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post Jun 18 2009, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Feb 23 2009, 01:30 PM)
1.Was wondering if I can only have a gate no option for standalone sidedoor, is there such a gate where I can manually open the gate for people to get in out instead of opening the full gate, without risk of tripping or hitting our heads? I find most of these doors troublesome to get in/out.

2.Also normally how many types of programming are given to these doors, if the gate is 2 piece, can i choose the door to open inwards or outwards, or 1 in 1 out, or partial open?

3.What are the best brands of autogate? Do the Gate & Motor/Logic come together from same maker?

4.How do they do the wiring in order to get power? Any specific things I need to look out for? I don't want short circuit or electric hazards.

5.If I put a lock on the gate, will the gate keep forcing itself to open, thus damaging the motor/gate/lock?

6.If someone accidentally stepped in the way of the gate is there some kind of safety to prevent the person from getting clamped? It's a good safety feature but sometimes you just want to prevent people from getting in...
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1. You can have the autogate only open 1 side of the gate to allow simple access.

2. Normal arrangement is to have the gate open out. You can have it open in too but the placement of the motor will be limited by the available width of you gate post. Yes, you can set the gate to open 1 in and 1 out. Howver once you decide on these configurations (both out, both in, one in one out) the pattern is fixed

3. Best - price not an issue FAAC. but for most residential houses a good local brand is sufficient. A very common one out in the market is OAE. Fairly realiable, easy and cheap to get spare parts.
You can find the specification on http://autogatemalaysia.blogspot.com/

4. They just have to draw 3 wires (live, neutral, earth) from your existing Electrical Distribution Board (DB)

5. The only danger with gate crushing is with sliding door system. There is no such danger with Swing Arm system as the closing force of the gate is not extremely high.


Added on June 25, 2009, 12:27 amHere's a description of the different types of system:-
http://autogatemalaysia.blogspot.com/2009/...ystems-arm.html

1. Folding gate most unrealiable as it has the most moving parts (gate hinge, floating hinge, lower track etc). It is also the least secure as the the gate is held in position only at the bottom track.

2. Swing gate is the most common systems around nowadays. As long as the gates has good bearing, properly installed quality arms it is fairly realiable. Underground systems were popular 5 years back but now most of them are being replaced by above ground arm actuators which are not proned to flooding.

3. Sliding gates are the most realiable systems. Just 1 large powerful AC motor driving the whole gate. very few moving parts. Downside is that it is slower as the gate has to travel 11 feet of track and there is the danger of crushing.


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post Jul 8 2009, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(kc_wong118 @ Jul 8 2009, 02:11 PM)
I'm looking for Arm type swing....MAG or Jackpro??

Please advise.
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MAG & Jackpro are both local brands, you also have the option of DCMOTO, OEA, Radion which are local brands worth considering.
Stay away from Vigitronx (Top Ten Alarm - terrible after sales support) and Telcoma (expensive low end Italian system with very limited installations in malaysia), Low quality problematic products, lousy service

If your budget allows you can also consider Imported products such as Stagnoli, DEA.

Also consider your requirements, e.g. size and weight of your gate, volume of usage. Is your usage light duty or heavy duty? A good system that is properly sized for you gate should last at least 5-7 years before any major maintenance is required (changing motors or gears).

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post Jul 9 2009, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(driftmeister @ Jul 8 2009, 05:29 PM)
i am going to renovate my house soon
the contractor recommend me to install the autogate wiring with 7 cables compare to the normal 3 cables one?

do u know what's the difference between 7 cables and 3 cables?
btw, wats the general cost for the wiring alone? (for 3 cables)
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7 wire cable is for more sophisticated gate motors with counter circuitry. i.e. apart from power supplied to energize the motor there would also be signals coming back to the control board to indicate the degree of rotation of the motors. these allow better control of the opening angle, speed of the opening and closing and sensing of obstacles in the gate's path.

If you're going to run wiring and conduit for your gate, then you might as well pull 7 wires instead of 3 as the cost of the extra wires is not going to cost you all that much more.

Cabling cost varies as it depends your gates configuration.
1. distance from gate to electrical source
2. wring running in surface conduit or embed in underground or in walls?
3. Amount of hacking required
4. refinishing of surfaces, e.g. repainting, re-tilling, concrete etc?
5. the type of gate you're planning to install. e.g. Types of gates

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post Jul 9 2009, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(driftmeister @ Jul 9 2009, 08:42 AM)
thx for ur feedback
seems like the contractor is not fooling an outsider like me  thumbup.gif

however, he quoted me for rm1500 for installation alone, the cost includes:
35ft cabling, hacking the current cement ground, embed it in the ground,
resurface with cement again and install arm gate system

not including re-tiling (will be getting new tiles later on)
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If it is RM1500 excluding the gate system that is really expensive!

What brand autogate are you getting? You should nego to get the Autogate & Installation together, you'll be able to get a much better price. contact http://autogatemalaysia.blogspot.com/ and tell them that you've been referred online to get a better quote.


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post Jul 9 2009, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(n73me @ Jul 9 2009, 01:23 PM)
if i am not mistaken, my wireman charge me about 1.2-1.3K for the concealed armour cable for auto gate, not sure how many wires that this cable got.
expensive ?
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You'll need the following wires for a typical swing arm installation:-

1. 3-core 240V AC from power source to gate control box.

2. 2-core low voltage signal wire from control box to inside house for gate push-button switch (this is optional, if installing this switch is going to involve hacking and ugly conduits all over the place, then just use the remote)

3. 3-7 core low voltage wire from control box to left motor.

4. 3-7 core low voltage wire from control box to right motor (could be under driveway from post to post). Wiring Diagram

5. Optional : 2-core low voltage wire from control box to solenoid lock. (routed within the gate)

The material cost should not cost more that RM200 -RM300 (wires, conduit, joints, switches, cement etc), all in I would say for a medium size gate if the work can be completed in a day it should not cost more that RM500-RM700. If this work was undertaken by an Autogate installer they'll just factor it in as part of the installation and quote an incremental lump sum

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post Jul 9 2009, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(n73me @ Jul 9 2009, 02:48 PM)
thanks for the info.
i am still a bit blur, is the above considered as using normal cable or amour cable ? my wireman told me there is 2 ways of doing the wiring for the front porch, one is to use amour cable, while the other is using many cable, basically a cable for light , a cable for door bell, one for gate, etc.. , can explain more about this ?
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Armoured cable is expensive and overkill for you simple application. coloured code electrication cable routed through the appropriate conduit is sufficient as the power/amp requirements to power your gate and lights is not all that demanding. For electrical work get multiple quotations as electricians can really charge alot if you don't know what you want. PM me if you would like me to refer you to my trusted electrician. He's certified, fair and does a proper job.
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post Jul 22 2009, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(asiatrader98 @ Jul 22 2009, 04:07 PM)
my autogate came with purchasing of the 2nd hand house, the owner told me the guy who installed for him no longer with this business,
so, is it likely to ask others to repair it if the autogate got problem? rclxub.gif
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You should be able to get other installers to repair your gate provided they have good contacts with autogate suppliers and manufactuers, Spareparts are generally easily available for most major brands of autogate systems. You should check out Autogate Malaysia for details of your gate, spare parts and call to get a quotation.
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post Aug 5 2009, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(marchkingdom @ Oct 22 2007, 04:20 PM)
wow, great to know ppl are discussing this.

I found 2 websites about autogate in M'sia, reasonable price.

My contractor adviced me to use "MAG" quoted me RM1700* w 1 year waranty. But I asked for a straight quote from MAG is only Rm1600*. He said he's using this brand for 3 years w no prob.
http://www.magnet.com.my/products/Autogate...uct/AG_main.htm

Then I found out another one from the newspaper, seems popular, said to be reputable Taiwan Brand. This one with installation is about RM2K +. Hav not get quotation. This model quite interesting coze comes with Alarm.

http://www.jackpro.com.my/

Anyone, using any of the 2 brand above? Or any frens/relatives, got any feedback? product repu good not?
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Added on October 23, 2007, 9:25 am

alrite, Jackpro quoted me Rm1700 w installation (no wiring work). This one comes w Alarm sensor + Hitachi backup batt. Quite atractive.... but never heard of this brand from frens wor. Anybody out there can share?
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There are quite a number of options in the market. Jackpro is a local brand, so is MAG.
They are both quite common brands and have good and bad reviews from the users, mainly it depends on the batch of the product as the components (e.g. motor) varies from batch to batch. If you have the budget you can consider using imported brands like Stagnoli, Telcoma or FAAC, main difference is price (RM2000+) and the quality of the components especially the motors and the gears.

Buying an Autogate is not a easy choice, ideally you want to get a realiable system that will last at least 7+ years. Do your research! You can find details of most of the local system on the following site => Autogate Price, Brochures & Specifications

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post Aug 7 2009, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(superhero_123 @ Aug 7 2009, 11:20 AM)
If I got quoted rm350 I think is ok. Problem is all quote I got is rm600 and above and they are not willing to lower more than that. I think it is a bit over priced. If your electician can do Selangor area maybe you can let me have his contact. Hehe....
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RM600 is pretty steep, however not sure if that price includes the armour cable which comes in many grades.
Anyway I've check with the contractor and he confirms that he can do for under RM350 provided the work is as simple as you've describe. You can get a better deal if you negotiate the work together with installation of the Autogate.

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post Aug 7 2009, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(superhero_123 @ Aug 7 2009, 02:19 PM)
can have contact?
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Sure, just Click for Contact Information. Just mention to David that you've were referred from LowYat.net for wiring quote below RM350. Good luck!

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post Sep 29 2009, 07:50 AM

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QUOTE(richsense @ Sep 29 2009, 03:42 AM)
If my gate is the swing type is the Pkg #5 DC MOTO GFM905 sufficient to cater for the whole gate or do I need to purchase 2 units? I'm a noob.
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All swing door packages should come with 2 motors, 1 control unit, 1 receiver unit, 3 remotes and the backup battery.


Added on March 22, 2010, 10:02 pmHere's an update on this thread. Avoid Top Ten Alarm Sdn Bhd, very bad & dishonest autogate installers who are not interested in after sale service. They rebrand low end local systems under using the VIGITRONX brand name and pretend to give 2 years warrantee, however in the event you need after sales support the make all sorts of excuses. They also carry the TELCOMA brand under their banner and I really don't have any confidence that they are sincere in developing a long term business.

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post Jun 12 2010, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(pilotHans @ Apr 10 2010, 12:04 PM)
wow, nice topic here.......im more interested in wooden gate.......without autogate.........how much the most cheapest n reasonable quality i can get  hmm.gif im just surveying doing my budget for upcoming house  smile.gif
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Get a system that is popular and well supported. For local system try OAE, with over 1,000+ units installed monthly and supported by practically ALL installers in Malaysia, you can't go wrong.

If you really want to get an imported system make sure you get a system that is supported by many local installers and that spare parts are readily available. Don't go too high end as the high end systems are difficult to install and calibrate and the spare parts (e.g. motors, sensors, control boards, gears etc) are hard to obtain and very expensive to repair.

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post Jun 20 2010, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(gunh @ Jun 13 2010, 02:26 PM)
nowadays a lot of thief use programable remote to open ur gateduring day and night time... any product have prevention on this?
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Ask your installer for a "rolling code" remote control. It will cost more but is more secure than the regular remotes with the DIP switch settings.
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post Jun 21 2010, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(zeese @ Jun 21 2010, 09:04 AM)
what is the maintenance needed for autogate?
do we need to lube it every once in a while? etc?
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Yes, like all things mechanical an autogate needs to be maintain regularly.

1. The gate bearings need to be lubricated yearly, usually there is a nipple at the top for the gate bearing for you to squirt grease into.

2. If you have an underground system, check the rubber seals and make sure that the motor casing is not flooded.

3. Backup batteries should be replaced every 2 years.

4. The system should be recalibrated (fast, slow, cut-off current, total time-out) every year to make sure that the gate is operating within design parameters

5. The cylinders should be cleaned regularly to ensure that dirt & dust does not get into the mechanism.

6. The electrical terminals and wiring should be checked and tighten regularly.


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QUOTE(dahlatu @ Jul 22 2010, 02:23 PM)
my advice. avoid radion. very lousy after sales service. everytime came, small repair charge RM80. regret using it.
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Autogate systems are quite a commodity item these days. The old brand names like Magnet, Westmark, Radion have all be superceded by systems which are more affordable, reliable & easy to service at a reasonable cost.

Selecting a good, reliable installer is very important. It's like owning a car, when you breakdown in the middle of nowhere you want to make sure that help is just a phone call away. Likewise when your wife is stuck at home on a rainy night and the gate refuses to budge, your autogate guy better be able to help.
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QUOTE(mhhee @ Feb 21 2012, 08:42 PM)
Spoke with my friend just now. Got the quote for DCMoto 905 with alarm. Nice price I would say.

But he recommended me Casa Asia S-320H comes with 2 years warranty. Different by RM150 only. Somemore said DCMoto copy theirs. Dunno true or not?
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Both DCMOTO & Casa Asia are made in Penang. Casa is an offshoot of DCMoto. CASA claims that they're improved on the DCMoto design. If you listen to both motors in operation you'll find that the CASA system is quieter.

These above ground rotating arm systems are definitely an improvement over the underground systems as they are not prone to flooding. However they have a more complicated gear system compare to telescopic armgate systems.

Make sure that you install a gate with a rolling/hopping code system for the remote.
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post Feb 22 2012, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(mhhee @ Feb 22 2012, 08:12 AM)
You got PMed. I don't know whether I should reveal the price here since some of you may not believe on what I said... I got this price because of my friend. Honestly, I do believe that their margin is high. Only installation fees is fixed.

This is the package that I got for DCMoto from Smarthome Technology that I mentioned before (Around RM1.4k)
I may sourcing the CCTV package & install it by myself since the installation fees is rocket high by CCTV installer. Believe it or not, the CCTV products margin is high on par with alarm system. I will install Alarm system myself if I know how to configure the panel.  tongue.gif
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I find Pasar Rd. a good place to source for CCTV components. If you're doing the installation yourself make sure you get good quality cables and connectors. Try to get a single dedicated power supply to provide DC to all your cameras and avoid the individual plug-in power supplies which tends to be unreliable.
Yes, you can save a lot if you do the installation yourself or at least engage an electrician to run the cabling for you instead of using a CCTV installer.


Added on February 22, 2012, 8:41 am
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Optional Item:
Safety Photo Beam Sensor -RM180
Siren Horn with 12V Delay - RM45
Additional Antispy Remote Control -RM60
Out of these options the only useful one is the Remote.
The Safety beam sensor always gets confused during heavy rain
The siren horn I really don't see the point.

One useful feature that some remotes have is a main-switch bypass. I.e. if you're going out and you don't want to allow your maid to open the door from within the house, you can activate the main-switch by-pass via the remote.

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post Feb 22 2012, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(leeyung @ Feb 22 2012, 09:21 AM)
the sensor just an infrared beam sensor with operating range of 10m, up to my knowledge, infrared beam is not triggered by rain
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Not sure if the sensor has improved, mine was over 2 years ago and my gate would occasionally get stuck during very heavy rain. I got feed-up and disabled the damn sensor. Anyway, as long as your gate's over-current cut-off is correctly calibrated your gate should stop whenever it hits an obstacle.
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QUOTE(leeyung @ Feb 22 2012, 09:52 AM)
icic, so you are using the DCMoto sensor for 2 years and facing that issue rite? For the over-current cuf-off, is still have some issue of momentum when the motor is stopped, I saw my neighbour one, he is installing the DC Moto 905, when it was fully open, and stop at the max point, although the motors are stopped, however the swing gate still have some momentum and hit the pillar, therefore need to install stopper near the pillar to avoid cracking in long run
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My gate is not DCMoto, however I suspect these sensors are all the same generic sensors. In your neighbor's case, they should adjust the hi/low speed timing so that the gate slows down before I approaches the pillar.

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post Feb 22 2012, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(leeyung @ Feb 22 2012, 10:07 AM)
ic, I saw the gate is pretty low speed d as it take 12 sec instead of max 8 sec to close the gate, but problem still remain the same
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If set correctly, the gate should slow down an lose momentum before it slams into the stopper. Nevertheless the stopper will need changing every 3-4 years as it's only made of rubber and will become brittle from our weather. It's not a very expensive item.

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