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Will you think the property market will fall soon?, will the landed property fall in 2024?
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Steponlego
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Jul 16 2022, 10:34 AM
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Without government interventions, yes it will fall.
But no government of the day want it to fall. Various countermeasures will be deployed, discounts, rebates, 1st time buyer scheme, you name it. And so it stays.
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Omgf
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Jul 16 2022, 10:34 AM
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QUOTE(ry8128 @ Jul 14 2022, 08:47 PM) Property will never ever drop. At most it is stagnant. Even a worldwide pandemic in 2020 unable to bring it down, what makes u think inflation or economy crisis will bring it down? Who ever thought that Russia and Ukraine will have a war? How about mini potato country on the map and its neighbour countries?
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David900924
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Jul 16 2022, 10:45 AM
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Why would property drop, it own by banks, banks will hav gov to help to boost property market when there low sales. If property drop badly, bank shares will suffer badly as well. Usually it is the b40 market tat hav poor sales.
This post has been edited by David900924: Jul 16 2022, 10:47 AM
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HikayatSalju
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Jul 16 2022, 12:18 PM
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Expect property price drop is like expecting inflation to reverse.
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icemanfx
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Jul 16 2022, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE(HikayatSalju @ Jul 16 2022, 12:18 PM) Expect property price drop is like expecting inflation to reverse. When loan interest rate is high enough, inflation rate will drop.
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HikayatSalju
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Jul 16 2022, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 16 2022, 05:02 PM) When loan interest rate is high enough, inflation rate will drop. Inflation rate drop just mean price stop increasing. Impossible for price go back down.
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Boomwick
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Jul 16 2022, 05:31 PM
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600k Go to 750k
Then balik 650k
For those byy 750k.. is drop lo
For those 600k.. still no drop
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Chrono-Trigger
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Jul 16 2022, 06:33 PM
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QUOTE(Dingdongcc @ Jul 15 2022, 10:31 PM) Perhaps people who over leverage will sell cheap, as interest rates are going up, living cost go up. Not everybody can sustain multiple properties. i know of a person with > 10 properties
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Chrono-Trigger
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Jul 16 2022, 06:34 PM
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QUOTE(Steponlego @ Jul 16 2022, 10:34 AM) Without government interventions, yes it will fall. But no government of the day want it to fall. Various countermeasures will be deployed, discounts, rebates, 1st time buyer scheme, you name it. And so it stays. if too desperate open market for foreigners, last card
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Dingdongcc
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Jul 16 2022, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Jul 16 2022, 06:33 PM) i know of a person with > 10 properties My relatives have more than 10 too, seem to be alright. Not everybody will be able to sustain tho if more people can’t afford to rent. For example my relative told me she has one condo near Klcc, pre pandemic renting out 4.5-5k a month, now only renting 3.5k. Which means monthly need to fork out more than 1k. Not huge sum for them but imagine if it’s multiple properties. Cash flow very important
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Chrono-Trigger
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Jul 16 2022, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE(Dingdongcc @ Jul 16 2022, 08:15 PM) My relatives have more than 10 too, seem to be alright. Not everybody will be able to sustain tho if more people can’t afford to rent. For example my relative told me she has one condo near Klcc, pre pandemic renting out 4.5-5k a month, now only renting 3.5k. Which means monthly need to fork out more than 1k. Not huge sum for them but imagine if it’s multiple properties. Cash flow very important I think it can be very dangerous to hold to so many properties. 1-2 properties can already be headache for many people with rental chasing etc....
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icemanfx
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Jul 16 2022, 09:52 PM
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QUOTE(HikayatSalju @ Jul 16 2022, 05:08 PM) Inflation rate drop just mean price stop increasing. Impossible for price go back down. Foreclosure price is often cheaper than market value.
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R231_SL65_AMG
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Jul 16 2022, 10:37 PM
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I used to be an avid property investor and speculator.
Klang valley and most urban area properties are no longer good investments unless you bought them pre-2010.
Cash flow? Nope. There isn’t any positive cash flow properties you can invest in any longer. Most are too expensive and rental rarely ever covers cost of ownership and maintenance.
Capital appreciation? Nope, most Klang valley properties are in stagnation and if you have a brickz account you’ll know that the secondary market isn’t moving all that much. Inflation however is eating into the value of your wealth.
Is it still a viable investment? Oh it depends, I own several old aged care homes and recently opened a confinement centre, if I didn’t buy the property then these businesses are at the mercy of a landlord. It’s a decent instrument if you’re fairly young and using it as a means for retirement or saving for your kids higher education, yes there are many better instruments but don’t bullshit yourself that you understand these instruments all that well as you’re probably not Warren Buffett.
Is it a good time to buy? It’s a buyers market now but it’s a good time to buy a nicer place for own dwelling. A decent time to buy something for each of your kids if you’re not planning on sending them overseas. It’s also a fantastic time to invest in property for certain business needs.
But the absolute best type of property you could invest in are freehold agriculture land that doesn’t have any type of ownership restrictions. If you find a piece of it especially if it has water and electric infra in place you better quickly snap it as soon as possible.
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icemanfx
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Jul 17 2022, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE(R231_SL65_AMG @ Jul 16 2022, 10:37 PM) I used to be an avid property investor and speculator. Klang valley and most urban area properties are no longer good investments unless you bought them pre-2010. Cash flow? Nope. There isn’t any positive cash flow properties you can invest in any longer. Most are too expensive and rental rarely ever covers cost of ownership and maintenance. Capital appreciation? Nope, most Klang valley properties are in stagnation and if you have a brickz account you’ll know that the secondary market isn’t moving all that much. Inflation however is eating into the value of your wealth. This post has been edited by icemanfx: Jul 17 2022, 02:57 PM
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SUSAccord2018
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Jul 17 2022, 03:20 PM
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QUOTE(David900924 @ Jul 16 2022, 10:45 AM) Why would property drop, it own by banks, banks will hav gov to help to boost property market when there low sales. If property drop badly, bank shares will suffer badly as well. Usually it is the b40 market tat hav poor sales. as long as still got crude oil to sell, the price would not drop. Only if the economy collapse then only will sell it cheaper.
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galkelly
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Jul 17 2022, 03:51 PM
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Even rain dont drop these day....not to mention property.
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forever1979
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Jul 17 2022, 05:28 PM
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when come to buy, easy, but when come to sell, very hard
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wawasan2200
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Jul 17 2022, 05:32 PM
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will not drop because someones will take actions to prevent that
propeert is owned by rich peopl
rich people will take action to protect their wealth and most importantly they are able to do that because they can influence policies makers
the powderful power and wealth relationship
go back to simple demand supply relationship
currently supply is higher than demand,
in long term, the rich will ask the poor to produce more rezeki
in short term, will target overseas buyers like investor and retiree as cost of living in Malaysia us actually cheap
T20 from other countries will come Malaysia local, local upper tier remain T20, lower tier T20 fall to M40, lower tier M40 fall to B40
if Malaysia go bankcrupt lower tier t20 and below all die upper tier T20 eg: sri lanka president can escape from shithole
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thickface
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Jul 17 2022, 07:16 PM
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Last time used to think property will drop price like every other market which always have up and down trend.
Covid trend - the prices did drop a little but did not collapse. Now I'm in the property investment game and I can say it's dictated by the rich. You don't buy, you lose out or just be happy with whatever condition that you are in - condo/normal house unit. Lots of people will continue buying for their next generation and I kid you not, they goreng property like we buying clothes.
Honestly, the only way to earn from property crash is via others misfortune which is auction unit. Nonetheless, do your research first because majority people just buy via uncle aunty and parents advice. Hold your money until a good investment place come along or just buy via feelings and earn even more to dictate your lifestyle.
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icemanfx
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Jul 17 2022, 07:26 PM
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According to wealth reports, only about 4% of adults in this country have over USD 100k net worth.
Poorperly is not the only investment opportunity available. Buy poorperly like vegetables or for their children is few and far in between.
Until poorperly overhang is reduced substantially, price will remain suppressed.
Poorperly is illiquid, price take years to bottom. As most bought with bank loan, price rise slower than loan interest and expenses incurred e.g price stagnant is a financial losses.
This post has been edited by icemanfx: Jul 17 2022, 07:40 PM
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