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post Nov 2 2022, 02:12 AM

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Hi TS,
I notice most tires have this label regarding "steel, polyamide, nylon, polyester"...
Different tires have different combination.
Could you enlighten us what does it mean? and their pros & cons?
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post Nov 3 2022, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Nov 2 2022, 03:15 PM)
Hi, thanks for your kind reply, but I am not asking you.

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post Nov 3 2022, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(mdziaf @ Nov 2 2022, 07:09 PM)
Just to add so that it answers your question directly:

The number indicates how much of that material is present. There are two places where this is checked and labelled:
1. The tread counts the number of material if you cut through the tire directly in the middle
2. The sidewall counts the number of material as you cut through the sidewall

So for example:
Tread: 1 polyester + 2 steel + 2 nylon
Sidewall 2 polyester
This means that there is 1 polyester body ply at the middle of the tire followed by 2 layers of steel belts and finally 2 layers of nylon cap material that is present at the center of the tire (from bottom to top)

At the sidewall there is 2 layers of body ply material. In this case it is the same ply material that is found at the center but wrapped around by the bead and runs up the sidewall.

Different tires will have different combination of body ply, and nylon cap depending on its speed rating and required performances. All car tires will have 2 layers of steel belts.
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Thanks for this detailed explanation.
What I noticed was, in the budget tire category, say Toyo CR1 / Conti CC6 / Hankook Kinergy / GY Triplemax etc, each has different combinations of tread/sidewall. Tire manufacturer does not publish this info in their website. We only got to know the info when look at actual tire.
Based on your experience, what are the best combinations for a budget tire?
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post Nov 3 2022, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(mdziaf @ Nov 3 2022, 02:13 PM)
Yes I wouldn't expect them to publish because even if the same tire size e.g. 185/55R15 under the same company - the tire construction will vary depending on again the speed symbol of the tire and the performances required. The best combination is actually the one that is on the actual tire as that combination has been tested and will meet all the regulatory and safety requirements set by the company and by the law.
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let say ,
Toyo CR1 : 1 Polyester + 1 steel + 2 nylon
Conti CC6 : 1 Polyester + 2 steel + 1 nylon

Could you teach us how to choose the better one? (regardless of their treadwear/dry/wet grip)

Thank you sir.
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post Nov 3 2022, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(mdziaf @ Nov 3 2022, 04:45 PM)
It is not possible to say which is better just by comparing the number of polyester/steel/nylon written on the tire. So please don't try to look into these numbers too much. They are there mainly for legal purposes.

And just to give you an idea as to why it is not possible - There a multiple variations of polyester body ply that is used in a tire by a single manufacturer and each manufacturer uses their own variation. So even if you have two tires stating that they have 1 polyester body ply like your example, I cannot tell you which is better because i do not know what type of polyester are the using. The same goes for the steel belt material and the nylon cap.
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Ok i got your meaning.
Thanks for info, sir.

 

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