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 Will you think the property market will fall soon?, will the landed property fall in 2024?

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icemanfx
post Jul 15 2022, 03:57 AM

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Building materials price movement has zero impact on completed poorperly. Over 85% of residential is in subsale market. If one insisted to buy overpriced new launch unit is deserved to pay water fish price.

Developers charge premium price for added amenities and landscaping. By reducing unnecessary amenities and landscaping, developers could reduce RM PSF price.

As most bought poorperly with bank loan. Price rise slower than loan interest and expenses incurred is a financial losses e.g price stagnant.

There could be substantial difference between asking, market, valuation and transacted price. Asking price is often syok sendiri and quoted by uuu.

Historically, rise in loan interest rate will tip overstretched borrowers into npl, incentived them to offload at below market price.

Many still ignorance to poorperly overhang. Until overhang is reduced substantially, price will remain suppressed.

Poorperly is illiquid, unlike commodities, stocks, BTC, etc, poorperly price takes years to bottom.

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post Jul 16 2022, 09:46 AM

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Building materials price rise only affects poorperly yet to build or launch, which is less than 10% of total stock.

Those die die must buy these overpriced new launch are deserved to pay water fish price.
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post Jul 16 2022, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(HikayatSalju @ Jul 16 2022, 12:18 PM)
Expect property price drop is like expecting inflation to reverse.
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When loan interest rate is high enough, inflation rate will drop.

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post Jul 16 2022, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(HikayatSalju @ Jul 16 2022, 05:08 PM)
Inflation rate drop just mean price stop increasing. Impossible for price go back down.
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Foreclosure price is often cheaper than market value.

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post Jul 17 2022, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(R231_SL65_AMG @ Jul 16 2022, 10:37 PM)
I used to be an avid property investor and speculator.

Klang valley and most urban area properties are no longer good investments unless you bought them pre-2010.

Cash flow? Nope. There isn’t any positive cash flow properties you can invest in any longer. Most are too expensive and rental rarely ever covers cost of ownership and maintenance.

Capital appreciation? Nope, most Klang valley properties are in stagnation and if you have a brickz account you’ll know that the secondary market isn’t moving all that much. Inflation however is eating into the value of your wealth.
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post Jul 17 2022, 07:26 PM

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According to wealth reports, only about 4% of adults in this country have over USD 100k net worth.

Poorperly is not the only investment opportunity available. Buy poorperly like vegetables or for their children is few and far in between.

Until poorperly overhang is reduced substantially, price will remain suppressed.

Poorperly is illiquid, price take years to bottom. As most bought with bank loan, price rise slower than loan interest and expenses incurred e.g price stagnant is a financial losses.

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post Aug 28 2022, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Aug 20 2022, 09:17 AM)
That one is as a whole that's why 45% only. If you look at Klang valley alone, it could be more ya. The dip is only due to covid. Another 2-3 years will increase back. Have to see long-term, not short-term. If want short term can play stock or casino. Btw you wait for 2032 and compare the price again.

Don't forget the house is almost a zero-risk investment, unless you made the creator angry and caused a massive flood like in Sri Muda, then there is no choice.

Crypto, stock and casinos are high-risk activities, so the return is more.
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Until poorperly overhang is reduced substantially, price will remain suppress.

QUOTE(ericthai @ Aug 21 2022, 10:32 AM)
People who sell houses at a loss is a minority and not the majority.

As long as the majority don't want to sell at a loss, the price of houses will stay stable due to increasing inflation and higher cost of building a new house.

Just because 1% sell at a loss, it will not affect the overall market price.
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It doesn't take many low transacted price for valuers for give low valuation.

Poorperly price rise slower than loan interest and expenses incurred is a financial losses.

QUOTE(ericthai @ Aug 28 2022, 10:32 AM)
Most people don't know what inflation is. They think that they sell property at same price that they bought 10 years ago, they do not lose any money.

The truth is that they lost a lot of money because the currency cannot buy as much things now as in the past.

Last time, a plate of Hokkien mee is rm 5, now it is rm 9. (almost double).

Student canteen price now (left), price 5 years ago (right) in picture below
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In the long term, residential poorperly price rise at about inflation rate.
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post Aug 29 2022, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(submergedx @ Aug 28 2022, 11:47 PM)
No it wont, Malaysia property price are dirt cheap. It wont crash.
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Cheap relative to income, foreign country?

QUOTE(submergedx @ Aug 29 2022, 12:13 AM)
Depends on what project you bought.
I bought in 2017 and the paper gain are still 20% on to date according the figure from buyer demanding price tag.
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20% price change over 5 years may or may not cover loan interest and expenses incurred. besides, transacted price could be significant lower than asking price.

QUOTE(pfizer @ Aug 29 2022, 12:41 AM)
what fall ? every new project lauch sure the price will increase around 20 - 30 % one.
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Similarly, discount, rebate, cash back, etc given by developer.

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post Aug 29 2022, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(submergedx @ Aug 29 2022, 11:25 AM)
Have you ever heard your surrounding friends who in his/her 30s doesnt own any property?
Those who bought, are on their ways buying 2nd and 3rd.
Expensive?

Work harder on your job then.
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Many are trapped in mortgage prison; loan interest rate rise by 1% could flip some into distress.

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post Aug 29 2022, 05:25 PM

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Poorperly overhang is a fact, population growth slowing down is a fact, fewer migrants from outstation is a fact, country becoming ageing nation by 2030 is a fact, elevated household debts is a fact, overhang in subsale is a few times of developers is a fact, many dsr is unsustainable is a fact, rising loan interest rate is a fact, liquidity tightening is a fact, more number of residential units than number of family in KV is a fact.

One could defy gravity temporary, and will eventually face reality.

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post Sep 10 2022, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(incubus_skj @ Sep 10 2022, 08:12 AM)
Waiting for property prices to fall is like waiting for car prices to fall after AFTA or dunno what back then

Year in year out ppl keep say "just wait it will come down next year" for over 10 years ad lol
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Car price was controlled by miti, price wasn't permitted to be cheaper to protect potong

Most if not all bought poorperly with bank loan, poorperly price rise slower than loan interest and expenses incurred is financial losses. Besides many subsales transacted lower than developer's price.

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post Sep 10 2022, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(jrshow @ Sep 9 2022, 04:35 PM)
what do i c is, those hot cake landed area, asking price even more expansive,for example, b4 the ukraine war, b4 the crazy inflation, the price is around 600K,after the war, when the crazy inflation started, the asking price become 700K, and even more higher, some even 720K

the question is, u can have ur asking price, but does the market accept? people willing to pay this crazy asking price?

As i c, obvisely no, by why those land lord still asking crazy price?

anyone is property agent here especially selling landed property?does the market as hot as those agent said? if dont buy the property price will be sky high etc..
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Asking price could be substantially different from valuation and transacted price. Have price no market is syok sendiri price.

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post Sep 10 2022, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(party @ Sep 9 2022, 11:11 PM)
The opr increase is back to pre covid era. If u cant afford before tis u cant afford now as well.

If u bought before tis n been paying n no go retarded on ur financial the opr wont kill.

Maybe adjustment like all this while. But fall? I haven hearing tis since i grad in 2014. Even BBW bought a hse d. Only one still delusional.
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Those bet on poorperly likely to have bet on glove shares and crypto during loan moratorium period, and most are trapped at high floor.

Poorperly bought in 2014 after considering loan interest and expenses paid is likely under water in current market sentiment.

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post Sep 10 2022, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(AfraidIGotBan @ Sep 10 2022, 06:46 PM)
I also machiam you, kena hardsell. Tell me that landed props very good, left few unsold, say kawan kawan thorlong la abit. 800k lol.

Later when he sudah behsong his boss, then break secret tell me, two hundred units, got 10+ is his boss and close relative punya. If this place punya unit no sell, they rugi teruk la, so had to hardsell.

Fker I rather buy kepong or cheras props if liddat. Penipu giler babi punya orang.
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Many landed units is blocked by developer's staffs and agents, and claimed sold but almost always units available.
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post Sep 10 2022, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(airtawarian @ Sep 10 2022, 02:04 PM)
From the defaulter list, u ordy know what is happening already...

*this is just 1 of the pagessss only
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*ordy 4 years still lelong tak habis

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It doesn't need many over stretched flippers to suppress price in any condo.

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post Sep 12 2022, 03:09 PM

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“We will observe a globally synchronized housing market downturn in 2023 and 2024,” said Hideaki Hirata of Hosei University, a former Bank of Japan economist who co-authored an International Monetary Fund paper on global house prices. He warns the full impact of this year’s aggressive rate hikes will take time to play out for households.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/202...rest-rates-hike
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post Sep 12 2022, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Sep 12 2022, 03:46 PM)
honestly, it wont go up but price are not far from 10 year ago.
i recently bought 3rd house same value as 10 years ago.
gated and guarded in penang mainland, just 2 km away from jit sin school and penang bridge, 1 km away from night hot spot and just 4 km away from sunway carnival mall which very big mall in penang.
good thing is aeons big just <500m away from my house  drool.gif

double story 450k even the bank value it 650k

some people now desperate to let go
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post Sep 28 2022, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(jrshow @ Sep 28 2022, 05:10 PM)
the interest rate goes up 3 times already in this year, anyone feel the burden?
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Still below pre COVID-19 level, what burden?
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post Oct 2 2022, 11:11 PM

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