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 Will you think the property market will fall soon?, will the landed property fall in 2024?

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post Jul 16 2022, 10:37 PM

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I used to be an avid property investor and speculator.

Klang valley and most urban area properties are no longer good investments unless you bought them pre-2010.

Cash flow? Nope. There isn’t any positive cash flow properties you can invest in any longer. Most are too expensive and rental rarely ever covers cost of ownership and maintenance.

Capital appreciation? Nope, most Klang valley properties are in stagnation and if you have a brickz account you’ll know that the secondary market isn’t moving all that much. Inflation however is eating into the value of your wealth.

Is it still a viable investment? Oh it depends, I own several old aged care homes and recently opened a confinement centre, if I didn’t buy the property then these businesses are at the mercy of a landlord. It’s a decent instrument if you’re fairly young and using it as a means for retirement or saving for your kids higher education, yes there are many better instruments but don’t bullshit yourself that you understand these instruments all that well as you’re probably not Warren Buffett.

Is it a good time to buy? It’s a buyers market now but it’s a good time to buy a nicer place for own dwelling. A decent time to buy something for each of your kids if you’re not planning on sending them overseas. It’s also a fantastic time to invest in property for certain business needs.

But the absolute best type of property you could invest in are freehold agriculture land that doesn’t have any type of ownership restrictions. If you find a piece of it especially if it has water and electric infra in place you better quickly snap it as soon as possible.
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post Jul 18 2022, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(Timber @ Jul 17 2022, 08:06 PM)
I am interested with what you mean properties for certain businesses. What kind of business you are referring to?
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If you’re a developer now is a good time to increase your land bank.

If you’re a successful farmer now is a good time to buy more land.

If you’re a successful restauranteur and don’t own your own premise or want to expand your premise then now is a good time to buy a new shop.

If you’re a manufacturer or industrialist then now is a fantastic time to buy a factory.

If you operate nursing or confinement homes like me and fairly successful at it then there’s no better time then now to source for new properties to expand.

Along that lines.
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post Jul 19 2022, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(mezanny @ Jul 19 2022, 02:18 PM)
tell me, which area subsale ? PJ ? can get below 800k ? I mean double storey. Not single.

People who sell for what give u in pristine condition ? mostly in disrepair one.

even got people faster snatch the property or sell a bit higher.

loan easy to qualify meh nowadays ? I won't want to commit to another loan.
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Most PJ DST that are 20x70 are going for around RM800-900k for a basic unit without any extensions. Check out Taman Mayang area.

Below RM800k? Yup, 18x60 ones, SS5, SS7 and some parts of SS3 and SS4 are around that these days.

22x70 for below RM800k? Can if you're willing to stay near HTC, face T-junction or near something else deemed undesirable.


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post Jul 19 2022, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(mezanny @ Jul 19 2022, 03:55 PM)
PJ houses r super hot. Need to pay renovation to cool it down...maybe install those roof ventilators. Reinstall the roof with aluminium insulation ?
I sweat when I am in one of them.
Not going to reveal why I am in a PJ house when I dun own one.

locale is superb.
but cost is expensive, must sell one of my property to buy one
I dun want to take any more loans
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PJ houses aren't any hotter or cooler than other homes built during the similar period.

Personally not that big into PJ DSTs though born and raised till 11 at various PJ houses. Now I don't find them to be all that appealing to live in as many of them the road and townplanning didn't move on with time, streets that should be 1 way isn't 1 way and their commercial areas are mostly stuck in their past glory and fails to attract a younger crowd.

If I were to buy a DST today then it would be in either Bangsar, Damansara or TTDI but I rather not live in a DST as I don't like having neighbours, especially Asian neighbours.
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post Jul 19 2022, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(scorptim @ Jul 19 2022, 05:47 PM)
Most people, not got people. Even now got people selling 1-1.2M. But most are selling 800k-1m.

Let’s not get technical la, for layman like me, I just check the property listings and see the price from there. That’s what the market price is…the price which is most commonly transacted in the market.
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People often mistake listed/asking price as the price it will sell.

Also some people take the values they saw at brickz.my as the true gospel of how much a property sold for and usually forget that there could have been overvaluation in order for the buyer to pay less in deposits.


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post Aug 15 2022, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(jrshow @ Aug 15 2022, 02:25 PM)
high inflation --- house price increase
good economy ---- house price increase also

no matter how house price sure increase..
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But are people buying?

Transaction data seems to show the market is all but dead.
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post Aug 15 2022, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(jrshow @ Aug 15 2022, 02:38 PM)
rent also not cheap...

for example a terence house in USJ can rent around 1800 semi furnish
if installment also around 2.3K..
looks like not very worth..
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But that’s still a near 20 year old house.

The maintenance on such a house don’t come cheap.
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post Aug 15 2022, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(KIT39 @ Aug 15 2022, 03:03 PM)
Land property is always up specially the freehold....

Condo below 800k still manage to sold depend which area.. For those cost million very challenging specially sub-sales....
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Those props are also down from their highs, most that are transacted are well below market value.
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post Aug 26 2022, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(thickface @ Aug 26 2022, 11:05 AM)
Either you do things yourself or you hire a better ID/contractor.

Pay peanuts, you get monkeys. My advice is really try to accommodate better services and workmanship. Not kidding. If not, huge headache later.
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Too bad in this country most people won’t pay for quality.

Everything want cheap cheap.
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post Aug 28 2022, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(scorptim @ Aug 26 2022, 02:52 PM)
Because in this country, especially developers like to goreng price kao kao and claim will give you good quality. End up still use China cheap materials and just charge you like hell coz you waterfish.

You think here you tell developer to build good quality and you will pay for it they really will use premium materials to build for you ah? They just slaughter you like a pig got la.
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When a developer builds a development, there are more to it than just the house.

They also need to cover the infra, these are by no means cheap to provide especially these days.

No one does business for free.

QUOTE(jrshow @ Aug 26 2022, 10:50 PM)
I rmb my grandfather said..shop at kl price only 9000,rental only rm 70 per month at 1940,now wat the price n rental fees now..
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Yes??

I guess you didn't ask him how much his salary was at that time and why he didn't buy more of them?

 

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