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Quazacolt
post Sep 30 2007, 08:04 PM

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you need a dual core cpu and maybe 2gb ram on dual channel mode but if ur on stripped down XP without any background programs and not heavy usage of 3rd party addons, 1gb ram should be fine. also, your graphic card should be upgraded a wee bit.

bottom line? new computer time.

as for myself... /flex to:
ALL video options maxed out, 8x multisampling

130-150 FPS
Quazacolt
post Oct 1 2007, 02:36 PM

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best way to determine if she needs ram upgrades or not, is to check your task manager while running WoW.

on performance tab, over physical memory, is it very low? or still got a lot of rams left, and also check ur ram usage %, is it always under 80%?
and is the HDD having a lot of activity and game freezes time to time? does she lag during alt tabbing? (heavy HDD activity during alt tab)

if yes to more than one or all of the above, then yes you need ram upgrade)

another obvious cause is your processor/3D card as mentioned earlier.

bear in mind TBC have its graphic engine upgraded. so while you may not lag in molten core/BWL/AQ40 etc etc in the old days, chances are even with 25man raid (15 man less than 4), you'll lag a lot more than before (SSC/TK above)
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post Oct 5 2007, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(Nosferatu @ Oct 5 2007, 12:25 PM)
interesting, may i know what your cpu and ram was ? also were you running wow at 1440x900?
Am certainly sure she is using an updated ati driver. I am really interested to know how you can get 30-40fps. Hopefully this will help my gf out a little.

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widescreen/normal screen resolutions dont matter. the only thing that does is ur graphic card able to support said resolutions or not (coupled with graphic detail settings)

for example:
you run at 1440x900, all low, 20 fps
but if you run it at perhaps 640x480, you may set everything max/high and you'd still get maybe around 20fps (for example)

the larger the resolution (pixels), the more processing power your graphic card will need.

btw i run on 1680x1050 native resolution on my samsung 226bw wub.gif
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post Oct 5 2007, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(Nosferatu @ Oct 5 2007, 01:39 PM)
Me lieky your monitor ..
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yes, its a sexy thing. but do wait for 226CW, much better.
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post Nov 21 2007, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(alkidance @ Nov 21 2007, 04:55 PM)
Since patch 2.3, my fps has been suffering horribly.  I'm not sure if it's due to the patch, or my computer dying.

In Mt Hyjal first 3 bosses, the waves are disconnecting me from game.  As a tank, I buried myself deep in a fray of mobs, aoe tanking, while spells, npcs and players filled my screen.  My fps then dips to around 14-17, my latency increases from 500ms average to 700-1000ms.  Then my screen freezes and I'm booted to login screen.

Logging back in doesn't work unless I get kicked out from the raid - due to UI load times out.  Getting kicked out of the raid often lets me back into the instance where i can continue the fight after a raid invite.  If my screen doesn't load fast enough, I'd miss the invite and auto port out.

I've tried:

i. disabling some high mem usage uis like recount, assessment, auctioneer,
ii. totally removed bartender, defaulting back to blizzard UI,
iii kept only essential UIs still used like scl, prat, deadlybossmod. 
iv. tried lowering my video settings, except spell details.
v. updated nvidia video drivers
vi. updated windows vista.

I'm running out of ideas.

My spec:
intel dual core 2.13
Nvidia 8800 GTS
2gig mem
80gig hdd
streamyx 1mb via router.
24" Dell widescreen running max resolution window mode.

Any help here greatly appreciated.
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based on this it still could be UI mods affecting you, try to run without ANY mods. because you shouldnt lag at all with your computer specs.

also check if ur running multisampling (WoW video settings)/AA (external settings eg: video card settings itself to force AA aka multisampling)

also check what other background apps ur running beside WoW (vista is known to have a lot of apps/services running in the background)

also based on your description, is your HDD activity high during your low FPS? if yes, it could be:
- background apps producing heavy HDD load
- RAM low, and accessing vram swap (80-90% ram usage = low of ram and VRAMs will be heavily ultilize, aka disk R/W aka lag)

also check if your temperature during your lag is high (since you are using a 8800, chances are your card could be overheating and wierd symptoms will surface such as lagging, or even hang, or even system slowness and the list goes on, and thats just video card, ur cpu or rams or even HDD could also be overheating)

perform step-by-step troubleshootings to isolate issues so you can pinpoint the cause accurately and proceed from there.
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post Nov 21 2007, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(tales @ Nov 21 2007, 05:46 PM)
It is normal that when you step into Hyjal, your fps decreases significantly when the trash waves appear and even more so when your hunters kite a mob to bring in other npcs like jaina or thrall/taurens. However it's of course not normal to be disconnected. Quaza above has already mentioned some stuff which you could look through, but one thing that you can look into is your network card configuration. That was the one that made me disconnect tonnes whenever I had an overload of information and after making the change as posted in blizz's forum, it was solved.

This is what I have gathered from the blizzard technical support. I was using an Asus Mobo, so the settings might be a lil different but this is pretty much the gist of it:

1. Go to "Start" > "Control Panel".
2. Double click to open "Network Connections".
3. Right click on your network adapter and go to properties (should be labeled as "NVIDIA nForce Ethernet Controller").
4. Click on "Configure" and go to the "Advanced" tab.
5. Select "Checksum Offload" or "Hardware Checksum" and choose disable in the window to the right.
6. Select "Speed and Duplex" or "Media Type" and select "Force 100 full duplex" (Note: if you lose internet connectivity, select "Force 10 full duplex")
7. Click on Ok.

You may also need to delete your entire WDB folder (located in the World of Warcraft directory) and test the game. The cached files in this folder are occasionally known to cause this issue, and their deletion may immediately fix the problem. However, unless totally necessary, dont do this coz you will have to redo your macros/keybindings and all which might take some time.

Last but not least, dont play in windows mode unless really necessary. Your fps will increase significantly with your full-screen play.
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to add in to that, perhaps update your nforce drivers or even back date your nforce drivers (assuming if you are using nforce based platforms) because nforce platforms are known to cause all kinds of issues as opposed to intel platforms. and the above solution is being addressed to nforce.

also as for for your WDB, you CAN back up your macro/keybinding caches by opening the files with notepad etc and copying the texts thats resemblence to your macro listings or keybinding configurations. or, just screenshot/manually back up them from WoW.
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post Nov 22 2007, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(alkidance @ Nov 22 2007, 09:10 PM)
hmm im using vista so that little network setting is a little confusing to me.

As for WDB, WDB doesn't do anything noticeable. Did you mean WTF?
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WTF are interface files where as WDB are in game cache files, such as tooltips, item descriptions, player's name/guilds/models etc etc
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post Nov 23 2007, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(julia88 @ Nov 23 2007, 10:32 AM)
Hmm...hey guys. I'm having FPS issues as well. In some areas  I have 75-80fps. Then others I can drop to 29fps or lower even in shattrath. I dont know what seems to be the problem.

I'm running @ 1024x768 resolution with the settings on mid-level and some on low.

PC Specs:
Win xp
3.2ghz dual core intel
2gb ram
160gb hdd
winfast 8600GT x 256mb (just upgraded from 7300LE)
19" dell LCD

My nvidia drivers are the latest from the website.

Help me sad.gif
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post bc graphic engine/enviroments has been upgraded pretty drastically. places like shatt with its complex decos and fancy effects will bog down systems that isnt really high end.

and your 8600GT upgrade over the 7300LE is not a very huge upgrade, the only main upgrade you did was enabling DX10 games/applications. other than that not too much of an upgrade when it comes to graphic performance.


Added on November 23, 2007, 2:43 pm
QUOTE(joeboto @ Nov 23 2007, 11:36 AM)
yes , there is. called ACP, get from wowaceupdater.

btw, im having this problem.

user posted image

before the screen appears like SS, there were HEAVY screen tearing, .
updated drivers, cleaned the gfx from dust etc, done reverting old drivers, but no luck,.
when alt-tab, the screen return to normal for about 30secs, then it happens again.  icon_question.gif

any idea?

im using ati 9600xt.
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go download the ATI tools thingy from ATI and run the tests to check for artifacts. not to mention check your temperature too. chances are its getting overheated and producing artifacts (fan/cooler faulty etc), or, memory chip (stores textures) being faulty etc

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Nov 23 2007, 02:43 PM
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post Nov 23 2007, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(julia88 @ Nov 23 2007, 03:23 PM)
hmm...in that case, what should I change in order to make the FPS less jumpy. If i get 60fps constant I'm happy already. Don't need FPS in the 100s sad.gif
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try the previously mentioned troubleshooting methods and see if it helps.

imho your specs should be able to play WoW on all medium or even high settings.
so it may be other issues such as addons, or sounds or your background applications.
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post Nov 23 2007, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(myremi @ Nov 23 2007, 07:08 PM)
When checking your addons,

1. Turn them off one at a time to find the culprit.
2. If that doesn't work, delete addon folder in WorldofWarcraft/Interface/Addons.
3. If that doesn't work, delete the *.lua file (e.g. for Decursive it's going to be Decursive.lua). It's in the WoW/WTF and WoW/WTF/CharacterName . Best is to use the Windows Search function to look for *.lua files to be deleted.

You can cut it short by deleting the WTF folders but you'll also lose your macro file (usually macros*.txt files, there's alot of them).

4. If that doesn't work, it's probably an incompatibility with another addon or one of the libraries isn't updated. If you're using Ace2-based addon (e.g Cartographer, Omen, BigWigs), use a software named WoWAceUpdater.exe to update these files with Externals option on.

5. If it's already too much of a hassle, delete the entire WTF and Interface/Addons folder and start from scratch. Some of the older addons do not delete the older files which in turn can interfer with the addon that you want on.

Note : The biggest headache whenever a new patch comes out is any addon that makes changes to the UI (User Interface). Example was when patch 2.1 (or was it patch 2.2) came out, it crippled all Bongos and XPerl users. Either the entire WoW interface look weird or there are bizarre buttons popping up here and there.

Note2 : Try to find out where the addon author updates regularly. Example : ItemRack is updated at WoWinterface.com and not regularly at WoW.Curse.com. Although Curse.com is huge, it doesn't mean that it gets the latest updates.
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correction: turning ALL the addons off, THEN turning them on 1 by 1 to check for problematic addons is a better method
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post Nov 25 2007, 05:11 AM

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QUOTE(joeboto @ Nov 23 2007, 11:47 PM)
ok my prob solved by downclock the core speed.
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but no moar tearing! biggrin.gif

thanks quaza for pointing amd tools! biggrin.gif
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np, if its solved by downclocking the GPU core speed then its prolly overheating issues. can consider 3rd party cooling if you wanna get the core speed back up smile.gif

 

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