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post Jun 22 2022, 08:03 AM, updated 2 months ago

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Seorang ahli akademik percaya terdapat percanggahan antara ajaran dan cara umat Islam berkelakuan di Malaysia.

Fellow Utama, Institut Kajian Etnik (KITA), Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia, Anis Yusal Yusoff berkata, masyarakat Islam kelihatan “selektif” terhadap perkara yang dibenarkan dan tidak dibenarkan dalam Islam.

Sebagai contoh, kedua-dua pengambilan daging babi dan rasuah adalah tidak dibenarkan dalam Islam, babi haram tahu, tetapi yang ini (rasuah) tak tahu,” katanya semasa forum mengenai topik Islam di Malaysia.

Anis berkata, ini adalah soal integriti dan mempersoalkan bagaimana umat Islam boleh terus berkeras untuk hanya makan di kedai yang disahkan halal tetapi masih ada segelintir daripada mereka menerima dan memberi rasuah.

Beliau juga berkata, negara perlu memikirkan semula bentuk Islam yang diamalkan pada masa ini, sambil menambah bahawa terdapat keperluan untuk bentuk agama yang lebih progresif dan inklusif.

Anis kesal kerana sistem pendidikan awam Malaysia tidak secara terbuka menggalakkan pembelajaran agama lain atau pengajian antara agama.

“Mengapa kita tidak mengadakan lawatan pendidikan ke gereja dan rumah ibadat lain, atau menjemput orang bukan Islam ke masjid?” soalnya.

Beliau menyeru umat Islam untuk bersikap terbuka dan menghormati agama lain, sambil menambah bahawa ini penting untuk menggalakkan keharmonian agama.

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...lmnpeqdw0oo634s
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post Jun 22 2022, 08:08 AM

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This is one fine example. Sendiri ghey, tapi condemn Abidah tak pakai tudung. Ish ish.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5283101
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post Jun 22 2022, 08:08 AM

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post Jun 22 2022, 08:11 AM

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post Jun 22 2022, 08:12 AM

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Other than rasuah, is discrimination based on Bumi and non Bumi allowed in Islam?
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Sebagai contoh, kedua-dua pengambilan daging babi dan rasuah adalah tidak dibenarkan dalam Islam, babi haram tahu, tetapi yang ini (rasuah) tak tahu,” katanya semasa forum mengenai topik Islam di Malaysia.

Sebijik macem najib.

Babi? ranting.gif Rasuah? whistling.gif

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post Jun 22 2022, 08:16 AM

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BIla dia akan bangun dari mimpi dia ni? Only praktis benda yang senang dipraktis... songlap is budaya...
Is praktis an actual word in BM or another tunggang English like Inggeris?

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im curious actually, why pipit no tudung will kena kecam, but helang like rosmah no need wear tudung and people no kecam?
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If the ulama behave otherwise what else is expected from the followers????

It's not rocket science
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Sebagai contoh, kedua-dua pengambilan daging babi dan rasuah adalah tidak dibenarkan dalam Islam, babi haram tahu, tetapi yang ini (rasuah) tak tahu,”


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QUOTE(jueiri @ Jun 22 2022, 08:15 AM)
Sebagai contoh, kedua-dua pengambilan daging babi dan rasuah adalah tidak dibenarkan dalam Islam, babi haram tahu, tetapi yang ini (rasuah) tak tahu,” katanya semasa forum mengenai topik Islam di Malaysia.

Sebijik macem najib.

Babi?  ranting.gif    Rasuah? whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jun 22 2022, 08:03 AM)
Seorang ahli akademik percaya terdapat percanggahan antara ajaran dan cara umat Islam berkelakuan di Malaysia.

Fellow Utama, Institut Kajian Etnik (KITA), Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia, Anis Yusal Yusoff berkata, masyarakat Islam kelihatan “selektif” terhadap perkara yang dibenarkan dan tidak dibenarkan dalam Islam.

Sebagai contoh, kedua-dua pengambilan daging babi dan rasuah adalah tidak dibenarkan dalam Islam, babi haram tahu, tetapi yang ini (rasuah) tak tahu,” katanya semasa forum mengenai topik Islam di Malaysia.

Anis berkata, ini adalah soal integriti dan mempersoalkan bagaimana umat Islam boleh terus berkeras untuk hanya makan di kedai yang disahkan halal tetapi masih ada segelintir daripada mereka menerima dan memberi rasuah.

Beliau juga berkata, negara perlu memikirkan semula bentuk Islam yang diamalkan pada masa ini, sambil menambah bahawa terdapat keperluan untuk bentuk agama yang lebih progresif dan inklusif.

Anis kesal kerana sistem pendidikan awam Malaysia tidak secara terbuka menggalakkan pembelajaran agama lain atau pengajian antara agama.

“Mengapa kita tidak mengadakan lawatan pendidikan ke gereja dan rumah ibadat lain, atau menjemput orang bukan Islam ke masjid?” soalnya.

Beliau menyeru umat Islam untuk bersikap terbuka dan menghormati agama lain, sambil menambah bahawa ini penting untuk menggalakkan keharmonian agama.

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...lmnpeqdw0oo634s
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QUOTE(new in IT @ Jun 22 2022, 08:06 AM)
Rezeki jangan Kito tolakan. Orang bagi, Kito terima.

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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Jun 22 2022, 08:12 AM)
Other than rasuah, is discrimination based on Bumi and non Bumi allowed in Islam?
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Don't worry, there will be ways to rationalize it.

Just have to pick between religion card, race card or hak card.
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because they are forced into the religion ... bukan semua Melayu nak menganut Islam tapi terpaksa
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Songlap akan dihalalkan the same way rokok is OK.
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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jun 22 2022, 08:03 AM)
Seorang ahli akademik percaya terdapat percanggahan antara ajaran dan cara umat Islam berkelakuan di Malaysia.

Fellow Utama, Institut Kajian Etnik (KITA), Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia, Anis Yusal Yusoff berkata, masyarakat Islam kelihatan “selektif” terhadap perkara yang dibenarkan dan tidak dibenarkan dalam Islam.
Sad reality. It's entrenched and systemic. There's no real desire from the top to reverse this.

So, it's really up to good standing rakyat to enforce change.

God helps those who help themselves.
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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Jun 22 2022, 08:12 AM)
Other than rasuah, is discrimination based on Bumi and non Bumi allowed in Islam?
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No, based on ethnicity. Yes, based on religion (but extremely limited).

Contoh: Tidak boleh makan daging sembelihan orang kafir (musyrik & majusi). Can still eat kosher.


Rasuah is not permissible, whether it is from muslims or kafirs. Expressively forbidden by The Almighty in Al-Baqarah (Qur'an 2:188)

Funny thing, many saudi wahhabis claim it's permissible (to give) due to darura(t)/exigencies. So the practice is not limited to Malaysia.








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QUOTE(magnor @ Jun 22 2022, 03:57 PM)
because they are forced into the religion ... bukan semua Melayu nak menganut Islam tapi terpaksa
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But rasuah is wrong for everybody, religious or otherwise.
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QUOTE(and85rew @ Jun 22 2022, 07:09 PM)
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Not Darurat but Hadiah. Same thing different perception. Rezeki.

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Yes, can still eat halaal game and livestock from kafirs as long as slaughtering done by muslims along the appropriate ritual manner (dhabihah).
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Yes, can still eat halaal game and livestock from kafirs as long as slaughtering done by muslims along the appropriate ritual manner (dhabihah).
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When religion based on false information of the past, added a layer of unnecessary abstraction or encapsulation, it might turn out to be harsh, brutal or insane in modern perspective. Sometimes there is a need to add yet another layer of abstraction or encapsulation to surmount it, just to add a bit of sanity to the overall.
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jun 23 2022, 08:46 AM)
When religion based on false information of the past, added a layer of unnecessary abstraction or encapsulation, it might turn out to be harsh, brutal or insane in modern perspective. Sometimes there is a need to add yet another layer of abstraction or encapsulation to surmount it, just to add a bit of sanity to the overall.
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It's human nature to complicate simple matters.

...and who is the arbiter on whether past information are false?


Are u an atheist or even worse, a vegan?

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Some info if anyone is open to the truth (and inclined to read).

Science of meat.

Halal Meat And Science





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QUOTE(headache @ Jun 23 2022, 06:33 PM)
It's human nature to complicate simple matters.

...and who is the arbiter on whether past information are false?
Are u an atheist or even worse, a vegan?

:grin:
Some info if anyone is open to the truth (and inclined to read).

Science of meat.

Halal Meat And Science
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The quoted articles, are they proven and established science? wink.gif

Having an article or a few articles written about it said not much.

A lot more people have consumed non-halal food. There is no data established that halal good is "better". Please conduct proper double blinded randomised tests if you want to prove this point.
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QUOTE(headache @ Jun 23 2022, 06:33 PM)
It's human nature to complicate simple matters.

...and who is the arbiter on whether past information are false?
Are u an atheist or even worse, a vegan?

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Some info if anyone is open to the truth (and inclined to read).

Science of meat.

Halal Meat And Science
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complicated indeed.

you assume he is an atheist and a vegan because of his views? and whats wrong with being both? such a judgmental character aren't you?
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QUOTE(headache @ Jun 23 2022, 06:33 PM)
It's human nature to complicate simple matters.

...and who is the arbiter on whether past information are false?
Are u an atheist or even worse, a vegan?

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Some info if anyone is open to the truth (and inclined to read).

Science of meat.

Halal Meat And Science
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Particularly if the matter is related to your belief and identity, which you have invested emotionally with time and resources since you were young. Religion simply put is man made.

For halal better than non-halal, these are just opinions, not science.


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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jun 22 2022, 08:03 AM)
Beliau juga berkata, negara perlu memikirkan semula bentuk Islam yang diamalkan pada masa ini, sambil menambah bahawa terdapat keperluan untuk bentuk agama yang lebih progresif dan inklusif.
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...lmnpeqdw0oo634s
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That means you have to be selective on which part of the religion you choose to implement too smile.gif

That is the nature of religion, cherry picking which part you want and ignore (or interpret away) which that doesn't fit in. Oh if you criticize a lot, you will be reported for bashing religion ...
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1st of all, let me state that the lack of comprehension on display here is quite appalling. Not only young Malaysians can't read between the lines, they simply lack tact (thoughtfulness and finesse).
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you assume he is an atheist and a vegan because of his views? and whats wrong with being both? such a judgmental character aren't you?
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Did u see the question mark at the end of my sentence? Can u discern the difference between a statement and a question? Now, who exactly is being judgemental?

I ask questions so that I can better understand the questioner. I could then frame my answers better, hopefully, conforming to the questioner's world view and bias.
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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Jun 24 2022, 11:26 AM)
Particularly if the matter is related to your belief and identity, which you have invested emotionally with time and resources since you were young. Religion simply put is man made.

For halal better than non-halal, these are just opinions, not science.
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Do u even comprehend my double edged answer cum question, "...and who is the arbiter on whether past information are false?" ???

It's a trap for farceurs, exactly like yourself.

Let me put it in a much cruder way, “Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one but they think each others stink.”

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jun 24 2022, 08:21 AM)
The quoted articles, are they proven and established science? wink.gif

Having an article or a few articles written about it said not much.

A lot more people have consumed non-halal food. There is no data established that halal good is "better". Please conduct proper double blinded randomised tests if you want to prove this point.
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So what exactly are u implying? Is the majority always right (like Malaysians voting BN)?

The 1st source is from Times of India and everyone knows how they are with anything Islamic. I believe they have a better reputation and standing than u do. My opinion, anyway.

2nd is from Japan...let me see how much deeper u guys want to dig yourselves in.

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QUOTE(headache @ Jun 24 2022, 12:27 PM)
Do u even comprehend my double edged answer cum question, "...and who is the arbiter on whether past information are false?" ???

It's a trap for farceurs, exactly like yourself.

Let me put it in a much cruder way, “Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one but they think each others stink.”

wink3.gif
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So you agree that halal is better than non-halal is just like arseholes?
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QUOTE(headache @ Jun 24 2022, 12:27 PM)
Do u even comprehend my double edged answer cum question, "...and who is the arbiter on whether past information are false?" ???

It's a trap for farceurs, exactly like yourself.

Let me put it in a much cruder way, “Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one but they think each others stink.”

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that would be your stinky opinion. biggrin.gif

also, is it your opinion that all vegans and atheists are bad people?

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QUOTE(headache @ Jun 24 2022, 12:23 PM)
1st of all, let me state that the lack of comprehension on display here is quite appalling. Not only young Malaysians can't read between the lines, they simply lack tact (thoughtfulness and finesse).
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2nd of all, your opinion stinks like an arsehole.
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QUOTE(LazadaGot @ Jun 22 2022, 08:40 AM)
im curious actually, why pipit no tudung will kena kecam, but helang like rosmah no need wear tudung and people no kecam?
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QUOTE(headache @ Jun 23 2022, 06:33 PM)
It's human nature to complicate simple matters.

...and who is the arbiter on whether past information are false?
Are u an atheist or even worse, a vegan?

:grin:
Some info if anyone is open to the truth (and inclined to read).

Science of meat.

Halal Meat And Science
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Slaughtering through stunning is a new method to make the process more efficient and also seems more humane. Doesn't mean halal invented the non-stunning method. Non-stunning method was adopted by all regardless of religion before the introduction of stunning. So please stop giving credit to halal when it doesn't earn it. and please show me halal meat is better than non halal meat, scientifically. You haven't demonstrated that.
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QUOTE(seraph00 @ Jun 24 2022, 11:24 AM)
complicated indeed.

you assume he is an atheist and a vegan because of his views? and whats wrong with being both? such a judgmental character aren't you?
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The real truth is the religion is not simple at all. It's unclear, incomplete and nonsensical such that their followers have to make things up to so that it makes sense in modern terms. In their terminology it is called Bid'ah but they willingly close one eye and call it tafsir instead to make it halal. Hilarious.
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QUOTE(red streak @ Jun 25 2022, 11:23 AM)
The real truth is the religion is not simple at all. It's unclear, incomplete and nonsensical such that their followers have to make things up to so that it makes sense in modern terms. In their terminology it is called Bid'ah but they willingly close one eye and call it tafsir instead to make it halal. Hilarious.
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Religion claims to follow scriptures. But the details are seldom spelled out in scriptures. So religion is objective, unless it is unclear, then by all means be subjective.
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post Jun 26 2022, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(ramz @ Jun 26 2022, 09:54 AM)
I'm responding to your 2 bullshit links. It shows you have no idea what the article says
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Coming from someone like u, I'll take that as a compliment. rolleyes.gif


1. What's the subject of this thread again?
2. What religion do you profess?




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ramz
post Jun 26 2022, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(headache @ Jun 26 2022, 03:25 PM)
Coming from someone like u, I'll take that as a compliment.  rolleyes.gif
1. What's the subject of this thread again?
2. What religion do you profess?
“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”  ― Mark Twain
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You the one who started it by posting the 2 links about.halal meat. And when we challenge u, u change the subject.

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post Jun 26 2022, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(ramz @ Jun 26 2022, 06:07 PM)
You the one who started it by posting the 2 links about.halal meat. And when we challenge u, u change the subject.
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Not my problem if u have comprehension issue and for being an islamophobic.

I was answering someone else on a different subject by giving examples.



What is your religion again? Why won't u let us know this first?

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post Jun 27 2022, 05:46 AM

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QUOTE(headache @ Jun 26 2022, 06:52 PM)
Not my problem if u have comprehension issue and for being an islamophobic.

I was answering someone else on a different subject by giving examples.
What is your religion again? Why won't u let us know this first?
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when u bring up things that u think are "facts", please be ready to be challenged.

My challenge to you from your 2 links is to produce scientific evidence halal meat is better than non halal meat. You have not demonstrated that. Instead u bring up unrelated points.

 

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