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post Jun 22 2022, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(Noryume @ Jun 22 2022, 06:02 PM)
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Yes, can still eat halaal game and livestock from kafirs as long as slaughtering done by muslims along the appropriate ritual manner (dhabihah).
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post Jun 23 2022, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(headache @ Jun 22 2022, 11:58 PM)
Yes, can still eat halaal game and livestock from kafirs as long as slaughtering done by muslims along the appropriate ritual manner (dhabihah).
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When religion based on false information of the past, added a layer of unnecessary abstraction or encapsulation, it might turn out to be harsh, brutal or insane in modern perspective. Sometimes there is a need to add yet another layer of abstraction or encapsulation to surmount it, just to add a bit of sanity to the overall.
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post Jun 23 2022, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jun 23 2022, 08:46 AM)
When religion based on false information of the past, added a layer of unnecessary abstraction or encapsulation, it might turn out to be harsh, brutal or insane in modern perspective. Sometimes there is a need to add yet another layer of abstraction or encapsulation to surmount it, just to add a bit of sanity to the overall.
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It's human nature to complicate simple matters.

...and who is the arbiter on whether past information are false?


Are u an atheist or even worse, a vegan?

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Some info if anyone is open to the truth (and inclined to read).

Science of meat.

Halal Meat And Science





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post Jun 24 2022, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(headache @ Jun 23 2022, 06:33 PM)
It's human nature to complicate simple matters.

...and who is the arbiter on whether past information are false?
Are u an atheist or even worse, a vegan?

:grin:
Some info if anyone is open to the truth (and inclined to read).

Science of meat.

Halal Meat And Science
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The quoted articles, are they proven and established science? wink.gif

Having an article or a few articles written about it said not much.

A lot more people have consumed non-halal food. There is no data established that halal good is "better". Please conduct proper double blinded randomised tests if you want to prove this point.
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post Jun 24 2022, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(headache @ Jun 23 2022, 06:33 PM)
It's human nature to complicate simple matters.

...and who is the arbiter on whether past information are false?
Are u an atheist or even worse, a vegan?

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Some info if anyone is open to the truth (and inclined to read).

Science of meat.

Halal Meat And Science
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complicated indeed.

you assume he is an atheist and a vegan because of his views? and whats wrong with being both? such a judgmental character aren't you?
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post Jun 24 2022, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(headache @ Jun 23 2022, 06:33 PM)
It's human nature to complicate simple matters.

...and who is the arbiter on whether past information are false?
Are u an atheist or even worse, a vegan?

grin.gif
Some info if anyone is open to the truth (and inclined to read).

Science of meat.

Halal Meat And Science
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Particularly if the matter is related to your belief and identity, which you have invested emotionally with time and resources since you were young. Religion simply put is man made.

For halal better than non-halal, these are just opinions, not science.


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post Jun 24 2022, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jun 22 2022, 08:03 AM)
Beliau juga berkata, negara perlu memikirkan semula bentuk Islam yang diamalkan pada masa ini, sambil menambah bahawa terdapat keperluan untuk bentuk agama yang lebih progresif dan inklusif.
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...lmnpeqdw0oo634s
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That means you have to be selective on which part of the religion you choose to implement too smile.gif

That is the nature of religion, cherry picking which part you want and ignore (or interpret away) which that doesn't fit in. Oh if you criticize a lot, you will be reported for bashing religion ...
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post Jun 24 2022, 12:23 PM

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1st of all, let me state that the lack of comprehension on display here is quite appalling. Not only young Malaysians can't read between the lines, they simply lack tact (thoughtfulness and finesse).
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post Jun 24 2022, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(seraph00 @ Jun 24 2022, 11:24 AM)
you assume he is an atheist and a vegan because of his views? and whats wrong with being both? such a judgmental character aren't you?
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Did u see the question mark at the end of my sentence? Can u discern the difference between a statement and a question? Now, who exactly is being judgemental?

I ask questions so that I can better understand the questioner. I could then frame my answers better, hopefully, conforming to the questioner's world view and bias.
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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Jun 24 2022, 11:26 AM)
Particularly if the matter is related to your belief and identity, which you have invested emotionally with time and resources since you were young. Religion simply put is man made.

For halal better than non-halal, these are just opinions, not science.
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Do u even comprehend my double edged answer cum question, "...and who is the arbiter on whether past information are false?" ???

It's a trap for farceurs, exactly like yourself.

Let me put it in a much cruder way, “Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one but they think each others stink.”

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post Jun 24 2022, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jun 24 2022, 08:21 AM)
The quoted articles, are they proven and established science? wink.gif

Having an article or a few articles written about it said not much.

A lot more people have consumed non-halal food. There is no data established that halal good is "better". Please conduct proper double blinded randomised tests if you want to prove this point.
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So what exactly are u implying? Is the majority always right (like Malaysians voting BN)?

The 1st source is from Times of India and everyone knows how they are with anything Islamic. I believe they have a better reputation and standing than u do. My opinion, anyway.

2nd is from Japan...let me see how much deeper u guys want to dig yourselves in.

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QUOTE(headache @ Jun 24 2022, 12:27 PM)
Do u even comprehend my double edged answer cum question, "...and who is the arbiter on whether past information are false?" ???

It's a trap for farceurs, exactly like yourself.

Let me put it in a much cruder way, “Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one but they think each others stink.”

wink3.gif
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So you agree that halal is better than non-halal is just like arseholes?
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post Jun 24 2022, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(headache @ Jun 24 2022, 12:27 PM)
Do u even comprehend my double edged answer cum question, "...and who is the arbiter on whether past information are false?" ???

It's a trap for farceurs, exactly like yourself.

Let me put it in a much cruder way, “Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one but they think each others stink.”

wink3.gif
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that would be your stinky opinion. biggrin.gif

also, is it your opinion that all vegans and atheists are bad people?

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post Jun 24 2022, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(headache @ Jun 24 2022, 12:23 PM)
1st of all, let me state that the lack of comprehension on display here is quite appalling. Not only young Malaysians can't read between the lines, they simply lack tact (thoughtfulness and finesse).
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2nd of all, your opinion stinks like an arsehole.
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post Jun 24 2022, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(LazadaGot @ Jun 22 2022, 08:40 AM)
im curious actually, why pipit no tudung will kena kecam, but helang like rosmah no need wear tudung and people no kecam?
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jangan tanya soalan susah boleh tak?

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post Jun 25 2022, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(headache @ Jun 23 2022, 06:33 PM)
It's human nature to complicate simple matters.

...and who is the arbiter on whether past information are false?
Are u an atheist or even worse, a vegan?

:grin:
Some info if anyone is open to the truth (and inclined to read).

Science of meat.

Halal Meat And Science
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Slaughtering through stunning is a new method to make the process more efficient and also seems more humane. Doesn't mean halal invented the non-stunning method. Non-stunning method was adopted by all regardless of religion before the introduction of stunning. So please stop giving credit to halal when it doesn't earn it. and please show me halal meat is better than non halal meat, scientifically. You haven't demonstrated that.
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QUOTE(seraph00 @ Jun 24 2022, 11:24 AM)
complicated indeed.

you assume he is an atheist and a vegan because of his views? and whats wrong with being both? such a judgmental character aren't you?
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The real truth is the religion is not simple at all. It's unclear, incomplete and nonsensical such that their followers have to make things up to so that it makes sense in modern terms. In their terminology it is called Bid'ah but they willingly close one eye and call it tafsir instead to make it halal. Hilarious.
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post Jun 25 2022, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(red streak @ Jun 25 2022, 11:23 AM)
The real truth is the religion is not simple at all. It's unclear, incomplete and nonsensical such that their followers have to make things up to so that it makes sense in modern terms. In their terminology it is called Bid'ah but they willingly close one eye and call it tafsir instead to make it halal. Hilarious.
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Religion claims to follow scriptures. But the details are seldom spelled out in scriptures. So religion is objective, unless it is unclear, then by all means be subjective.
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post Jun 26 2022, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(ramz @ Jun 26 2022, 09:54 AM)
I'm responding to your 2 bullshit links. It shows you have no idea what the article says
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Coming from someone like u, I'll take that as a compliment. rolleyes.gif


1. What's the subject of this thread again?
2. What religion do you profess?




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post Jun 26 2022, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(headache @ Jun 26 2022, 03:25 PM)
Coming from someone like u, I'll take that as a compliment.  rolleyes.gif
1. What's the subject of this thread again?
2. What religion do you profess?
“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”  ― Mark Twain
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You the one who started it by posting the 2 links about.halal meat. And when we challenge u, u change the subject.

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