Hi coding sifu/master, I've been thinking about switching my career into programming. I've been taking online courses by myselves for around 2 months. I saw a pattern of youtubers developer said in their video that the [/I]web development[I] field is getting saturated. Is it true ? Is there hope for anyone who wants to switch career to programming ?

Btw, I am 29 years old and have been learning javascript, html and css by myselves for around 2 months now. I want to break into programming field by becoming front end developer first. Thank you sifu/master, please advice.

This post has been edited by Dominion101: Jun 2 2022, 11:13 PM

It is not saturated. There are so many opportunities if you take a look at JobStreet and LinkedIn.

Since you are targeting to work as a front end developer and have learn javascript by yourself, why not add in React JS to your skillset. Then build your self a web that uses the language that you have learn. Have a walkthrough demo it during your interviews, since you do not have prior experience in software development.

It is getting saturated, but with people who just wants to be in the field for the sake of getting jobs only.

Skilled programmers are hard to get tho.

As for front end, JavaScript is a good start, with intermediate JS and html skills you can switch to react easily which performs way better than old school js.

You may also try out aspx. Knowing both front end and backend helps in your growth as a developer.

Many years ago I was in a project collaborating with a design agency, where their web devs doing the web frontend needed to retrieve some data from the backend that I was building.

Their devs mainly does javascript for web, and was totally lost on how to handle API requests, let alone the need to have auth tokens.

At the end, what they managed to copy and paste was something that reads off my API and insert it into the DB, then their web front end read off the DB.

These sort of programmers are oversaturated

Very very true.

Its oversaturated with n00bs

Learn some fundamentals and you'll easily rise above the average

LOL

FE/Mobile learn the basic cukup makan then enough.
spend more time on backend.
true bottleneck is always at the backend which many ppl take it for granted while fire api to populate their front end.
BE is more fun because you have the change to integrate with so many different technology compare to FE/Think client where you have a fucking quad core /8 gb ram to cater you request...yet still complain slowness ???it mean the backend suck.
i have seen some developer who made call to every record they received in the listing to retrieve the flag from the same system.
imagine 1 load making 20 call + 1 call to get the full listing .this is stupid.


developers nowadays tend to neglect the nitty gritty of programming.
it is nothing wrong to copy and paste the code from google but most important thing is do you understand what it does?


This post has been edited by teckyuan: Jun 9 2022, 09:34 PM

Don't be such a Back End elitist. I've seen horrible, horrible backend code as well.

Edit: s/been/seen/g

This post has been edited by angch: Jun 12 2022, 12:16 PM

I have to deal with both horrible frontend and backend code

be a good boss, coach them

New code is not a problem, its refactoring the old code...

try migrating a system that uses a multi dimensional database like PICK

and no, it's not as easy as just dumping everything as a JSON doc in mongodb (actually you can, but you'll end up with much more grief later if you do this)

I have some much older friends who would wanna do what you do, but unable to do so, due to various reasons, but mainly;
1) Age - nearing retirement age
2) Totally never done coding/programming

Anyway, many opportunities that doesn't reside in Malaysia.
You can work remotely... many websites looking for people.

The future is coding, cyber security and such stuff.

I wish I can join in too... work remotely, complete assignments and get paid. Sigh...

Oversaturated with dumb fuck requirements that are unrealistic with shit pay and discrimination.

There're plenty of ads/jobs around but no takers not only because people are not interested, they don't want to be exploited as well.

Employers continue to make unrealistic expectations and then end up complaining no suitable candidates.

I remember an interview Tech in Asia conducted with a startup's non-technical founder (in SG). The founder said the startup's failure was mainly caused by SG having poor talent pool. It has no problem to find expert in tech A2, B1, C4, or D3; but they couldn't find one expert with experience in tech A2+B1+C4+D3. So they need to hire multiple persons instead of one.

I was like... what the!?

I find tech an interesting yet awkward field. I lot of people outside the field has perception that it's easy as makan tofu, at the same time holding very strong confidence towards that misperception. And... it's fairly often to run into key stakeholders or decision makers who are either not from the field or was underperformed engineers.

This post has been edited by Find The Way: Aug 7 2022, 07:44 PM

Please excuse the ignorant. I mean, I wouldn't know this until you have just mentioned it.
You are right, there are many like me who just doesn't know/understand.

Good news is that I'm just an Ikan Bilis, not a decision maker...


Since I'm posting, wondering if anyone can share "How can a seasoned Finance person be certified in Cyber Security"?
No worries, I will find a topic elsewhere to ask this again...

You can also ask in Education Essentials, like a topic of mine similar to yours.

I am also interested in cyber security. I looked at the course outline, we need to study digital forensics, because of cyber crime. The only reason I dislike about cyber security is because I hate to understand how the wicked mind works.

In short, study, and get certified.

Basic study and practical should be the must to get the knowledge and skill set,
To get certified, take some courses and exam.

Cyber Security is a very broad and vague category. You might want to narrow down based on your interest.