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abcn1n
post Sep 19 2023, 04:02 PM

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TOS Congrats. If Malaysian and NOT Singapore PR can still buy T-bill through OCBC?

QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 14 2023, 01:49 PM)
Today's 6M bill auction result:

% of Competitive Applications at Cut-off AllottedApproximately 55%
% of Non-Competitive Applications Allotted100%
Bid-to-Cover Ratio2.03
Cut-off Yield (Price)3.73% p.a. (98.14)
Median Yield (Price)3.58% p.a. (98.215)
Average Yield (Price)3.05% p.a. (98.479)

Source: https://www.mas.gov.sg/bonds-and-bills/auct...date=2023-09-19

OCBC's damn fast!

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Got SMS notification as well!

Discount money also credited liao...

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Next round gonna use OCBC. Time to say bye bye to DBS for T-bill application!
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post Sep 19 2023, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 19 2023, 04:09 PM)
Yes, yes! Open to all nationalities, no need to be PR or Singaporean. All foreigners are welcomed, except those who fall into this list:

https://www.mas.gov.sg/regulation/anti-mone...ncial-sanctions
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thumbup.gif Thanks. Last time I asked OCBC and they said everything can't including Singapore FD. Am certainly looking to buying some Singapore T-bills and bonds but will likely only be able to do it next year
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post Sep 19 2023, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 19 2023, 04:54 PM)
To buy T-bills, SGS or SSB, you need a CDP account plus a bank account with the primary dealers (either DBS, UOB and/or OCBC).

Also take note that we are "tiny" retail investors, so we can't access the secondary market like big institutional investors do. This illiquidity means you must be prepared to hold the T-bills/SGS till maturity. SSBs may be sold back to MAS every month, but will incur a 2 SGD service charge.
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TOS Thanks for your help. Yikes, I don't have a CDP account. Will have to look into how to open one.
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post Sep 19 2023, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 19 2023, 05:02 PM)
You have SG address? A bank statement showing a Singapore address will suffice.

So, the key thing is to open DBS/OCBC/UOB account with SG address. And to do that, you need a proof of SG residential address from your employer/university/school etc.

DBS/OCBC/UOB account with SG address -> guarantee can open SG CDP account.
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TOS My address is Malaysian one. Guess can't open Sg CDP account then. Can't buy t-bonds or t-bills sad.gif
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post Sep 19 2023, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 19 2023, 05:07 PM)
Ok, just a tip: If you have family members in SG, you can use their address and tell your employer/uni/school that you stay at their place during student exchange or short working trip to SG.

Then the company/uni/school will issue a proof of residential address with your family member's SG address.

The biggest downside (as I discover now...) is lost of privacy and lots of letters spamming your relatives' mailbox (especially if you open DBS account laugh.gif).
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TOS Thanks but no such luck. Maybe 1 day, one of those fintech like stashaway may allow us to buy. Just found out that Stashaway allows to buy US ETF bonds.
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post Sep 19 2023, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 19 2023, 05:28 PM)
Oh in this case you need intermediaries like ETF or MMF funds. SGD side a popular choice is Fullerton SGD Cash Fund (which invests in MAS bills instead of T-bills, together with SGD loans to other commercial banks). USD side can consider BIL ETF.

https://www.fullertonfund.com/funds/fullerton-sgd-cash-fund/ (can be purchased at FSM SG, Moneyowl (soon will be part of iFAST Global Markets), POEMS, Dollardex etc.)

https://www.ssga.com/us/en/intermediary/etf...-t-bill-etf-bil (available via major brokers e.g. IBKR, FSM MY/SG, Futu Moomoo, Tiger, Endowus, Stashaway, Syfe Trade, Webull, TD Ameritrade etc.)
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post Oct 24 2023, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Oct 24 2023, 02:09 PM)
Hi. I will advise you not to read in to those funny rules too much...

We all have different risk profiles. How much percentage of your portfolio should be allocated to stocks, bonds, cash etc. is a matter of personal preference (due to various factors such as age, needs, prevalent and expected macroeconomic environments etc.)

Back to SG bonds, you will need a CDP account AND a bank account with DBS/UOB/OCBC to buy SG T-bills/notes/bonds.

Prerequisite for having a CDP account is you need to have an address in SG (can be your family members' address, you don't have to buy an HDB flat here...)

Hope that helps.
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TOS But do you need to be residing in Singapore for that (not talking about PR status)? Am afraid that even if we can get a Sg address but if we are not residing in Singapore, then its illegal.
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post Oct 24 2023, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(ikanbilis @ Oct 24 2023, 06:30 PM)
Foreigners allowed to buy t-bill and ssb.

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QUOTE(TOS @ Oct 24 2023, 06:34 PM)
Initially when you open your CDP account yes, you need to be resident in SG (student/work pass etc.).

Once your CDP account is set up, and DBS/UOB/OCBC account is opened, you can move to anywhere you like and continue to buy SG T-bills. You may change your address to somewhere outside SG also if needed. Nothing illegal.
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post Oct 28 2023, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Oct 28 2023, 09:34 PM)
Yes. It will be from secondary market... But there are charges:
If a retail investor bought one lot of SG T-bill at 1000 SGD principal value, 10 SGD is 1%. Assuming you are buying a 6-month T-bill at 4% yield, you lose half of your returns in fees to iFAST. Your annualized return drops to 2% p.a. only. You are better off parking your money in CIMB SG fake "3.5%" promo and treat it as a liquid saving account, giving you about 2.6-2.7% p.a. 

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Another big issue is your holdings are not under your own name (in your own CDP account). Instead it's held under iFAST's own name (street name account).

iFAST is both a custodian and service provider of your securities. So if it goes bankrupt, you will have to go to Singapore court and show that you have a private agreement with iFAST to claim back your money.

You know lah, the lawyer fees won't be cheap and everything is in SGD...  brows.gif
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Didn't realize that. Thanks for the below quote also

"Processing Fee: 0.1% of nominal value for each buy/sell order, subject to a minimum of SGD10 and GST.
Platform Fee: 0.025% per quarter, calculated on a daily average market value of bonds, subject to GST."

I've been looking at some of the websites teaching on how to open a CDP account. 2 of them didn't mention needing Singapore address (as what you mentioned) or needing to stay in Singapore. Could it be now they change the rules?

Am tempted to try to open CDP account through a Singapore bank by putting my Malaysian address to see whether can pass. But then scared wait the bank kick me out as their customer for thinking I'm trying to cheat sweat.gif


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post Oct 28 2023, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Oct 28 2023, 09:58 PM)
Can you share the 2 website links?

If you really want to try, you can give it a go at this website: https://investors.sgx.com/cdp-account-openi...line-form-intro
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TOS Sorry, didn't save the website and can't remember them already. Could be they just chose not to mention need Singapore address? If anybody reading this and not residing in Singapore and not working/studying there and successfully open CDP account, pls let us know here.

Edit : managed to find 1 of the website/

How To Open A CDP Account?

Opening a CDP account is a fairly simple process. Before you apply for one, ensure that you meet the following eligibility criteria.

You must be 18 years old and above;
You must not be an un-discharged bankrupt; and
You must have a bank account with one of the following banks in Singapore – Citibank, DBS/POSB, HSBC, Maybank, OCBC, Standard Chartered Bank and UOB
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Offline Application

Step 1: Download and complete the CDP application form on the SGX website.

The form can be found on the SGX website. Here’s the link for easy access.

Step 2: Print a photocopy of your Singapore NRIC, Malaysia Identification Card, or Passport.

Investors, both local and foreign, can open a CDP account.

Step 3: Attach one of the three following original documents or e-statements, dated within last 3 month, to your application form.

This can be either your bank statement from any of the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) licensed banks

Or

Your Central Provident Fund (CPF) statement (available on the CPF website)

Or

Your Latest Notice of Assessment for Income tax (available on the IRAS website)

Step 4: Submit the signed application form and supporting documents through one of the following channels

https://dollarsandsense.sg/step-step-guide-...ount-singapore/

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post Oct 28 2023, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Oct 28 2023, 11:10 PM)
I see, indeed it is not stated but the article is simplified, it doesn't cover all the aspects of applications. During the application process, CDP will ask you to submit the following proofs, just follow the CDP's requirement and you will be fine.

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Moneyandsense website is not something you want to read too much into... someone from HWZ mentioned before that the quality of the articles there are not that good. Lots of sponsorships...
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post Oct 29 2023, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Oct 29 2023, 10:03 PM)
But how did you open it back then? Via the online form?

If you use Malaysia address for the online form filling, how did you fill up this part?

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It seems that not necessary to fill in this part? Because they say the below:
"If you wish to receive such posts from the company, please provide a Singapore address."
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post Oct 29 2023, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Oct 29 2023, 10:45 PM)
Hmm... seems reasonable. When I tried to ignore this part, CDP says they need an SG address anyway, so I just fill it up.

But you can try to submit an application without SG address and see what they say.
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If I try and fail then later if get a Singapore address then try again, don't know whether they will entertain. Anyway, I won't do it so soon as need to do some other things first. Have a list of things need to be done which would take quite some time and this is more towards the bottom
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post Oct 31 2023, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jun 1 2022, 07:22 PM)
Not sure if I calculates it correctly....
For a 10yrs holding period.... @2.x%pa....

I would prefer to put in kwsp @abt 5.5%pa...
That is a plus of abt 3%pa.....
I think SGD cannot appreciates at a 3%pa over MYR.
What do you think?
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jun 2 2022, 07:59 AM)
20 years ago SGD was 2.20 to MYR. Now it's 3.20

CAGR of 1.89%.
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Yes, its true. I myself have roughly calculated that SGD appreciation around 2% or slightly lesser per year. In fact, the appreciation has been going down over the years except this round due to the economic, political situation. Most people don't realize this. They just see the last few years where RM decline a lot.

I myself always aware that if take EPF interest of 5.5-6+% versus 2+% for Singapore, after factoring the SGD appreciation, EPF is actually better off. The only thing is if you can earn 4% or more interest in SGD, then only worth it to convert to SGD. But bear in mind when bringing back to Malaysia, in the future, it may be taxed.


QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 3 2022, 12:09 PM)
Good discussions in the above, bros,... For myself,...

1) I put into SSB when I see interest rates are rising, that's when the SSB interest rates will be higher.

2) SSB is a parking facility till interest rates start to turn, and I will liquidate my SSB, to buy REITs, tech stocks and whatever else.

3) Emm,... when I reached my withdrawal age, I MIGHT NOT withdraw everything from EPF to be pumped into SSB. But,.. let's imagine I am able to withdraw my EPF this year, I would have withdrawn half and converted into the SGD at the beginning of this year after I saw MAS did a tightening in end-2021.

4) And finally,... I would buy into Astrea bonds denominated in the SGD and in the USD tho' the risk rating is higher. I would also buy into Astrea bonds when interest rates are rising, like today.

For your infos,... Astrea 7 has been launched and was recently floated in the exchange last week. They are available in the exchange, under the following codes :-

a) V7AB : 4.125% pa denominated in the SGD.
b) V7BB : 6.00% pa, denominated in the USD.


But, be careful,... when interest rates rise further, the bond price (in the secondary mkt) may fall. Then you'll have to hold till maturity if you wish to get back your par values. This is a major risk. Pls read the documents if need to know of other risks.
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Never heard of Astrea bonds before. Guess we ikan bilis not entitled for it as it says funded by private equity

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post Nov 1 2023, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 1 2023, 12:54 PM)
No bro,... Astrea bonds are listed in SGX and stored in CDP,... can be bought in 100-units denomination. Just queue & buy with a normal SGX-linked brokerage acct....
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QUOTE(TOS @ Nov 1 2023, 01:04 PM)
Cut-off yield.
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Crazy. More than 4% yield for 4 weeks and 12 weeks.
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post Nov 1 2023, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 1 2023, 01:31 PM)
Might go higher if MAS tightens the policy band in the January MAS Policy Mtg,.........
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Unlikely they will tighten in January as Fed unlikely to raise rates this Wed.

 

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