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sakaic
post Sep 22 2022, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Sep 22 2022, 11:33 AM)
hydrogen production comes from fossil fuel lah
deswai i laugh at pipul thinks hydrogen is "super clean fuel" haha

As of 2020, the majority of hydrogen (∼95%) is produced from fossil fuels by steam reforming or partial oxidation of methane and coal gasification with only a small quantity by other routes such as biomass gasification or electrolysis of water.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_fuel
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It differs from country to country. Some have different primary source of power. Like some european countries are almost fully renewable. Some other countries are getting there.

Depends on the political willpower of the government as economies (thus incentives) lean differently.
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According to data compiled by the U.S. Energy Information Administration, there are seven countries already at, or very, near 100 percent renewable power: Iceland (100 percent), Paraguay (100), Costa Rica (99), Norway (98.5), Austria (80), Brazil (75), and Denmark (69.4). The main renewables in these countries are hydropower, wind, geothermal, and solar.
These countries can have very green hydrogen if produced using electrolysis. We can go that way too and reduce on dependence on coal (and its price fluctuations). But we have an oil and gas industry to support so.....
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post Sep 22 2022, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(-H20- @ Sep 22 2022, 12:01 PM)
hydrogen car
burn fossil -> electricity -> electrolysis

vs

EV
burn fossil -> electricity

why need extra step?
hydrogen need to stay compressed during transport .

it even need to stay compressed when it is in your car.

there is a reason honda stopped development hydrogen fuel cell for car
petrol is a better substitute than hydrogen
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I am saying it depends on country.

In those countries that I listed earlier, it is solar/wind/whatever renewable -> hydrogen -> electricity

Fossil fuels are popular because
a) It is super dense source of energy when you measure in terms of J/kg
b) We have literally built our world infrastructure around it. In fact entire cities have been built around its activities whether its mining or processing
c) It is very very mature. The processes around it are more than 90% mature. Refineries, petrol pumps and even engines have barely changed since world war II
d) There is a lot of MONEY and hence political will fuelled by it. Imagine if an entire city like Miri or Port Dickson or Pengerang goes bust because nobody buying the output.

Even if you are having a large fossil fuel plant to produce power to make hydrogen, it is actually more efficient because mass produced power is more efficient than that in your engine. The engine in your car (though I love the sound and feel of it) sucks as a energy converter. Most of them are less than 50% efficient in energy conversion. The typical electric motor can easily do 80% and above. And it can do it across a wider operational range meaning most of the time.

 

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