant’s name by performing Change of Tenancy (COT) during the rental period to ensure orderly account management besides protecting landlords’ rights.

Changing the name of the account owner to the tenants allows the latter to be fully responsible for their electricity consumption and bill payment.

TNB Chief Retail Officer, Datuk Ir. Megat Jalaluddin Megat Hassan says, “TNB makes it easy for customers to apply for COT on the myTNB portal at www.mytnb.com.my or by visiting the nearest Kedai Tenaga. Further information and required supporting documents for the name change are available on myTNB portal.

“Premise owners can still monitor tenants’ monthly payment and usage patterns over time through the myTNB application and portal,” added Megat.
https://www.tnb.com.my/announcements/change...-premise-owners

CLARIFICATION ON TENANT-LANDLORD MATTERS REGARDING ELECTRICITY SUPPLY
https://www.tnb.com.my/assets/files/TNB_VAS...ooklet_2016.pdf

But did he say what is the procedures if the outstanding remain unpaid by tenant ?

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Oct 5 2022, 04:11 PM

not 100% sure of the procedure,...but the consequences of liabilities had been spelled out.



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Liabilities is obviously on the account holder.

The reconnection is the issue if is not paid.

some reconnection FAQs is in that earlier link too.

FAQs doesnt recognised by reconnection dept.

They will tell customers that they will ask the account holder to pay. Once paid, they do reconnection.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Oct 5 2022, 04:22 PM

Actually this one also didnt mention if the landlord can apply to re sambung the electric or not. If tnb not holding the landlord responsible but also x kasi re sambung the eletric unless kena kasi clear the arrears oso the same bah

account holder (tenant) left,...outstanding no pay to TNB,...
TNB ask property owner to chase ex tenant to pay up?

if that goes on, unpaid,..property owner cannot rent out unit to other tenant?

Exactly.

Otherwise all their debts will be reaching the sky.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Oct 5 2022, 07:26 PM

https://asklegal.my/p/tenant-didnt-pay-tnb-bills-what-to-do
..However, it is highly advisable (even by TNB themselves) to implement a change in name if you ever rent out your property because why take the risk of legal actions for unpaid bills? Aside from that, if you are the registered account holder, you will be found guilty if your tenant violates the Electrical Supply Act 1990 whether or not you committed the offences or were even aware of them (an example is tampering with the meter).

Now that you know all this, go free and sleep well in the thought of zero debts to TNB (other than your own)...

Also, read the comments/feedback section of the article - feedback from real-life situations

Whether the debt is from owner or tenant, if registered in his name, tnb will go after the named account holder.

Owner is debt free if is registered in tenant's name. If the debt is not settled, there is no further connection.

If owner wants a reconnection for his next tenant, he has to settle the outstanding for his previous tenant and then sue him to recover the debt.



This post has been edited by mini orchard: Oct 5 2022, 07:45 PM

Errr then make no difference nia.. owner still need to settle the outstanding payment/penalty before can reconnect back. Conlan7firm tenant will not bayar.

Otherwise, high user owners will register account using another name and escape paying the debt.

👍 That is what I thought too.... As long as the owner is not the registered account holder....

Also found this info,.... Hv to make sure our average usage is below the deposit amount, else Hv to top up the deposit too

This post has been edited by MUM: Oct 6 2022, 07:46 AM


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but how about to resumbung the eletric after kena cut? Owner/landlord kena settle dulu?

May this can helps?


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Thanks bro but the QnA also not so clear,kena call to TNB to confirm dulu.

Keen confirm ni.
Is the owner require to clear the arrears left by the previous registered tenant before can request for new connection?
Yes/No

👍👍👍 Good direction to focus on....
For that FAQs may not be an updated version too

anzen600
Also, do ask, is there any variance of final outcome and reconnection procedures to take, (on outstanding unpaid bills)
if the tenancy agreement is still active (not yet expired/ cancelled with the tenant that is the registered tnb account holder) when
(I) tenant is still paying the rental (even thought electricity had been cut)
(ii) tenant did not pay rental but you are in the process of getting legal actions to legally evict the tenant from your premise, and
If the tenancy agreement had expired and had left with unpaid bills owed by the ex tenant that is the registered tnb account holder

BTW, tell us the results will you?

This post has been edited by MUM: Oct 6 2022, 08:36 AM

my tenant left... tnb cut power/remove meter...

i reapply no problem no need to settle... as I had made tenant apply tnb themselves... so hutang under their name...

If tenant deposit is able to offset the outstanding, then is no issue owner cannot do a reconnection.

I know many tenants dont pay the last few bills because they dont want to go tnb to claim deposit. Let it auto deduct.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Oct 6 2022, 10:08 AM

Report polis first.
Let them investigate

Police also need to call tnb to investigate. They are not experts in electrical engineering.

i don't recall how much they hutang... it was long time ago... i just remember one day i visit... the meter gone... i tot got stolen... report tnb only found out they cut it... lol

this tenant after vacating... came back and stole my kitchen cabinets... my beloved diy solidly built pc table... damaged my wooden flooring... run away with unifi modem... etc etc... haiz...

polis wont investigate lah... not serious crime... will just take your report only...

At least to tell police that you are not directly involved in electricity theft/meter tampering.

Just found this thou,...
Looks like the end outcome will still be the same,...

For they had previously already mentioned ""If the user has any new evidence that he had not tampered with the meter, TNB is willing to meet the user," said the department."

Show proof meter not rigged, TNB tells businessman
Published: Jul 25, 2016
https://m.malaysiakini.com/news/349836

This post has been edited by MUM: Oct 6 2022, 12:56 PM


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A thief cannot say he didnt steal when evidence is against him.

Can appeal with TNB one.
If reduced amount lower than 10 20k might as well pay, no point ask lawyer fight. if big amount only ask lawyer fight.

For domestic,10 to 20k is a big amount. Why 10-20k figures and not 3k-5k or other range ?

I am not sure how owner can dispute the amount in court ?

Tell the judge he didnt steal so much ? Or TnB calculation wrong ?

Unless owner 100% didnt tamper with it and prove it is a mistake on tnb, chances are remote.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Oct 8 2022, 08:27 AM

ya... impossible to prove untempered when security seal broken... and meter deviate a lot...

Hello sifu sifus, just to update that I finally received the love letter from TNB asking for tuntutan. To my surprise, it is only a few hundred which I quickly setel kan... Finally can end my endless sleepless night. WTF yeah!