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post Jan 18 2023, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(MISMan @ Jan 18 2023, 04:30 PM)
Hi TS,
Thank you for offering such a great service to the community!
I have a question:
Run Flat tyre - 18". My tyre picked up a screw at the sidewall and tyreshop said "it might explode when they try to pull it out (a new tyre may be needed"
Is that true on the statement above and what causes it to explode and not for ordinary tyre (non-run flat). Would u know why?
As i know, run flat tyre has thicker and tougher sidewall. He just pulled it out and didnt explode n yet he didnt bother to patch up the hole.
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maybe shop was mentioning old type run flat.
new one will not explode, but still leak. so we need to patch d hole. same as normal tyre
otherwise u let it leak until low pressure then drive long distance generate high heat explode
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post Jan 18 2023, 06:06 PM

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Cheap china tyre good reliable or not?
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post Jan 18 2023, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Jan 18 2023, 06:03 PM)
maybe shop was mentioning old type run flat.
new one will not explode, but still leak. so we need to patch d hole. same as normal tyre
otherwise u let it leak until low pressure then drive long distance generate high heat explode
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I only know there is 1 type of run flat tyre. Are there many types?

Mine was date year 2020. Older type or newer type?

My tyre pressure maintains...may he did patch it... (cant remember that well)



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post Jan 18 2023, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(MISMan @ Jan 18 2023, 06:11 PM)
I only know there is 1 type of run flat tyre. Are there many types?
Mine was date year 2020. Older type or newer type?
My tyre pressure maintains...may he did patch it... (cant remember that well)
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old type was obsolete ten yrs ago.
he got patch laa. else leak even just a few hours
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post Jan 18 2023, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(teslaman @ Jan 18 2023, 06:06 PM)
Cheap china tyre good reliable or not?
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see the brand
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post Jan 18 2023, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Jan 18 2023, 06:19 PM)
see the brand
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cheap china tyre at 1/2 price against good tyre normal price

but get 2x tyre change as compare to good tyre

i believe more frequent service is better than extended use of single tyle

but u the expert
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post Jan 19 2023, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(teslaman @ Jan 18 2023, 06:06 PM)
Cheap china tyre good reliable or not?
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As the famous tire pro Jonathan from TireReviews UK says, "Cheap tires are cheap for a reason."

QUOTE(teslaman @ Jan 18 2023, 06:21 PM)
cheap china tyre at 1/2 price against good tyre normal price

but get 2x tyre change as compare to good tyre

i believe more frequent service is better than extended use of single tyle

but u the expert
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No, absolutely not! I'd rather use a Michelin PS4 at 50% tread than a brand new cheapo China tires, seriously!
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post Jan 19 2023, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(MISMan @ Jan 18 2023, 04:30 PM)
Hi TS,

Thank you for offering such a great service to the community!

I have a question:

Run Flat tyre - 18". My tyre picked up a screw at the sidewall and tyreshop said "it might explode when they try to pull it out (a new tyre may be needed"

Is that true on the statement above and what causes it to explode and not for ordinary tyre (non-run flat). Would u know why?

As i know, run flat tyre has thicker and tougher sidewall. He just pulled it out and didnt explode n yet he didnt bother to patch up the hole.

Thanks!
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Sidewall puncture is not recommended for repair as this area incurs the highest amount of stress during normal use. Hence sidewall damage is usually classified as unrepairable.

Just to clarify tires would not explode !!!!! It is not made out of explosives.

The cause of concern is when you are running the tire at high speed, a sudden lose of pressure would force your tire to rotate without sufficient support as air is not longer present to withstand the load. Hence this cause a big "show" as your tire will degrade badly due to the high forces being exerted on it.

Hope this helps
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post Jan 19 2023, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(teslaman @ Jan 18 2023, 06:06 PM)
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reliable as in it will carry the load of the car, yes for sure.

but if you are looking for safety such as wet braking or value such as mileage, they are currently no where near what the mid or premium side.

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post Jan 19 2023, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(epjx31 @ Jan 19 2023, 10:28 AM)
reliable as in it will carry the load of the car, yes for sure.

but if you are looking for safety such as wet braking or value such as mileage, they are currently no where near what the mid or premium side.

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does cheap china tires contribute to car vibration at high speeds?

i've sent my car for SC they checked suspension, absorber, drive shaft and even did car speed test but mechanics say ok. only thing i can think off now is tires and really rough road conditions?
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post Jan 19 2023, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(epjx31 @ Jan 19 2023, 10:26 AM)
Sidewall puncture is not recommended for repair as this area incurs the highest amount of stress during normal use. Hence sidewall damage is usually classified as unrepairable.

Just to clarify tires would not explode !!!!! It is not made out of explosives.

The cause of concern is when you are running the tire at high speed, a sudden lose of pressure would force your tire to rotate without sufficient support as air is not longer present to withstand the load. Hence this cause a big "show" as your tire will degrade badly due to the high forces being exerted on it.

Hope this helps
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Hi,

Just to clarify that when tyreman said "it might explode was due to sudden high pressure release or something like that" (from his past experience). <- that was why i want to know if this can be true (or to what extent)

Thanks

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post Jan 19 2023, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(MISMan @ Jan 19 2023, 12:18 PM)
Hi,

Just to clarify that when tyreman said "it might explode was due to sudden high pressure release or something like that" (from his past experience). <- that was why i want to know if this can be true (or to what extent)

Thanks
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What your tyreman said is what epjx31 replied:

QUOTE(epjx31 @ Jan 19 2023, 10:26 AM)

The cause of concern is when you are running the tire at high speed, a sudden lose of pressure would force your tire to rotate without sufficient support as air is not longer present to withstand the load. Hence this cause a big "show" as your tire will degrade badly due to the high forces being exerted on it.
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The high pressure your tyreman mentioned is the air pressure in the tires (which is higher than ambient air pressure). A sudden loss of pressure is what is most concerning in your case.


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post Jan 19 2023, 07:10 PM

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Hi TS and tyre experts..

Can these tyres still be used?

2017.. mileage has been 30k.

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This post has been edited by Natsukashii: Jan 19 2023, 07:12 PM
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post Jan 19 2023, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(Natsukashii @ Jan 19 2023, 07:10 PM)
Hi TS and tyre experts..

Can these tyres still be used?

2017.. mileage has been 30k.

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Yes can still be used, but due for replacement soon. Drive slow in the wet. Use the treadwear indicator on the tyre as reference.

This post has been edited by HalseyFrangipane: Jan 19 2023, 11:33 PM
TSepjx31
post Jan 20 2023, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(Natsukashii @ Jan 19 2023, 07:10 PM)
Hi TS and tyre experts..

Can these tyres still be used?

2017.. mileage has been 30k.

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Hi there,

Could you be so kind to measure the tread depth ? both center & shoulder.

Based on the pictures, I do not see any structural damages which means the tire is still well intact.

For me the bigger concern is how much tread depth is left. As previously stated, there is a huge difference in wet performances comparing low vs new tire. This is a risk you should understand.

What was the main concern from your side?

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post Jan 20 2023, 09:51 AM

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I have already use conti CC6 twice
any recomendation for next change, that within same budget range?
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post Jan 20 2023, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(myroy @ Jan 20 2023, 09:51 AM)
I have already use conti CC6 twice
any recomendation for next change, that within same budget range?
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What are your main requirements? Noise ? Wet braking?
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post Jan 20 2023, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(HalseyFrangipane @ Jan 19 2023, 11:33 PM)
Yes can still be used, but due for replacement soon. Drive slow in the wet. Use the treadwear indicator on the tyre as reference.
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Sure will, thank you.
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post Jan 20 2023, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(epjx31 @ Jan 20 2023, 09:41 AM)
Hi there,

Could you be so kind to measure the tread depth ? both center & shoulder.

Based on the pictures, I do not see any structural damages which means the tire is still well intact.

For me the bigger concern is how much tread depth is left. As previously stated, there is a huge difference in wet performances comparing low vs new tire. This is a risk you should understand.

What was the main concern from your side?
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SC said tyre tread depth is 3mm. Not sure if it's center or shoulder. I'll have to measure it. If can use, I'll change when it's 2mm or below.

My concern.. I was worried because the way it looks on this area:

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Other areas are fine though. As you seen the earlier pictures, they look fine.

Not really looking into performance, of course change is better but if it's not necessary to change, prefer not change it.



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post Jan 20 2023, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(Natsukashii @ Jan 20 2023, 01:49 PM)
SC said tyre tread depth is 3mm. Not sure if it's center or shoulder. I'll have to measure it. If can use, I'll change when it's 2mm or below.

My concern.. I was worried because the way it looks on this area:

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Other areas are fine though. As you seen the earlier pictures, they look fine.

Not really looking into performance, of course change is better but if it's not necessary to change, prefer not change it.
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Feel free to still use it. There's plenty of thread depth remaining (1.6mm is the minimum legal requirement). Changing at 2mm is also a good practice during the rainy season.

With regards to the shoulder looking like it is, this is not a cause of concern. Just the rubber aging.

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