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prc Anti-aircraft missiles, Anti-ship missiles, Surface radar, Air radar, Fighter jets range in scs.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-boxed-am...litary-d2833768

Almost all air and sea movement in s&s is monitored by prc

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post Mar 12 2023, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Mar 12 2023, 11:09 AM)
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prc Anti-aircraft missiles, Anti-ship missiles, Surface radar, Air radar, Fighter jets range in scs.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-boxed-am...litary-d2833768

Almost all air and sea movement in s&s is monitored by prc
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Any solution there will need to include a cooperative China.

It is not as if there are unmovable - the agreed to stop broadcasting Commie radio propaganda signals when they were told that it was an impediment to good relations with Asean.

But these concerns territorial possessions - it may take a very long time and even so, marginal gains by any side.

Just do confidence building for now..
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post Mar 12 2023, 12:24 PM

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^ For that to happen, it will require a strong man akin to Deng.

We have one now in Xi.

Create the circumstances and opportunities for settlement.
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post Mar 12 2023, 03:40 PM

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Israeli Rafael Advanced Defense Systems Ltd. announced it has completed development of its Sky Shield family of Electronic Attack Pods for an unknown customer.


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The company tweeted that the system is being trialed on a 4.5 generation aircraft.


https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/02/09/i...sky-shield-pod/



Mai's note/speculation:

There are only a handful of 4.5 gen F15 variants (leaving out F15SA (Saudi Arabia) and F15QA (Qatar) as they use bona fide US/UK systems (and extremely unlikely to rely on Israeli electronics for such missions lest they need to combat Israel herself) and F15IA (for Israel and based on the F15EX and not yet constructed) and it would be a known local customer...left the F15SG version. Note: Koreas F15K is generally not regarded as 4.5 gen as it lacks AESA. It also uses Samsung electronics.

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New video by Rafael on the Python 5 short range air to air and/or ground to air missile:



Open source information puts air-to-air range at 3 to 40km. Derby is a lengthened version of the Python 5 missile with even greater range.

Aircraft cleared to use the missile: F16 (Blocks 15/30/40/50/52 + later models) and the F-15 (A/B/C/D + later models) as well as the Kfir, LCA, and F-5. It is likely to be integrated with Israel's F35Is and as such, Singapore F35s are likely to carry it too.

Users in South East Asia: 1) Thailand -Python 4

2) Singapore - Python 4/5 and Derby/Derby ER - on F16Vs/F15SG aircraft and Spyder SHORADs

3) Philippines - Python 5 and Derby/Derby/Derby ER on Spyder medium range version (booster rocket for additional range)

4) Vietnam - Python 5 and Derby/Derby ER on Spyder SHORADs

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Mar 12 2023, 11:09 AM)
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prc Anti-aircraft missiles, Anti-ship missiles, Surface radar, Air radar, Fighter jets range in scs.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-boxed-am...litary-d2833768

Almost all air and sea movement in s&s is monitored by prc
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Due to Earth curvature Ground Radar at best can detect something in the air at 350km and sea target at 50km. One can relied on satellite but everyone has access to satellites surveillance even tiny states as they can just paid airbus for access and it can only pass an area once every few hours. By that time the ship is already gone but Chinese stolen island can't move and has a fixed GPS coordinates.

Buying missiles & jet is easy but The challenge is ISTAR. Chinese equipment can only talk to another Chinese equipment but other countries asset assuming they get NATO standard one are capable of cooperative engagement.

If a shooting start with tongsan & US. Then other ASEAN state can just kepochi sending their MaLE,MPA,awac and claim to be neutral but at the back feed American with intel.

If the American blockage the straits of Malacca, Persian gulf, Panama & Suez canal then there's nothing the Chinese can do about it.

It's the Chinese that had their back against the wall rather than the American.
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Due to Earth curvature Ground Radar at best can detect something in the air at 350km and sea target at 50km. One can relied on satellite but everyone has access to satellites surveillance even tiny states as they can just paid airbus for access  and it can only pass an area once every few hours. By that time the ship is already gone but Chinese stolen island can't move and has a fixed GPS coordinates.

Buying missiles & jet is easy but The challenge is ISTAR.  Chinese equipment can only talk to another Chinese equipment but other countries asset assuming they get NATO standard one are capable of cooperative engagement.

If a shooting start with tongsan & US. Then other ASEAN state can just kepochi sending their MaLE,MPA,awac and claim to be neutral but at the back feed American with intel.

If the American blockage the straits of Malacca, Persian gulf, Panama & Suez canal then there's nothing the Chinese can do about it.

It's the Chinese that had their back against the wall rather than the American.
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You think DaGe is noob ? If shooting starts DaGe gonna aim for the head shot = priceless American Aircraft carriers. To send a lovely sms to the American public & politicians.
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The current F35 engine makers, Pratt & Whitney, wins the F-35 engine upgrade program

- Military officials said Friday they determined Pratt & Whitney’s proposal to modernize the already existing F135s in a program called the Engine Core Upgrade was the most cost-efficient option that would work for all F-35s.


https://www.defensenews.com/air/2023/03/13/...l-upgrade-f135/

Some benefits of the "updated" F135 engine:

1) Thrust/acceleration more than 10 percent increase or 10% to 20% increase.

2) Range more than 10 percent increase or 10% to 20% increase.

3) F35B will have more than >5% increase in vertical lift

4) 50% improvement in thermal management

5) overall more energy to install future upgrades like lasers.







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The so-called flying brick is turning out to be the benchmark for 5th gen medium stealth fighters - and by now, roundly tested in all kinds of environments and climate.

And combat-used/proven:

https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/30409-is...ir-to-air-kills



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post Mar 18 2023, 02:40 PM

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Good video of the stealth vessel in used by Singapores Naval Diving unit and built by ST Marine:



I suppose it will work with RSN's high speed naval interceptor and USVS.

High Speed Stealth Naval Interceptor



USVs in used by RSN (RSN uses at least 3 types - last count):



^ this 17m-18m rather large USV will also be carried internally by RSN's MRCV heavy frigates (at least 2 per ship) though it wont be in maritime security configuration - likely surveillance + anti-sub or surveillance + anti-surface or surveillance + anti-sub operations. The design of the vessel is from a Taiwanese firm but it has been upgraded by Sgs DSTA for use by RSN - likely cheaper than the competing design from ST Engineering



^ this ST Marine Venus's USV meanwhile is used for anti-mine and anti-sub operations. RSN claims this is a world first.

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^RSN's Protector USV from Rafael - largely for maritime security protection operations.

Im not sure what the first USV is called and/or the variants.

Note: All the USVs and stealth boats are usually armed in operational service with cannons/guns and optionally with Spike missiles e.g:



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Spike missiles on Protector USV (stealthy variant):



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Something I missed. Blue Spear/Sea Serpent/PTO2020/Gabriel 5 comes with a hardened casing (from Janes report) I suppose for bunkers and yes - bullets e.g. CIWS.

Actually, I am not so sure Sg will purchase the domestically produced missile to replace the ageing Harpoons or in its current form.

There are online reports of a more advanced Gabriel 5 with multi spectral targeting system etc.

But yes, the missile is currently rolling off the factory floor in Sg and Israel for customers.

Time will tell..and the harpoons have to go and I think..soon.

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Now why would they want 2 "relatively" new 500+ ton patrol vessels?

Indonesia and Singapore may want Brunei to pull its own weight in the seas around Natuna against you know who. There is some sort of joint coordination between Indonesia and Singapore there as Ive read.

These vessels have high levels of automation + they can be equipped with French Exocet Blk 1C or US Harpoon or Singapore's Blue Spear surface to surface missiles + point defence SAMs e.g. mistral 3 (7km+ range) or Barak 1 (>12km - Singapores outgoing Victory class corvettes are quipped with 16 Barak 1 vertically launched missiles. Barak 1 also has a limited local area defence capability against air and surface targets). Singapore can certainly make these upgrades for Brunei.

In future, Brunei (pursuant to the familiarity of using a Singaporean system) may opt for something larger like the Al-Ofouq class made by Singapore for Oman:

https://www.shipspotting.com/photos/2652293

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ofouq-class_patrol_vessel
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Seriously, these are "youthful" ships at about 20 years old each. Can Sg give some to My pretty pls...4 left after 2 given to Brunei and 4 refitted as maritime security vessels.

Source: RSN

For info: The Fearless class was replaced by the larger Independence class Littoral Mission Vessels:

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Mar 18 2023, 01:58 PM)
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The current F35 engine makers, Pratt & Whitney, wins the  F-35 engine upgrade program

- Military officials said Friday they determined Pratt & Whitney’s proposal to modernize the already existing F135s in a program called the Engine Core Upgrade was the most cost-efficient option that would work for all F-35s.
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2023/03/13/...l-upgrade-f135/

Some benefits of the "updated" F135 engine:

1) Thrust/acceleration more than 10 percent increase or 10% to 20% increase.

2) Range more than 10 percent increase or 10% to 20% increase.

3) F35B will have more than >5% increase in vertical lift

4) 50% improvement in thermal management

5) overall more energy to install future upgrades like lasers.
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Additional upgrades apart from the above:



RSAF being a smart later buyer will get all of these upgrades. The same upgrades will also be retrofitted into current operational F35s.

**Please note that RCS reduction is becoming common. What makes a combat jet truly 5th gen is really the digital and electronic systems, electronic warfare and data fusion that makes it able to see first, see further, see the whole battlespace, strike first and strike both tactically and strategically as part of an overarching battle system.**

No other combat jet has these capabilities - which the f22 and f35 have right now. That makes all these other jets 4.5 gen at most.

Mais note: i edited the previous post on RSNs USVs to correct the videos esp. RSNs Venus USVs.

This post has been edited by Mai189: Mar 19 2023, 02:26 PM

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