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zak3
post Aug 1 2022, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(ongss @ Jul 29 2022, 11:59 AM)
Actually, my price was back in May 2021. The problem I face is the location. The moment they know the address, they have many reasons to raise the price.

Recently, I joined a facebook group (mainly for Mandarin users) and got a few electricians to quote me. The price per light point is only RM 65 - 75 per point and the 13A is only RM 100 per point for the current market price.

I am going to share the quality of the "Data Centre" electrician. He claimed that he has done several data centres. Contract signed is Cat6 wire. Get the foreign labour to lay Cat5e unbranded wire.

These are the quality of the "Data Centre" electrician, not mentioned the light, aircond and fan switches of my living room are put at car porch:

Pendant light point is placed next to the fan.
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Cat5e was used despite the contract and pricing is Cat6. Argument is I don't need Cat6 for CCTV. But, price is the same.
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Because I said I will use LED light, no Earth line for the points.
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My requirement is concealed and this picture shows my bathroom. The network and 13A cables were put like this. Below the sinks. If he forgot to place the PVC conduit during casting of slab, he can hack. But, the electrician refused unless I paid VO price. Like this, can I do water proofing?
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For a 60 sen joint that was broken - would you replace a new one or tore a piece of paper and cover the hole?
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wait.. what..
inside bathroom, cable go 'under' bathroom tiles ? sweat.gif

ongss
post Aug 1 2022, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(lakini80 @ Aug 1 2022, 09:49 AM)
if you dun mind, maybe you can let us quote you for your new house...
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post Aug 1 2022, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(zak3 @ Aug 1 2022, 10:40 AM)
wait.. what..
inside bathroom, cable go 'under' bathroom tiles ?  sweat.gif
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Never see before, right? I have more than 5 parties (timber installers, plaster ceiling, electricians, and etc) came to my site and comment it was not safe. Anyone said it is not safe, to this data centre electrician, you are from North Korea.

RM90 per point for concealed. But, he wanted to charge me VO if I need to the PVC pipe to be inside the RC floor. All these contractors think that I am a water fish for their to slaughter. laugh.gif

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This post has been edited by ongss: Aug 1 2022, 03:13 PM
lakini80
post Aug 1 2022, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(ongss @ Jul 29 2022, 11:59 AM)
Actually, my price was back in May 2021. The problem I face is the location. The moment they know the address, they have many reasons to raise the price.

Recently, I joined a facebook group (mainly for Mandarin users) and got a few electricians to quote me. The price per light point is only RM 65 - 75 per point and the 13A is only RM 100 per point for the current market price.

I am going to share the quality of the "Data Centre" electrician. He claimed that he has done several data centres. Contract signed is Cat6 wire. Get the foreign labour to lay Cat5e unbranded wire.

These are the quality of the "Data Centre" electrician, not mentioned the light, aircond and fan switches of my living room are put at car porch:

Pendant light point is placed next to the fan.
user posted image

Cat5e was used despite the contract and pricing is Cat6. Argument is I don't need Cat6 for CCTV. But, price is the same.
user posted image

Because I said I will use LED light, no Earth line for the points.
user posted image

My requirement is concealed and this picture shows my bathroom. The network and 13A cables were put like this. Below the sinks. If he forgot to place the PVC conduit during casting of slab, he can hack. But, the electrician refused unless I paid VO price. Like this, can I do water proofing?
user posted image

For a 60 sen joint that was broken - would you replace a new one or tore a piece of paper and cover the hole?
user posted image
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Frankly speaking, where is the conduit on your ceiling, all hidden inside the ceiling?

Than on the conduit in your toilet floor, so when completed and you discover that the water proofing not working and may have to redo it, how that guy gonna hack your tiles, accidentally hack, conduit pecah or maybe kena short circuit...
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post Aug 1 2022, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(lakini80 @ Aug 1 2022, 05:12 PM)
Frankly speaking, where is the conduit on your ceiling, all hidden inside the ceiling?

Than on the conduit in your toilet floor, so when completed and you discover that the water proofing not working and may have to redo it, how that guy gonna hack your tiles, accidentally hack, conduit pecah or maybe kena short circuit...
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For those light points, the conduits are in the RC slab. The conduits were installed when the construction workers build the mould for the RC slab. The electricians missed out the conduits for the power and network. The conduits on the floors were done by his subcontractors (mainly foreign labour that can speak Bahasa or English).
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post Aug 2 2022, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(ongss @ Aug 1 2022, 10:29 PM)
For those light points, the conduits are in the RC slab. The conduits were installed when the construction workers build the mould for the RC slab. The electricians missed out the conduits for the power and network. The conduits on the floors were done by his subcontractors (mainly foreign labour that can speak Bahasa or English).
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Why conduit inside RC slab...
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post Aug 2 2022, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(Zwean @ Aug 2 2022, 11:45 AM)
Why conduit inside RC slab...
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No plaster ceiling. Don't intend to do so for a few reasons.
zak3
post Aug 3 2022, 11:26 AM

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no problem conduit in cement/slab, as long properly installed and can pull cable thru it.. wink.gif
if botch job.. then bye2 to 'rewiring'.. mega_shok.gif
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post Aug 4 2022, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(ongss @ Jul 29 2022, 11:59 AM)
Actually, my price was back in May 2021. The problem I face is the location. The moment they know the address, they have many reasons to raise the price.

Recently, I joined a facebook group (mainly for Mandarin users) and got a few electricians to quote me. The price per light point is only RM 65 - 75 per point and the 13A is only RM 100 per point for the current market price.

I am going to share the quality of the "Data Centre" electrician. He claimed that he has done several data centres. Contract signed is Cat6 wire. Get the foreign labour to lay Cat5e unbranded wire.

These are the quality of the "Data Centre" electrician, not mentioned the light, aircond and fan switches of my living room are put at car porch:

Pendant light point is placed next to the fan.
user posted image

Cat5e was used despite the contract and pricing is Cat6. Argument is I don't need Cat6 for CCTV. But, price is the same.
user posted image

Because I said I will use LED light, no Earth line for the points.
user posted image

My requirement is concealed and this picture shows my bathroom. The network and 13A cables were put like this. Below the sinks. If he forgot to place the PVC conduit during casting of slab, he can hack. But, the electrician refused unless I paid VO price. Like this, can I do water proofing?
user posted image

For a 60 sen joint that was broken - would you replace a new one or tore a piece of paper and cover the hole?
user posted image
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I can feel the pain when I saw this. My condo was done by a group of foreigner as well while the so called AIO designer gave me a name list of Chinese name.
And I only found out lately after the full payment that all my ceiling fans' safety wire were not installed. They just slot the safety wire back into the plaster ceiling. I sent the photo to the ID lady and she blamed me that I didn't check it when handover and I was the only customer that complained their poor workmanship. So again it became my fault.

I really hate ppl that with no work ethic and integrity even she was graduated oversea from Australia and holding master degree. So there was nothing to do with high or low education. Just that you can hardly find one good ppl in KL.






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post Aug 4 2022, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(ongss @ Aug 2 2022, 12:23 PM)
No plaster ceiling. Don't intend to do so for a few reasons.
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Agreed not to have plaster ceiling if possible.

My ID insisted the plaster ceiling ( i think she was not confident with conceal work ) ; and later I found out the frame inside will make some noise with temperature exp when you turn on the ceiling fan. You can hear some "metal to metal" moving sounds. It's very obvious when you have a small room or lower ceiling at KL condo. May be not so obvious if high ceiling or landed house


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post Aug 4 2022, 11:33 AM

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I found out all safety wire not installed when trying to fix the ceiling fan "sound".

This post has been edited by kimteck: Aug 4 2022, 11:35 AM
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post Aug 4 2022, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(kimteck @ Aug 4 2022, 10:54 AM)
I can feel the pain when I saw this. My condo was done by a group of foreigner as well while the so called AIO designer gave me a name list of Chinese name.
And I only found out lately after the full payment that all my ceiling fans' safety wire were not installed. They just slot the safety wire back into the plaster ceiling. I sent the photo to the ID lady and she blamed me that I didn't check it when handover and I was the only customer that complained their poor workmanship. So again it became my fault.

I really hate ppl that with no work ethic and integrity even she was graduated oversea from Australia and holding master degree. So there was nothing to do with high or low education. Just that you can hardly find one good ppl in KL.
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I have invited several electricians came to inspect and re-quote. Most of them were terrified by the quality and even suggested me to bring in Suruhanjaya Tenaga or CIDB as the foreigners that did the wiring obviously did not have the P4 wireman qualification.

I have given my main con a dateline to settle this. Otherwise, I will upload the photo the FB groups to share the pains. https://www.facebook.com/groups/155815638381028/about has 121K members and another group https://www.facebook.com/groups/1465699686984899/about has 76K members.

The photo I showed were minimum, I have captured a lot others, e.g. wiring can be done the following:

No T-joint box was fitted
user posted image

Bedrooms have the following PVC conduit on the floors, to be covered by the 50mm cement rendering. But, my timber installer needed to have 40mm gap between the PVC conduit and the nails. VO price will be applied if I request to hack and embed the conduit into the slab. Prices quoted were supposed to be concealed last year.
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This post has been edited by ongss: Aug 4 2022, 11:53 AM
kimteck
post Aug 4 2022, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(ongss @ Aug 4 2022, 11:38 AM)
I have invited several electricians came to inspect and re-quote. Most of them were terrified by the quality and even suggested me to bring in Suruhanjaya Tenaga or CIDB as the foreigners that did the wiring obviously did not have the P4 wireman qualification. 

I have given my main con a dateline to settle this. Otherwise, I will upload the photo the FB groups to share the pains. https://www.facebook.com/groups/155815638381028/about has 121K members and another group https://www.facebook.com/groups/1465699686984899/about has 76K members.

The photo I showed were minimum, I have captured a lot others, e.g. wiring can be done the following:

No T-joint box was fitted
user posted image

Bedrooms have the following PVC conduit on the floors, to be covered by the 50mm cement rendering. But, my timber installer needed to have 40mm gap between the PVC conduit and the nails. VO price will be applied if I request to hack and embed the conduit into the slab. Prices quoted were supposed to be concealed last year.
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may be this is the channel if they are registered under CIDB.

https://cidb.spab.gov.my/eApps/system/index.do


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post Aug 4 2022, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(kimteck @ Aug 4 2022, 11:19 PM)
may be this is the channel if they are registered under CIDB.

https://cidb.spab.gov.my/eApps/system/index.do
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Ya, I told my main con that he should go to CIDB.

My main con was hoping to get this Data Centre electrician to rework. I told him, if I ever see unauthorized subcon comes in to work again, I will make a police report for trepassing and I also treat the contract has been terminated by himself.

More photo to share:

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zak3
post Aug 5 2022, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(ongss @ Aug 4 2022, 11:38 AM)
I have invited several electricians came to inspect and re-quote. Most of them were terrified by the quality and even suggested me to bring in Suruhanjaya Tenaga or CIDB as the foreigners that did the wiring obviously did not have the P4 wireman qualification. 

I have given my main con a dateline to settle this. Otherwise, I will upload the photo the FB groups to share the pains. https://www.facebook.com/groups/155815638381028/about has 121K members and another group https://www.facebook.com/groups/1465699686984899/about has 76K members.

The photo I showed were minimum, I have captured a lot others, e.g. wiring can be done the following:

No T-joint box was fitted
user posted image

Bedrooms have the following PVC conduit on the floors, to be covered by the 50mm cement rendering. But, my timber installer needed to have 40mm gap between the PVC conduit and the nails. VO price will be applied if I request to hack and embed the conduit into the slab. Prices quoted were supposed to be concealed last year.
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QUOTE(ongss @ Aug 4 2022, 11:44 PM)
Ya, I told my main con that he should go to CIDB.

My main con was hoping to get this Data Centre electrician to rework. I told him, if I ever see unauthorized subcon comes in to work again, I will make a police report for trepassing and I also treat the contract has been terminated by himself.

More photo to share:

user posted image
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wow... really? is the job they done.. mad.gif
im not a 'fan' of conduit running on 'floor'.. doesn't it suppoed to run on ceiling/under roof/anything above.. unsure.gif

This post has been edited by zak3: Aug 5 2022, 04:57 PM
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post Aug 5 2022, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(zak3 @ Aug 5 2022, 04:57 PM)
wow... really? is the job they done..  mad.gif
im not a 'fan' of conduit running on 'floor'.. doesn't it suppoed to run on ceiling/under roof/anything above..  unsure.gif
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Amazed by the Data Centre electrician, right? His Myanmar subcontractor even placed the switches (light and fan) of the living room at the car porch.

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post Aug 5 2022, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(zak3 @ Aug 5 2022, 04:57 PM)
wow... really? is the job they done..  mad.gif
im not a 'fan' of conduit running on 'floor'.. doesn't it suppoed to run on ceiling/under roof/anything above..  unsure.gif
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Floor easy to grind the trench ma.
China all use floor. brows.gif

QUOTE(ongss @ Aug 5 2022, 05:50 PM)
Amazed by the Data Centre electrician, right? His Myanmar subcontractor even placed the switches (light and fan) of the living room at the car porch.

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I am amazed by his antics considering that yours is mainly brickwall and not RC walls. RC walls are a mess (hard work and the likes) to hack
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Aug 5 2022, 05:58 PM)
Floor easy to grind the trench ma.
China all use floor.  brows.gif
I am amazed by his antics considering that yours is mainly brickwall and not RC walls. RC walls are a mess (hard work and the likes) to hack
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I am fine with China method as long as my timber installer does not hit the conduit.

But, I guess the electrician thought I am a waterfish and his VO price can slaughter me.
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QUOTE(ongss @ Aug 4 2022, 11:38 AM)
I have invited several electricians came to inspect and re-quote. Most of them were terrified by the quality and even suggested me to bring in Suruhanjaya Tenaga or CIDB as the foreigners that did the wiring obviously did not have the P4 wireman qualification. 

I have given my main con a dateline to settle this. Otherwise, I will upload the photo the FB groups to share the pains. https://www.facebook.com/groups/155815638381028/about has 121K members and another group https://www.facebook.com/groups/1465699686984899/about has 76K members.

The photo I showed were minimum, I have captured a lot others, e.g. wiring can be done the following:

No T-joint box was fitted
user posted image

Bedrooms have the following PVC conduit on the floors, to be covered by the 50mm cement rendering. But, my timber installer needed to have 40mm gap between the PVC conduit and the nails. VO price will be applied if I request to hack and embed the conduit into the slab. Prices quoted were supposed to be concealed last year.
user posted image
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Now that I have a little time to look thru.. the lack of T-joint means the cables are not mechanically protected. rclxub.gif
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post Aug 6 2022, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Aug 5 2022, 11:04 PM)
Now that I have a little time to look thru.. the lack of T-joint means the cables are not mechanically protected.  rclxub.gif
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Actually I posted to FB, many experienced contractors already commented. This Data Centre electrician subcontracted to the Myanmar workers and did not provide the necessary parts and tools.

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