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 Will you think the property market will fall soon?, will the landed property fall in 2024?

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mini orchard
post Sep 28 2022, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(guysmiley @ Sep 26 2022, 03:51 PM)
this is malaysia. they will come out with whatever reasons to make prices go even higher. trust me on this.
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Similar to all property gurus statement .... trust me, sure make money...lol.

QUOTE(jrshow @ Sep 28 2022, 05:10 PM)
the interest rate goes up 3 times already in this year, anyone feel the burden?
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You ?

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mini orchard
post Oct 1 2022, 07:34 AM

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QUOTE(kembayang @ Sep 30 2022, 05:32 PM)
Hope more suitable lelong units on next year
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Many properties enter the lelong market weekly or monthly. Dont have to wait next year. Almost every new vp property will have few units going into lelong and cheap cheap below developers snp

Bid for one or all depending on own financial ability.

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mini orchard
post Oct 25 2022, 06:26 AM

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Property prices falling is not mainly because of more units coming into the market but the starting price is unrealistic from the start.

Most newly constructed property prices will start to adjust after vp to match surrounding similar property prices and its location, unless is an exceptional piece of construction.

Land and construction cost plus profits determine selling price but freebies and rebates that kill the goose.

If subsale price is attractive and has fallen, why arent buyers entering that market and cont buying from developer ?

And why in some auction, there is only a single bidder when the price is way below snp price.

For my case, is opposite. I won an auction unit at reserved price being a single bidder and is 7% above SnP price for a new vp property this year. And seldom or rare in today auction that the reserved price is equal or above SnP price for new property and attract bidders.

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post Oct 25 2022, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(gu~wak_zhai @ Oct 25 2022, 10:33 AM)
which area? if u bid above 7% SPA price of course no one else will enter to bid, usually wait till the price to drop another 10-20% only will attract more bidders. Do u think u bought it at a fair price? The unit I bid and won 2 years ago was more than 50% below SPA price.
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In most auctions, when one wait for low price to enter, likely he will pay above earlier reserved price.

I bought because of location, high floor, new, forever unblock view and limited supply because of quota and unqualified to buy as a first buyer.

If subsale, it will be above my bid price looking at the advert in property portals. Wont make or lose money if sell today.

My case is exception rather than norm where most auction properties are below snp price.

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post Oct 26 2022, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(mezanny @ Oct 26 2022, 03:20 PM)
but i think one day all the building will stop.

when Msia become like HK no more space to build.

but not now.
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Redevelopment of old buildings will come in. Govt will pass Act to allow majority decision and not 100% to consent for redevelopnent.
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post Oct 26 2022, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(mezanny @ Oct 26 2022, 05:18 PM)
maybe leasehold areas like Damansara Damai and Tropicana.

But freehold a bit difficult.
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Now is difficult because 100% consent required. If govt change the Act to say 75%, then it can be done, albeit some initial difficulty to convince the owners.
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post Oct 26 2022, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(gu~wak_zhai @ Oct 25 2022, 10:33 AM)
which area? if u bid above 7% SPA price of course no one else will enter to bid, usually wait till the price to drop another 10-20% only will attract more bidders. Do u think u bought it at a fair price? The unit I bid and won 2 years ago was more than 50% below SPA price.
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Just concluded auction ...

De Cemara Setia Alam.

SnP 100k. Reserved Price 100k. Sold 178k.
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post Oct 26 2022, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(mezanny @ Oct 26 2022, 08:39 PM)
even for leasehold ?
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I think owner and state govt consent required.

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post Oct 28 2022, 07:27 AM

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QUOTE(alex_zhang @ Oct 28 2022, 12:04 AM)
Unless miraculously despite all this the property prices continue to rise, then the overvalued properties have to reconcile with reality. But I doubt that will be the case. The State Gov has been turning a blind eye on the people’s plight. Incompetence is still viewed as a virtue here. That’s why Sabah will continue to lag behind from the rest of the country. That and W.Malaysians are not considered Malaysians in Sabah. “Mana pasport?”
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As long first time buyers or any buyers want to buy without paying a sen upfront, plus freebies and rebates and cashback, property development will cont to go on.

Throwing more carrots will all eventually be sold.

Blaming other factors wont resolve the issues unless banks only finance 50% which will affect genuine buyers.

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post Oct 28 2022, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(submergedx @ Oct 28 2022, 09:50 AM)
I visit lowyat since 2013. They are questioning "why the property price so high will it drop?" until today. My unit bought in 2017 has asking price 20% than my SPA price today. Drop? Depend on what/where you bought perhaps.
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If owner have not bought into inflated pricing, unlikely will drop over long term.
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post Oct 28 2022, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(GravityFi3ld @ Oct 28 2022, 05:26 PM)
This is somewhat true.
Those selling will mostly end up giving some % of discount from the asking price - so, at 1M asking price, it could be transacted at 9xxK, whether 999K or 901K depends on how you or the agent nego and how "hot" the unit is or how desperate the seller is laugh.gif
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LOL ... buyers likes discounts. No discount, no syiok buying. So all sellers have no choice but to make buyer syiok sendiri.

Early birds discount entice buyers to Q few nights in developers front door.

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post Oct 28 2022, 06:21 PM

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Similar, asking low price ... can ask. Also syiok shj
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post Oct 29 2022, 11:12 AM

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Seller syiok first, then buyer turn.

When both syiok syiok, then sign snp.
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post Oct 29 2022, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(MalaysiaCEO @ Oct 29 2022, 12:33 PM)
If you want to know property market performance now the easier way was just look at the rental will do, was your landlord raise your rental? Was your landlord hard finding tenants nowadays? Investing property is all about the demand and supply, I know some people cannot accept the fact that property was really not a good investment already, in old times properties was booming it’s because all kampung kids moving into city looking for work, at that time city don’t have that much supply, but nowadays condo was mushrooming everywhere. The time have change, we are all in the moment of variation, the variation not crushing but just stabling.
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Many are now going into homestay investment.

I am into my 6th year.

Hardwork always pay better than passive income.
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post Oct 30 2022, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(jrshow @ Oct 30 2022, 12:19 PM)
poorperty actually not much gain also, big risk

for example ur SPA price 600000, if u sell 700000 also not much gain, why?

SPA lawyer fees 30K
RBGT 30% 10K
Agent Fees 21K
Seling Lawyer fees 10K

nowadays not easy also
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If making money from property is easy, developers would be launching new condos daily.

From buying land bank to VP it will take up to 10 years for profit to be realised.

So I dont see any shorter time frame for investors.

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post Oct 30 2022, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(contagiouseddie @ Oct 30 2022, 07:13 PM)
I think money making from property has passed in Malaysia. I bought my Setia Alam unit for 400K in 2008. It is currently rated around 900-950K. New launches by SP Setia is around that price but a lot smaller and not gated too. The increment of the property price is not that steep anymore to the point it cannot cover the miscellaneous fees that some of you have pointed out here for new property. But this doesn't mean price will drop, it will only increase in a smaller gradient. Unless you buy a unit at some ulu unknown area that suddenly become big in the near future (just like Setia Alam as example in 2004), chances that such huge increment hardly can happen. The demand is there as I get plenty of of inquiry from agent to sell all the time but not sure if this hold true for high rise.
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I believed money making from property is still available in msia but it need more work and risk. Gone are days when profits are made after VP.
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post Oct 31 2022, 08:17 AM

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QUOTE(ForgotPassword @ Oct 30 2022, 09:05 PM)
Chicken rice in 2008 is around RM4. Now coming RM8, also double up already.

So in real terms, properties didn't really appreciate that much more than inflation...
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There are costs in some investments. Investors cannot make more money through borrowed capital.
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post Oct 31 2022, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(MalaysiaCEO @ Oct 31 2022, 03:12 PM)
7 years until today, you can see everything is changing from now, which mean it was just a beginning of the change. Buy for own stay absolutely can, investment no.
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Investment in property is more work now compared to yesteryears. No more passive income mentality.

Money still can be made in property investments. By the time one realised it, he may missed the second train.
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post Nov 3 2022, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(mezanny @ Nov 3 2022, 08:52 AM)
whatever the case is....

i think these days due to MCO, ukraine war, etc etc etc...we've seen a lot of volatile market swings. We will never know what would happen next.

My advice ? Sell whatever old condo property you have, to cut your losses, and keep the cash to prepare...

prepare for what ?

if these type of volatile swings happen, then you have the ability to grab good bargains at cheaper prices whether they be landed properties, stocks, bitcoin, etc etc.
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If a real volatile swings were to happen in msia, how many are brave to buy property, stock etc. Keeping cash may not be safe also.

Many lost money in gloves counter after mco. Is even bad to buy properties since is high capital investment.

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post Nov 3 2022, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(mezanny @ Nov 3 2022, 09:16 AM)
they lost money in gloves counter, because they bought the stock when it was at its peak.

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In investments, nobody can predict the peak or the bottom. Investors buy on assumption that it will cont to rise or sell when it will fall.

Many would want to max profits or reduce losses and keep holding on to it.

And if ever racial conflicts were to happen in msia, i think it will be worst than may 13. Maybe a bottle of 5kg cooking oil will cost 1k.

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