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post Aug 7 2022, 08:41 PM, updated 4y ago

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Recently I planning to buy Toyota Hilux Rogue 2022 for own daily use.
I done some research and found that Hilux is the thief magnet and easy to be stolen. This is one of the reason the most insurance companies not selling this car insurance to the public.
This make me want to re-consider on this buying plan.

Any honest feedback here?
First-timer 4x4 buyer. Thank you very much!

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post Aug 7 2022, 08:50 PM

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Yup. Anyone can use a clothes hanger to open the front bonnet.
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post Aug 7 2022, 09:53 PM

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ppl steal even is bad condition
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post Aug 7 2022, 10:10 PM

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high risk vehicle. even my bro Triton can't renew insurance policy via website, had to personally call their helpline to get someone to evaluate before renewing policy
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post Aug 8 2022, 01:05 AM

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I know 7 persons whose Hilux was stolen.

3 at knifepoint when they were approaching it to go home after a day out.
2 their home was broken into for the key while they were asleep.
1 at gunpoint as he was leaving home for work.
1, someone came to his house, told him to remove everything from the Hilux as that night some people would be coming to steal it and suggested that he parked it outside his gate.

this is a problem with most trucks though other than the PRC branded ones.
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post Aug 8 2022, 06:51 AM

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I know a person whom has bought hilux three times as the first two have been stolen near his home
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post Aug 8 2022, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(R231_SL65_AMG @ Aug 8 2022, 01:05 AM)
I know 7 persons whose Hilux was stolen.

3 at knifepoint when they were approaching it to go home after a day out.
2 their home was broken into for the key while they were asleep.
1 at gunpoint as he was leaving home for work.
1, someone came to his house, told him to remove everything from the Hilux as that night some people would be coming to steal it and suggested that he parked it outside his gate.

this is a problem with most trucks though other than the PRC branded ones.
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wow! this was insane! buying a hilux seem like putting a time bomb around me lol cry.gif
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post Aug 8 2022, 01:19 PM

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Hilux owner since 2012.
Insurance can use Bjak.my to renew. Got two insurance companies there will insure.
If Toyota then is MSIG.

So far never had issue with the car or any experience with theft, probably yet.

Hilux theft happens frequently if your car is standard stock.
My tip to you? Install GPS and Anti-Jammer. biggrin.gif
If you really hardcore find a reputable wireman to install kill-switch.

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post Aug 8 2022, 01:25 PM

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Relative's Hilux with 3 layers of anti-theft still got stolen in front of his house (without any sound of engine starting).

Steering lock, pedal lock & immobilizer.
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post Aug 8 2022, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Aug 8 2022, 01:19 PM)
Hilux owner since 2012.
Insurance can use Bjak.my to renew.  Got two insurance companies there will insure.
If Toyota then is MSIG.

So far never had issue with the car or any experience with theft, probably yet.

Hilux theft happens frequently if your car is standard stock.
My tip to you? Install GPS and Anti-Jammer.  biggrin.gif
If you really hardcore find a reputable wireman to install kill-switch.
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Now Toyota offers their own GPS system called VTS to their cars. so additional GPS and anti jammer should be needed right? hmm.gif
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post Aug 8 2022, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(scorgio @ Aug 8 2022, 01:25 PM)
Relative's Hilux with 3 layers of anti-theft still got stolen in front of his house (without any sound of engine starting).

Steering lock, pedal lock & immobilizer.
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wow! how it is possible? hilux start engine sound should be louder than normal car and easy to attract people attention.

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post Aug 8 2022, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(chowkiwi @ Aug 8 2022, 10:50 PM)
wow! how it is possible? hilux start engine sound should be louder than normal car and easy to attract people attention.
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probably they have use a carrier or tow truck it away... no hilux engine noise required
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post Aug 8 2022, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Aug 8 2022, 11:36 PM)
probably they have use a carrier or tow truck it away... no hilux engine noise required
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if this is true, then it's too over and hilux really high demand in the black market sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
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post Aug 9 2022, 01:02 AM

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the same things do happen in my hometown too.

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QUOTE(chowkiwi @ Aug 8 2022, 10:49 PM)
Now Toyota offers their own GPS system called VTS to their cars. so additional GPS and anti jammer should be needed right?  hmm.gif
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if got VTS then anti-jammer only
best defense is check your insurance make sure is agreed value
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QUOTE(chowkiwi @ Aug 8 2022, 11:43 PM)
if this is true, then it's too over and hilux really high demand in the black market  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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Hilux have the best resale value in the market. Imagine Toyota Hilux Vigo 2011 2.5L VNT second hand car dealer offering RM 60-62K 😂
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post Aug 10 2022, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Aug 8 2022, 01:19 PM)
Hilux owner since 2012.
Insurance can use Bjak.my to renew.  Got two insurance companies there will insure.
If Toyota then is MSIG.

So far never had issue with the car or any experience with theft, probably yet.

Hilux theft happens frequently if your car is standard stock.
My tip to you? Install GPS and Anti-Jammer.  biggrin.gif
If you really hardcore find a reputable wireman to install kill-switch.
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A modified one is as likely to be stolen as a stock one.

2 of my friends had some rather well customised rigs that were nicked including one that he had spent a good 70k on it for various off-roading mods…. Of course it never went off-road.
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QUOTE(chowkiwi @ Aug 8 2022, 11:49 PM)
Now Toyota offers their own GPS system called VTS to their cars. so additional GPS and anti jammer should be needed right?  hmm.gif
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No use if the thief is professional. This is only good for those newbies, if professional usually they will study or at least knew your car security system before go in for it. Previously i met an old "ex-con", he feedback early days already a lot of exotic sport cars or special limited cars with sophisticated security system also can get stolen. Usually they will do their dirty job in multilevel basement or underground carpark as where the GPS signal is limited, after gone out of the car park they will get another trailer ready usually with seal cargo container for the car to go in and you wont be able to detect where the car location.
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post Aug 10 2022, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Aug 10 2022, 03:00 PM)
No use if the thief is professional. This is only good for those newbies, if professional usually they will study or at least knew your car security system before go in for it. Previously i met an old "ex-con", he feedback early days already a lot of exotic sport cars or special limited cars with sophisticated security system also can get stolen. Usually they will do their dirty job in multilevel basement or underground carpark as where the GPS signal is limited, after gone out of the car park they will get another trailer ready usually with seal cargo container for the car to go in and you wont be able to detect where the car location.
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Anyway to prevent this situation? Install anti-jammer?

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post Aug 10 2022, 05:00 PM

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oh ya my area, Batu Gajah and Sri Iskandar Perak I think for the pas few week/months got 3 or 4 Hilux gone missing already. 1 in my neighboring taman the Hilux stolen inside the house gate while everybody sleeping. That Hilux got all the security feature as GPS everything but still get stolen. The thief is very professional one
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QUOTE(soul_gamerz @ Aug 10 2022, 05:00 PM)
oh ya my area, Batu Gajah and Sri Iskandar Perak I think for the pas few week/months got 3 or 4 Hilux gone missing already. 1 in my neighboring taman the Hilux stolen inside the house gate while everybody sleeping. That Hilux got all the security feature as GPS everything but still get stolen. The thief is very professional one
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omg scary shit sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
normally I drive in KL area..
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QUOTE(chowkiwi @ Aug 10 2022, 05:53 PM)
Anyway to prevent this situation? Install anti-jammer?
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Simple said, no way. If your car is marked, it will be gg anyway.
Every security system also got it's weakness.

The best way is to buy other rides which is not that easily marked.
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QUOTE(chowkiwi @ Aug 10 2022, 04:53 PM)
Anyway to prevent this situation? Install anti-jammer?
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Anti-jammer is one.
but once an owner of Satria GTI told me the best is still a hidden kill-switch
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post Aug 14 2022, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Aug 14 2022, 01:37 AM)
Anti-jammer is one.
but once an owner of Satria GTI told me the best is still a hidden kill-switch
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Flat bed tow truck…
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post Aug 14 2022, 07:31 PM

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Why are Hiluxes stolen so much?
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post Aug 14 2022, 08:05 PM

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out of curiosity TS, why you have decided to buy a pick up?
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QUOTE(RigerZ @ Aug 14 2022, 07:31 PM)
Why are Hiluxes stolen so much?
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post Aug 14 2022, 10:25 PM

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They steal the bumper of they can't get the whole car


Purpose you look at Navara or isuzu
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post Aug 15 2022, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(croydon @ Aug 14 2022, 12:05 AM)
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No use bro, if they use tow truck can just pick up the front up and gg loo..
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QUOTE(ktek @ Aug 14 2022, 11:22 PM)
hear say siam need spare part
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Yes. Not only that, previously a lot of rumors that near neirbour Thai border separatist also like to use stolen vehicle for car booming & terrorist activities. If you look at Hilux history with a lot of 3rd world country, it is a legend vehicle for those military usage. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(chowkiwi @ Aug 7 2022, 08:41 PM)
Recently I planning to buy Toyota Hilux Rogue 2022 for own daily use.
I done some research and found that Hilux is the thief magnet and easy to be stolen. This is one of the reason the most insurance companies not selling this car insurance to the public.
This make me want to re-consider on this buying plan.

Any honest feedback here?
First-timer 4x4 buyer. Thank you very much!

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if cannot buy insurance, how to buy road tax ?
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QUOTE(KrankZ @ Aug 15 2022, 08:30 AM)
if cannot buy insurance, how to buy road tax ?
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QUOTE(chowkiwi @ Aug 7 2022, 08:41 PM)
Recently I planning to buy Toyota Hilux Rogue 2022 for own daily use.
I done some research and found that Hilux is the thief magnet and easy to be stolen. This is one of the reason the most insurance companies not selling this car insurance to the public.
This make me want to re-consider on this buying plan.

Any honest feedback here?
First-timer 4x4 buyer. Thank you very much!

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It's a myth by competitors, unker's hilark and unker friend's hilark like biasa onli. Insurance renewal also no problem.

But unker recmd, if buy hilark for own daily use, if normal use, pls dun buy hilark, very stiff suspension, you go try navarra, the suspension is way better (comfort).

But stay far-far away from ranger, that one, easy to get lemon.
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post Aug 15 2022, 04:16 PM

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Niama booked hilux since Mar. Sa ask me buy number if want. Now got number. SA told me Nov till Jan only get.
TS, you book liao or not? Else June next year only got
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QUOTE(Duperaider @ Aug 15 2022, 08:38 AM)
It's a myth by competitors, unker's hilark and unker friend's hilark like biasa onli. Insurance renewal also no problem.

But unker recmd, if buy hilark for own daily use, if normal use, pls dun buy hilark, very stiff suspension, you go try navarra, the suspension is way better (comfort).

But stay far-far away from ranger, that one, easy to get lemon.
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How about dee max? They femus mek lori, should be xpert for Diesel engine right
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QUOTE(19 Degree South @ Aug 14 2022, 08:05 PM)
out of curiosity TS, why you have decided to buy a pick up?
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Own family use and can carry fruits from the estate biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Jason @ Aug 16 2022, 12:21 PM)
How about dee max? They femus mek lori, should be xpert for Diesel engine right
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tat one hor, uncle friends all say, veli solid engine, not the most powderful, but very reliable and fuel efficient, but hor, if wan crazy performancce powderful engine, triton and navalala better.

Ranger oso powah but maintanance cost is more kaw-kaw lar
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QUOTE(chowkiwi @ Aug 16 2022, 02:52 PM)
Own family use and can carry fruits from the estate  biggrin.gif
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Ok.that explain it. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Jason @ Aug 16 2022, 01:21 PM)
How about dee max? They femus mek lori, should be xpert for Diesel engine right
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FYI dee max sales is more better than hilux in Thailand.. brows.gif dee max is a good reliable ride, i got friends owning it for years also dont want to change. Very fuel efficient and less issue.
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QUOTE(LowKeras @ Aug 15 2022, 04:16 PM)
Niama booked hilux since Mar.  Sa ask me buy number if want.  Now got number.  SA told me Nov till Jan only get.
TS,  you book liao or not?  Else June next year only got
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I booked the car around start of July. SA told me prepare for the next 3-6 months upon loan approval. now I just wait lol nod.gif
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I booked the car around start of July. SA told me prepare for the next 3-6 months upon loan approval. now I just wait lol  nod.gif
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why dont get other brand ?
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Why specifically Hilux though? Whats the draw to thief's?
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Why specifically Hilux though? Whats the draw to thief's?
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They drive them straight to Thailand. Thats the usual SOP.
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I booked the car around start of July. SA told me prepare for the next 3-6 months upon loan approval. now I just wait lol  nod.gif
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Good la, 3 to 6month can get
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my hometown labis last week got 2 hilux got stolen.
someone release the footage , car park next to target , drove away in seconds.
freaking scary.
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Doesn’t anyone use a steering lock bar anymore? I remember I used to put one on the steering wheel decades ago … more as a deterrent than anything else.
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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jun 5 2024, 04:10 AM)
Doesn’t anyone use a steering lock bar anymore? I remember I used to put one on the steering wheel decades ago … more as a deterrent than anything else.
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There are online videos that shows how easily such steering lock bars can be removed with strong arms.

My client Hilux is parked in an area with heavy traffic and it's fitted with a real old school type steering to pedal lock with mechanical that look and behave just like ones with digital buttons. It's really heavy too. I have been searching for it but they don't make things like they use too anymore. Either they are cutting corners in their design or the syndicates themselves have gone upstream just to manufacture such safety devices, that will just make their job much easier. Current hot promotion online is the pedal lock but car jackers are going through them like it's a piece of cake ! After scamming us of our hard earned money for a "top notch security device", falsely misleading owners thinking that their ride is safe, there they run off with ride & our hard earned money. You should count the number of immediate marketing response towards the ill fated owner, got put pedal lock onot ? KNN betul these syndicates, not only stealing rides but making owners feel utterly foolish themselves.

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jun 5 2024, 05:04 AM)
There are online videos that shows how easily such steering lock bars can be removed with strong arms.

My client Hilux is parked in an area with heavy traffic and it's fitted with a real old school type steering to pedal lock with mechanical that look and behave just like ones with digital buttons. It's really heavy too. I have been searching for it but they don't make things like they use too anymore. Either they are cutting corners in their design or the syndicates themselves have gone upstream just to manufacture such safety devices, that will just make their job much easier. Current hot promotion online is the pedal lock but car jackers are going through them like it's a piece of cake ! After scamming us of our hard earned money for a "top notch security device", falsely misleading owners thinking that their ride is safe, there they run off with ride & our hard earned money. You should count the number of immediate marketing response towards the ill fated owner, got put pedal lock onot ? KNN betul these syndicates, not only stealing rides but making owners feel utterly foolish themselves.
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wait, what… you’re saying that the syndicates are the very same ones involved in MANUFACTURING the security locks!?
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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jun 5 2024, 05:08 AM)
wait, what… you’re saying that the syndicates are the very same ones involved in MANUFACTURING the security locks!?
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That is what I begining to believe in. Otherwise how do you explain that the number #1 top trending question,"Got install pedal lock onot ?' and thrives going through pedal locks like knife through butter ?

I have watched closely, many owners with stolen rides, had actually installed pedal lock, giving them a false sense of security and then their new rides is immediately lost.

If you are a big time car jacker, wouldn't you want to go upstream too, so that it is easier for the boys to get their job done ? I know I would, but we ain't no car thief.

Guess what, I had spoken to such unfortunate owners too. The highest amount paid for such state of art pedal lock was Rm550. Damn

Thinking about it again, maybe I was wrong about manufacturing, since it's another hassle to run such an operation. So being like a lazy ass guy, all I need to do is call, "Yo China, you go make me a pedal lock but must look like high quality & good but I must have the master key, ok. Very nice do business."

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jun 5 2024, 05:22 AM)
That is what I begining to believe in. Otherwise how do you explain that the number #1 top trending question,"Got install pedal lock onot ?' and thrives going through pedal locks like knife through butter ?

I have watched closely, many owners with stolen rides, had actually installed pedal lock, giving them a false sense of security and then their new rides is immediately lost.

If you are a big time car jacker, wouldn't you want to go upstream too, so that it is easier for the boys to get their job done ? I know I would, but we ain't no car thief.

Guess what, I had spoken to such unfortunate owners too. The highest amount paid for such state of art pedal lock was Rm550. Damn

Thinking about it again, maybe I was wrong about manufacturing, since it's another hassle to run such an operation. So being like a lazy ass guy, all I need to do is call, "Yo China, you go make me a pedal lock but must look like high quality & good but I must have the master key, ok. Very nice do business."
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Wow… that is a super interesting twist if that were true bro…. Food for thought
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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jun 5 2024, 06:03 AM)
Wow… that is a super interesting twist if that were true bro…. Food for thought
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The logic is, since it's not working, why the constant promotion ?
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jun 5 2024, 06:07 AM)
The logic is, since it's not working, why the constant promotion ?
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Well, I suppose it’s the same reason why health supplement companies or beauty salons would continue with their aggressive advertising although scientific evidence may suggest that their claims are actually less effective than promoted…

 

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