dudes
if there's already a thread to this, u guys can remove this thread
but if not, enjoy

2900pro review - TweakTown

or try this at a polish site Pclab reviews

but search for a Polish to English translator online cuz Altavista and Google don't do Polish.

I think this is more worth it than the GTS320. Even when they're priced the same (Pro is cheaper though)

When future games come (See GRAW2 and Oblivion + the gorgeous 2GB Qarl's Texture pack) 320 will be struggling with texture settings while this 512 is the new baseline. 320 might be faster now in some places, but then, it'll be kinda moot.

Just my 2 cents BTW.

the radeon x2900pro series is manufactured in limited numbers though
cuz by november 2950 series coming out

but hey, 2900pro can play dx 10.1
ahaha

just read in vr-zone if not mistaken, new hd2950pro will release in November... if true, the hd2900pro and hd2900gt really hv short life... btw amd just produce small number of hd2900pro and gt

still it's a monster which desire for more power... maybe same power consumption as HD2900XT

yeah
since they are downclocked XT's or the XT's which failed the tests and rebatched...but still good food though
haha


i dunno why but since the x19xx series, ati card always makan banyak

if im not mistaken, the power consumption just 150w, i read in HIS website...

Just??? 150W leh.. banyak tu.

I'm keeping my money (boycott cute lil seal killer) until hybrid SLI arrives.

if the price of this card is gonna be sub RM 1000. then nvidia is going to have a hard time. when will it reach malaysia?

again...
the hd2900xt is having a hard time against the gts
and u expect this to beat it??

come on guys...

first the excuse was the xt was to compete with the gts
and if this fails.. is it suppose to compete with the 8600gts??

kekek

will be in the wait and see position

have you actually LOOKED at the benchmarks? there seems to be a consensus amongst the reviewers: this card rocks! best bang for the buck out there right now. the fact that it is such a great overclocker is def an added bonus. dont get why so many ppl hatin' on ATI for not having the "best" card out there...i mean seriously...the fact that it is cheaper than the GTS and outperforms it in almost every category should speak for itself no?

some people just like to condemn.. instead of trying it.. i used 8800gtx, than 320mb gts, then 512mb 2900xt, n currently 1gig 2900xt..

i dun think 2900xt is having hard time against gts..

and based on the review, it looks promising..

ya. 2900pro is at good c/p card but it life is just too short. anyway singapore ban leong have power color 2900pro 512mb pre-order at $429. still thinking wan to grap one or not?

i dont get the whole life too short thing sailen....u mean it wont b around for very long? grab it while u can then!!

limited stock and 2950xx is coming out november. so this one is eol in november i think.

Looking at the benchmarks and all,this card does seem to do quite well.But if you said 2950's were to come out by november,this card will have such a short life.Don't you think ppl will rather wait?BTW,the price is really something for this card.

This post has been edited by Nemesis181188: Sep 29 2007, 10:20 AM

It's a nice card...overall performance i think it will be a better buy then 8800gts. however, since you guy said that 2950 will be coming..i wonder how many ppl will buy this card?

there still will be for people that desperate for a nice mid range ATI cards..

of course the number would be small but there would be .. else why would AMD released such card without knowing there's response from market..

or probably this card is really mere down clocked 2900XT .. they try to clear the factory and earn a bit more than none...

besides even with the release of 2950Pro .. what would be the estimated price tag .. there's still remains a question that yet to unveil ...

so unless there's further press release or info released for 2950Pro..

this card still a better replacement for those that have budget around RM900 to RM1000....

This post has been edited by Doom: Sep 29 2007, 02:05 PM

hmm interesting but i will still wait for 2900XT drop price

Firstly, a review cant separate these cards ... im not against u or anything.. but imo, ati HD series cards has ou performed almost any 8800 series card at 3d mark 06. and 05 as well iirc... but in real world gaming, teh nvidia cards outperform the ati cards.. it has something to do with the shader clocks or something like that... , adn also iirc in VISTA teh ati cards seem to be beter.. so if ur a hardcore bencher then u should og and get teh hd2900 series... if u are a high end gamer then go for the 8800gtx , but if ur a midrange gamer, with a 22" screen trust me u wont see any difference between the cards... diff of fps might be there.. but the minimum fps is so high thats its in the 40+ regions in new games... u wont see lag at all...

bro a HD2900Xt vs a 8800gtx in 3d mark 06 , stock clocks, and using a 3.2 quad , the average score is 8800gtx 11k + , HD2900XT 12k~13k + .

ur gts rev 3 can outperform them yes.. but it needs to be clocked.. , if i go and get a 2900pro, yes u can beat it with ur gts, but thats already the limits of ur gts, while i can still clock the 2900pro...adn in certain games do u mean nvidia optimized games? at wat resolution ?

bro im not challenging ur views.. neither do i say ur wrong.. but u didnt elaborate ur views enough ...

peace

the 2900pro is actually gpus/pcbs etc that couldnt reach the 2900xt clocks... hences its being sold with a lower clock etc... so again y do u expect it to beat the hd2900xt...

the 2950xt i will be in a wait and see position

as u said,
so why cant teh pro beat the xt ? its highly possible. manufactureres bin their chips after tests at a certain temperature, and length of time then only they deem it safe of passed... when a consumer uses it he can clock it to xt speed iwht the right cooling or even the stock cooler if hes lucky,,,,

bro not challenging u or anything, but i mentioned that in real world games the atis dont perform well.. and afaik the 2900xts are out performing the nvidia cards in 3dmark06.. current world record stands with the 2900xt

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Added on September 29, 2007, 2:36 pmbro i already mentioned that im not saying ur wrong. im stating my opinions..and im stating my viewws has nothing to do with team koc... so leave team koc out of this... u sound as though u got something agasint team koc

This post has been edited by lolhalol: Sep 29 2007, 02:37 PM

The Pro they got clocked to XT speeds.

Most likely a lot can go a bit more from the Pro stock clocks, beating the 8800GTS.

When I get a HR-03 R600 I'd be doing a review too.

from the reviews I've seen, the HD2900XT actually does well, coming close to 8800 GTX and even ULTRA at times.

its true friend..but thats only on volt modded high OCEd cards with extreme cooling

dont take 3dmark05 as its a one sided benchies...

on stock cooling... overclock... it doesnt beat the gtx/ultra when both are clocked to the max.

ok to prove it.. those who back up ati cards..
do this on xp/vista up to u which ever is higher..

benchmark 3dmark06 + the feature test.
when its done show the cpuz of 3ghz ram at 667 2gb,
and ati tools artifact scanning for atleast one hour.
riva tuner monitor for clocks/mem and gpu core temps...

This post has been edited by cstkl1: Sep 29 2007, 02:41 PM

in general they lose out... coming close also lose, quote from the fast and furious, doesnt matter if u win by an inch or a mile, winnings wining.
but nost games these days give a slight avantage to nvdia or maybe its the nvidias archetecture... no idea tehre... and bro this is nto a rant towards u.. yeah... i mean no offence at all..

leh, no worries. i'm just curious, based on what i read and what you said.

another point of comparison would be price : performance ratio.

correto mundo.. so we already know the gts wins against the xt on price performance ratio unless u want to bicker with this then post ure scores for the feature test with a fair cpu/ram comparison.. so it doesnt influence the results too much.

the arguement here is the pro vs the gts.

im talking bout 3dmark 06 .. adn yeah ill leave it at that... maybe spend so long staring at oced benchies.. i messed up my stock lcocks witht eh oced clocks..lolz...

cheers
reggie

thats the way.. see finally some sense..somebody that will prove it.

erm erm~~ question ?
1) this 2900PRO version come out after 2900XT?
2) what would be the price for 2900PRO?
3) Is it really official annouced that 2950xt will release on november?
4) If.. november release 2950xt, how bout the release of the 2900XTX?

SORRY me Abit noob noob but want to know things

well i mentioned atis performe less ( i didnt mention by how much) well in real world... well if ur talking bout performanc : price ratio then im in a limbo...

VODOO ftw


yeah ..well we wont knw untill the reatial samples re arriveing .. hus got one.. pls bench adn post screenies pls

yup actually u all should be talking about the hd2950pro.. thats the thing thats got me excited..
not some cheap lame tactic to get rid of their stocks hd2900pro

bro its not that i dont want to prove it.. i just don have to resources to get the card or teh time to bench at the moment.. i wont be free untill end of january.. blardy skoo life sucks.. lolz.. but ill do keep up with reviews so when i return back into benching .. i wont be lost and dont go woah , we got octa core di ? lolz

btw i use a tnt riva 64 whne benching.. lolz... TNT for the win.. aslo have a radeon 9550 pci based.. and an ati rage max pulled form a apple g3

This post has been edited by lolhalol: Sep 29 2007, 02:50 PM

kekek so far the HR03 on the GTs is nothing short but amazing.. idle at 49/ load around 56 on OCED overclock.. running ati tools artifact scan already 11 hours 23 minutes... no aircon. heck no room fan also.. and all this is in my casing..

Just asking,when will it be on sale in malaysia?early november?

nah by end of the month or early next month.. thats what my supplier said..

end of november /early december expecting the 2950 pro

wah lolhalol and ctskl on a verge there...
anyways, i never really stand on 3dmarks bench
cuz its always been the fact that the graphics cards makers (ati and nvidia) they pay futuremark to up the ante for their cards in this test and that test
this was reported i think a year or two ago

the same goes for games
like fear, it likes nvidia more
the same goes for oblivion
and as for half life 2, it likes ati

better bench on quake 4, far cry, lost planet (the best)
try ur cards on lost planet
that'll be the in thing

btw, 2950 pro is coming either november or the latest early december
tapi it still wont be that cheap
but price aint what we are concerned if the performance is really on par with its publications...what more with the DX10.1 and all
haha

Yay Lost Planet, an nVidia whored out title is THE benchmark for DX10! (Unbelievable)

Oblivion likes the new ATI because of shader power BTW.

As for DX10/Driver improvements on the HD2XXX, I think this post will explain it the most:
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost.php?p...13&postcount=61

This card is for people like me who are tight in budget

adding hundreds juz to get 2000pt in 3Dmark06 doesn't seem to interest me somehow...

if i upgrade i'd go for something tat gives me double or more than my current 3dmark06 score... like my 7600GS did 2k+ and my 2600XT did 6k+...

well like i said 3dmark doesnt mean a thing cuz its synthetic tests

real world shows

I wanna get one unit.
HIS or Sapphire better?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList....ription=2900pro

i think HIS is better

Does it even matter.They look the same to me.I'm not sure about their warranty period though.I only know that sapphire offers up to 2 yrs only.

HIS is one year (insult to the injury? )

definitely sapphire

i preciously did post 4 or 5 question hehehe but no ppl reply~~ if can pls look back one page infront give me some info k~ heheheee

i really wanna know what is 2900xt and 2900pro and 2900xtx difference

there is not xtx..

but if ure refering to teh 1gb vs 512mb well.. the difference depends on reso ure gaming at to take advantage of that 1gb.. other than that nothing really

and the pro.. unknown... but definately not worth it... just wait for the 2950

i haven't read up on 2950. what would be the difference between 2900 and 2950?

walao, i cannot always change pc hardware... sure will get scold, btw my x300 is already tired of being force to work heavily ...maybe should consider a new card.

Personally I ll go for sapphire too

some info bout what i know bout 2950:
55nm
dx10.1 backward complaint
got 2 version ddr3(single slot cooler) & ddr4(dual slot cooler)
256bit
320 stream proc
expected late Decembers early January
price range usd229-299

read from web site, so maybe true maybe not...

walao your parts r all high class except the GC itself well i m sure waiting 4 another longer period would b more worth it coz 2950pro/xt is coming up along with gf 9800gts/gtx n 2900/8800 will surely drop priced

This post has been edited by skylinegtr34rule4life: Sep 30 2007, 12:27 PM

technology got better everyday

sure technology got improve everyday and old technology price drop. but i sure when DX11 come out the price for 2950xx or 9900xx will drop like hell. u wan to wait until that time?

this is HD 2900pro from PowerColor

Wow, DDR3 single slot cooler...suits me. can fit into my tiny casing.

Correction, HIS is 18 months, thats 1 and 1/2 years.

Is it every HIS product has 18 months warranty?

good, technology is getting cheaper at the rate faster than ever before
with the release of this, 1950pro will be soon phased out

i think 1950pro already phased out bcoz can find any 1950pro when i bought 1950GT

Yes, all HIS is suppose to have 18months local warranty.



dattebayo: actually as salim said, all x1950pro are phased out. I can still get more x1950pro into malaysia, but it'll require an insane MOQ of 30 units. So, I guess we'll just need to go ahead with 2600XT GDDR4 and above.

well..
as what i know HIS doesnt produce card above mid high level
their 2900XT (512 or 1GB) wasnt being produce by them selves.
so i do bet they take from Sapphire or Diamond 3D

in term of pricing, i wouold say sapphire is better

But, local disti for HIS GCs are always good.

you could take this as consideration

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Added on October 1, 2007, 10:48 ambut.. in real time gaming (DX9 based)
HD2600 is no way to compete with any of the 1950pro leh...


This post has been edited by storm88: Oct 1 2007, 10:48 AM

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Added on October 1, 2007, 10:48 am
but.. in real time gaming (DX9 based)
HD2600 is no way to compete with any of the 1950pro leh...

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I totally agree. During gaming, the x1950pro which was a high-end card kills all the competition from the 2600XT-series.

Just as the 7900GS and 8600GT, both shared similar benchmark score, but the 7900GS has a smooth graphic production during gameplay compared with the 8600GT.

allopz...wanna ask about the difference in performance between radeon 2900pro and 8800gts. which one have a higher performance?

From what I'm reading I think that the 2900pros are just 2900xts that didn't pass full testing (Like how triple core will be quads with one failed core), so they're VERY limited edition and will be very hard to find here if at all....

bro, what type of psu that u used while running this GC?

at least 500w true power?

at least 450w

any idea on how much will the price be for this 2900Pro?
cheaper than 8800 GTS, does it mean the 640 MB or 320 MB version?

250USD MSRP, currently due to *crazy* demand even Newegg is selling it at 279USD. Even then it's a great deal with the RAM.

If stocks are a bit more it'd go down back to 250USD and in Malaysia, even more (2900XT is only RM1200 here!)

IMO , sapphire and HIS , which one cheaper get that one ! almost same ..

one question , how much minimum required PSU WATT ?

This post has been edited by likito: Oct 1 2007, 06:03 PM

Sapphire, Cooler Master iGreen 500W (ONLY iGreen) and/or Silverstone Strider 500/560 can do.

PowerColor oso produce good card, most of they've good coolers too..

This post has been edited by zeustronic: Oct 1 2007, 11:18 PM

2900s are all built by ATI, so that logic doesn't apply.

320mb one la of cos

yes 8800gts 320mb can get at cheaper price now..

Ya, PowerColor prodce good graphic card. Nice brand

i'm really in a dilemma rite now..should i buy 8800 gts 320 or wait for 2900 pro or wait for 2950 pro? i'm really in a tight budget..if 2900 pro or 2950 pro is within the price range of 8800 gts 320 then i will consider it..

Any shop in lowyat selling this already?

Hopefully they will be shops selling this.

not yet jual la
rileks
tunggu je
after raya or maybe end of oct, 2900pro will come out
few weeks later 2950 pulak

8800gts 320 is rm900 in bulk...

its cheap!

Cheap, but VRAM requirements for DX10 starts at 512MB for decent performance.

Call of Juarez DX10 on GTS 320MB is bad because there's just not enough of it. GRAW2 can't use high textures, Oblivion can't use QTP3, etc etc etc. It'll get worse in the future too, so better get something wit a little more RAM.

It might be the best DX9 card you can have, but for that we have the RM450 (RM320 in CHINAAA ) X1950Pro/GT and that's enough for most DX9 stuff.

This post has been edited by X.E.D: Oct 2 2007, 07:58 PM

dudes
relax
everyone's a fanboy when it comes to nvidia vs ati thing
haha

anyways, u guys can read this
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/01/the...oney/page6.html

they say that the 2900pro is so much bettter than 8800gts 320mb...
and its time to say that ati/amd is doing really well
what more with super stable ati drivers (except that they are power hungry but thats not what matters as long as u can play super games at super reso)
the 2900pro can and will compete with 8800gts 640mb and not the 320mb
read up everywhere
8800gts has the upper hand in synthetic benchies but real world still, it beats the 320mb at fsaa and aniso16x

if clocked well, i'd say that it cud go against the 8800gtx cuz the 2900xt relatively cud gain a foothold in 8800gtx realm and 2900pro can be clocked as high as 2900xt
hahahahaha

im not a fanboy and i dont intend to get any of those cards above
but i just love to see healthy competition
what more the 2900pro being scrap cards to begin with

oh yeah
u guys might also consider the x1650GT over the entry level 2600XT
this is out of topic but i've seen x1650gt went head to head with 1950pro
and it almost catches up...dah la DX10 and SM4.0 beb
even the 7600gt cud be ashamed

yeah...so for those who are into 128bit, go get the 1650gt
and stop yakking about the 8600/2600 crap...i will always say that the 8600/2600 = 7300LE or might even be the radeon X300SE

i won't see my 8600gt is crap..

u compare with old revision/batch/price.. how about 8800gts with 112 sp..
or maybe some tweaked 8800gt.. which same like current gts spec.. and maybe priced lower?

for me just take which value for money currently and better in performance.. but too early to judge them now..

It all boils down to affordability.

If u got money to spend, u got lots of choices to choose. U can either take ur time and compare, or just buy any of it, try it, sell off, buy another and try it, then only decide which is better after u have tested it.

Irenic: So, in ur opinion, for gaming, which is better. I know for picture quality, Nvidia might not come close to the ATI, correct me if i'm wrong. Still learning from u guys here. My main concern is for gaming, framerates and mayb picture quality as last priority. I want smooth movements during games like Lost Planets, GRAW, CoH, etc.

For those on a limited budget, look for something within the budget, and worthy too. U have to compromise either pic quality or smooth framerates during gaming time.

well
for framerates, the 2600 and the 8600 can handle them quite ok with aa, aniso and vsync off
but then again, rugi la the devs buat game tu kan if u only want to play it fast
i still remembered my friend won doom3 on ti4600
it was laggy and shitty and can run only at 800x600 with all settings off
to me rugi cuz u dont get the game

thats why gamers they chalk a lot of money for rams and gpu
cpu comes next and then mobo
haha

so 2900pro reigns supreme later on similarly with 2900gt
but i heard that nvidia's coming out with 8700 or sumting like that to give assurance before the nv90 cards come out
or maybe they slash the 8800gts 320mb to usd150-180
i dunno

whatever it is, for framerates, on those 128bit cards, get 8600 cuz at least they can survive on 2xaa and 2-4x aniso
2600XT ddr4 cant do that
they'll go from 30fps to 12fps when fsaa and aniso turned on

so u decide
haha

whoa cstkl...what's with the hatin bro? no need to be dissing on others just like that...everyone (like urself) is entitled to their opinion. some of us have personal experience with these cards and their problems, some dont. some of us could care less what the cooler of the card looks like compared to how it performs, some really care how it looks.

personally, i want both green and the red monsters to come out with good cards. more choice for us consumers right? i think ppl should stop viewing these cards on a "omg! this one gets 120fps compared to the other one getting 100fps...its a better card must buy!" basis.... sheesh...i cant even tell whats the diff between anything over 30 to be honest. same goes for those fake synthetic benchmarks (e-penis) scores. what about HOW MUCH YOUR PAYING for it??

we must take into account many other factors like the price/performace ratio (to me this is #1). Am i getting what i am paying for? as an example the 2900pro will most likely cost less than the 8800GTS. yet, it provides competitive scores, very playable framerates for a cheaper price., not to mention more ram to play @ higher resolutions. it also has 512bit compared to the 2950 which will only have 256bit despite the dx10.1 some ppl (like myself) would actually pick the 2900pro and clock it to XT speeds.

At the same time, ATI cards got some issues with consuming more power, and apparently producing more heat. This compared to the nvidia driver problems (trust me i keep hearing about them). so like i said, its up to the individuals to make rational decisions. we dont need fanboi/ anti nv or ati hatin comments, they dont help anyone! just my 2cents bro

juz wait for the new 8800gt 512..

[quote=cstkl1,Oct 4 2007, 12:35 PM]


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tsk tsk tsk..
never learn...
again will be on a wait and see position

overall those who buy the 2900pro are pure suckers...

wait for the RV670..sishh.

really dumb to buy this card .. when the RV670 around the corner..

and hello 320mb wins on synthetics benchmarks to the hd2900xt???? .. are u on drugs??

hd2900xt.. when it came out full of enthusiasm
then excuse.
driver problem
leakage etc
and till today driver driver driver...

nvidia camp... ppl are enjoying their cards...
go check the nvidia forum.. do u here anybody complaining about crashes etc..
and now a product that came like 1 year later wants to compete a 320mb that is going to be phased out..
and the worst part look at the ati cards..
saving so much in cost that the cooler looks like a piece of crap (other than asus who made it look better)
and HIS/GECUBE/SAPHIRE box is like a freaking cardbox... sishh yup never winter nights 2 on saphire cool.. my foot

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yup yup
no need fanboyism here
ur a long timer here ctskl
u shud know better
pelik la...cant we all just stand in the middle in this forum?

we've seen reviews and this and that
if u think something is wrong somewhere, maybe u cud test the 2900pro first and make benchies later on
to me i dont really care what card's better now
im not getting them
its just fun to see all this coming up
why take it with all this heat? why call other people noobs and losers?
everything's about flaming this and bashing that...

now no offence dude but honestly, not many of us had the liberty to test this and that card of which u have tried
seriously

anyways, i'd still say 2900pro is a good card not because i love ati or that nvidia sucks all this while for not giving ati the chance to make a run for its money
its judicial notice...
period
yeah, in most reviews we've seen it losing to synthetic bench, and win in some, but do i care?
in real gaming, they already did the benchmarks and its proven good
what else can we conclude?
that they were paid by ATI?
yeah...if yes so what
and if the card is bad, so be it
our opinions does not mean anything to them manufacturers in any way
at least, the 128bit players can have a second opinion on whether to get 320mb, 640mb or the 2900pro based on what they read cuz its impossible to try all b4 deciding

This post has been edited by gtoforce: Oct 4 2007, 02:50 PM