I've heard many bad stories about study debt from doctors.

Majority of doctors don't earn 20k.



This post has been edited by Skylinestar: May 29 2022, 10:04 AM

Yes poor

The work they do can't justify by their pay

Many doctors I came about
For the first 5 years they can tahan, say for saving lives
After that, either they go private
Or specialize then go private
Or open own clinic for those have money

This post has been edited by munak991: May 29 2022, 10:04 AM

Become specialist neuro or heart surgeon.

Or become dermatologist. Women's money easy to earn.

Yes. Last time I played doctor with my neighbour amoi, now I'm poorfag loser

Most people starts poor, but if you're good, u break free from the peasant lives in a few years 🤭 no matter what u do

Doctor specialist career starts at age 40 usually to earn 6 digits every month

Doctor won’t be poor but just had to go thru a long process to become specialist

So those can’t wait ended up as sales or open normal clinic

Doctor
Poor
Drive bmw merc

Omai

Have a surgeon friend telling stories of his early days sleepless night in a surgery room when he still work in gov hospital, it's a busy job as a surgeon, should be paid more for their hectic job.

Doctors that are poor most likely the good doctor with saving/helping ppl life in mind as priority. Doctor can't e poor if you know how to play with the medical insurance claim

Yeah.. one good example drink air suam to cure covid.

This post has been edited by Brotherjoe: May 29 2022, 10:40 AM

yes there are just some lousy dr. can't expect all dr is the same level of skill and expertise. they are stuck in gov hospital because their skill is lousy private nobody want them. then some lousy clinic just no patient because their skill lousy patient don't return.

My sis is now a neurosurgeon specialist in gomen hospital. Yet her pay is less than rm20k

And she is going to be a consultant soon.

True. Malaysia doctors are paid very little. Only those specialist doctors are very well paid. Those from rich family background can afford the more than rm 1 million specialist programme.

This post has been edited by Questions12345: May 29 2022, 10:27 AM

poor ma ass, doctor can never be poor, at bottom line still get decent salary, if they able to climb higher to like specialist, the money they earn better than u do business.

yes. we medical doctors very poor. not reach /k's RM20k/month standard yet.

me onli have motor after 10 years of govt service. so sadding. T_T

Kek, look at the reply from /k

Don't see the top tier doctors
See the average doctors

But just like all decent level job, it's all back to their lifestyle at the end of the day, if u getting 15-20k a month but wants a T20 gadget and their fashion sense, then off coz u going broke at the end of the month.🤪

Houseman get paid around rm4500. Before OnCall allowances etc. Grade u41

Medical officers get around rm8000++ grade u44

Specialist get around rm13000++ grade u52

Consultant maybe rn15000++ grade u52 or jusa.

Once get jusa, will get a gomen car.

That's under gomen service.

Think should be decent once you become a specialist or if you're a popular GP. My children's paediatrician has 15-20 patients a day. Charges each between 85-105 range for consultation. Not sure how much the hospital takes.

Actually they aint poor. They been swindled BY mushroom of private universities with no credibility/recognition in Malaysia/overseas Commonwealth system.

Which ended in their career progress cost.

And the KKM and MOE never address this problem.

Who to blame at the end?

Politician Like the name Dr.M

cannot other peoples better than /k la.. must make self feels good.

There's a news few years ago about those private hospital doctors unpaid tax that reach millions per year, crazy T20 level tax for private hospital doctors.

Doctors are late game hero.

How much debt repayment amonth or how much fama epf burn to fund study ?

Not worth it la work like dog only when 50 above specalize only make money

Or go tik tok promote product and self claim doctors recommend to supplement income

Study to pay back loans is worst than strawberry utuber that never studied post spm

first 10 yrs maybe struggle a little

once they make the jump to private, making 6 figures a month no issue one

+1 on this. If late game u able become specialist in private hospital/clinic, or open own, fuh, that is like 6 divine rapier

Only those in private sectors are rich

But not super rich though

that's what the main question is: majority

Most people only see the decent income but didn't want to account they graduate with rm500k loan

My friend is driving govt provided proton perdana

Ranking is head of 3 states

Dont think so…my bro and 2 lil sis graduated medical doctors with full scholarship…

I wont say they are rich like businessmen but unbelievably super comfortable with their iron rice bowl income…

Driving good cars living in good house. Future and retirement life confirm secured edi with pensions…

U already say the most important keyword : full scholarship

Not everyone can get it
Many had to pay for it

Same case as becoming a commercial pilot

majority of people don't get scholarship

thanks to society who now rewards content creators, influencers on social media etc more so than healthcare professionals. people now value superficial things more than own health and well being

healthcare professionals should never enter the profession due to financial purpose anyway. that's why majority is underpaid since no one really giving them incentives as not many takes health seriously. COVID situation was good example to understand people's behaviour towards healthcare system and their own general health overall

No wonder gomen reluctant to confirm many to be MO.
Only year to year contract!

Kek


Lol MO 8k+++
Mana ada

Ud56/58 takes 15-20 years i think


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study computer better. cheap school fee but can get high celery can wfh. study medic expensive long work hour expose to virus.

How old is she.. should be making 15k a month?. Why she don't go private? Neurosurgeon private one of the highest pay right? She got tell u how much can earn?

Business anyone can open with money. Doctor u think anyone can just say eh I wanna be specialist leh, I pay money let me enter... Oh I also don't want to work after 10pm, like a kedai business also tutup after that.

Lmao.

She 41yo.

Yes around rm15k. I dont know her reason for not going private. Maybe she wanted to be consultant first.

I am submitting her income tax so I know her pay.

U wat specialist now. Tell tell

In government service, Dr can climb the ladder very quick.


Most U52-U56 age around 40s. Some even below 40.
By the time becoming JUSA, mid 40s, easily get Dato/Datuk of still in government service.

Then, resign la join private sector.

Or wait to retire and enjoy JUSA pension, full salary.

In other government sectors, you’ll be lucky to reach JUSA before 55.
Some, only JUSA C with only a year or two of service. No hope of getting to JUSA B.



The thing is, head of government department in every state usually JUSA C.
But in every hospital, easily more that one JUSA.
A big, state-capital hospital, each of department (ortho, pead) in that hospital headed by a JUSA. Director of hospital can be JUSA B.
Which equivalent, or more than Director General of small department like Met Dept, JAKOA, Fisheries Dept

This post has been edited by Letstorque5: May 29 2022, 12:36 PM

Poor empathy

My friend 10 years just complete specialist training. Jump outside ownself also don't dare.. patient see no white hair ask is legit doctor or fake one

Majority is not top tier. Lmao. Average is majority rit.

Maybe it's just me, but if one has made a decision to be a doctor the first thing on their mind should not be about remuneration but about how they can be the best to save lives. There must be commitment and dedication, put their heart and soul into it because they're dealing with peoples lives.

If pay is so important, they shouldn't be doctors in the first place. Go be a politician

This post has been edited by alternativehype: May 29 2022, 12:33 PM

U urself ask la... Since u earn 20k. Whether what she do to earn 15k is easy like what ktard said.

U tell her go private hospital, every specialist there is consultant... Lmao.

What do one expect from milling

siham specialist.

Maybe she want to help lot of unfortunate that cant afford private hefty bill. She save a lot of orang kampung from pedalaman. They been so thankful of her service and buy her hamper fod saving their loves one life.

At the mean time I making about 3-4 times her pay just selling on Shopee which a SPM drop out can do.

This post has been edited by ListenToTheWind: May 29 2022, 12:41 PM

It's not wrong to expect to be paid reasonably for the services they render. A doctor can be a good doctor and be paid well. Just because someone is paid well, he is not a good doctor?

If you pay doctors well they won't need to think about renumeration, and they will devote their time to patients instead of playing crypto or saham etc , doing extra shifts in clinics outside

In fact that's why some professions are paid well . To prevent them from having to look for sources of income unscrupulously. For example judge etc.

Thank you for educating stupid /ktards. Besides the stories of bbws and aunties ....

This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: May 29 2022, 12:39 PM

am not saying doctor or business anyone also cincai can do but one with his expertise and experience as a specialist, the income they going to earn is better than most businessman

bodo

I see my doctor fren very rich 1 le.....but he free do locum la

O&g? Wow. Congrats.

It's neither KKM or MOEs fault. People die2 want to be doctor, eventhough the programme that they chose to study isn't accredited. Medicine is supposed to be limited, not everyone can study it. If they can't get a placement, then it's fine. There's a ton of other degrees you can choose from. But no, need to get into medicine at all costs.

Same goes to engineering. You have people taking courses from literally who universities that's not accredited from BEM because they weren't accepted with the ones that were accredited. Summore the one that makes me laugh are the ones taking the 3 years programme one without the intention of continuing to masters.... And then blame anjingliars kenot get job. Lol.

This post has been edited by CertifiedHomphobe: May 29 2022, 12:42 PM

Heard that medical professional get 6% discount from BMW Malaysia.
Not only Dr, but architect and lawyer too.

Maybe from Merc too.

Bodo. U compare like that I also compare u other aspects la. Bodo

no. i specialize onli in my wifuuu siham.

That one is so that people will see their brands as high keras la. Imagine all professionals drive BMW. Those M40 will say wahhh so yeng man that car driven by so many professionals

It's part of marketing. Not for charity... Not like BMW thank doctors for fighting covid so they give discount lmao

This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: May 29 2022, 12:43 PM

different aspect, ur brain too simple cant differentiate i forgive u

bodo

Many specialist migrate to sg, Australia, UK.....

It is always better than lowly paid Malaysia.....

U bodo don't say me. Like that u go compare unemployed people easier la

Doctor earn more than penganggur. Habis cerita.

Kesian, some are top students in their respective school, then have to work like a slave in govt hospitals.
If its done for the passion, i guess its worth it.
End of the day, they are humans also, have ends meet.

No people say they have to be poor, priority is serving others .

Many specialist earn rm200k per mth

Every career start also hard wan la... it depends how u progress your career in later stages. Doctor also same.

U need to work your way up to certain level like become specialists or consultants, then the money will come, regardless u are good doctor or lousy doctor. Yes, seen a few lousy specialists before, still dare open clinic outside... cibai

I think on average, most doctor should have good income compare to other profession.

Yes. I know it is marketing. Not charity.

Haha... 6% are nothing if u can monthly 4k instl

Blame the System OR blame the one allowing such floodgate to easily take place.

Die die want to become doctor, better just go volunteer at Humanitarian Refugee camps. They got Red Cross. Not capitalist career money.

Same as msia engineers, do you see them doing any very simple off study work that is in the field like volunteer the electrification? improve the livelyhood of particular poor community?

Msia education system is stupid to begin with especially the one having too much low class PhD that yield poor impact.

and insurance agents, and employees from many private companies too

all that means is nothing but how high is the margin earned by BMW principal dealer in Msia

suddenly unemployed people pulak

mmg bodo

How to volunteer if your own welfare is not taken care of.

Lmao.

Dr paid well but the quality dropping. I dont see any fuss to increase the salary when the service is abysmal

How to volunteer if your own welfare is not taken care of.

Lmao.

I got friend who is willing to take paycut come back from overseas but can't even get contract job.. if wanna work here must work for free? Might as well stay overseas .... Own welfare is important. If he becomes poor and cannot afford basic upkeeep, will public donate to him? They'll say he stupid , why do stupid thing come back for free and become poor lmao.

I think what u said will happen in a multiverse where doctors get free food free car free house free vacationfree education Then a lot of doctors will not work for money and will volunteer



This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: May 29 2022, 01:00 PM

Yes even the doctor salary increase the quality is far worse than previous generation.

Wrong diagnose(can read many articles about it) that could cause death

In order to reduce "the burden" or overload, gov needs to increase number of doctors but the salary is super high.

So reduce the salary then can hire the more doctors

This post has been edited by Azury36: May 29 2022, 01:09 PM

it is in india.

supposedly, all these are one way another done via general taxation.

i`m referring to those when they were doing the course.

Not when they done studied or graduate.

This post has been edited by Syie9^_^: May 29 2022, 01:12 PM

It's better to stay in government service to get consultant title as there are endless opportunities to try new methods, more patients to practise, latest equipments go to government hospitals first, scholarship for specialist.

NGL my mother has no trust in young doctors

it is normal for ex-top students to work like slaves due to poor eq and iq

Then how to jump outside after working 10 years

eli5 wat u toking bout here

She pays for the study herself or the gov?

Lol lanjiao say doctors poor. Lifestyle T20, spend spend, then say poor. Lanjiao la

Accreditation for engineering degrees only comes with 4 year programmes . You can only be recognized by EAC,BEM and IEM as a graduate engineer if you complete 4 years* (3 years if you had a prior diploma in Eng) so that it aligns with the Washington Accord IEA iirc (Recognized worldwide for countries following that accord).

Of course there are programmes from private Unis eg HW, NTH etc where you'd take 3 year UK Engineering degrees , but you'd need to complete a masters degree for 1 more year so that it gets accredited. If you choose to follow that route , thats perfectly fine , heck its probably more marketable , but budget restriction makes it quite pricey to undertake.

But here comes the kicker . There's a ton of Private Us , heck even public Us where they do engineering courses with ZERO accreditation. These Unis usually advertise that you can finish your degree quicker for 3 years and is supposedly accredited by MQA. The thing is , there's no point in MQA accreditation if EAC and BEM wont recognize the degree. A lot of people fall victim to this , essentially your degree would be worthless and you cant register yourself to be a grad engineer at the end of your course.

I ALWAYS recommend people to look at the accreditation provided. If it's recognized by EAC or BEM then its usually OK. If you can't get a placement in Accredited Engineering Programmes , then its fine. There's a ton more degrees you can take outside of engineering. Desperate people fall for this 'scam' and take engineering degrees from shitty Unis. Engineering has to be accredited . Its not something you can suka2 take . Its a long , strenuous and hard programme that constantly gets monitored by governing bodies. Heck , id even say 4 years isn't enough time for you to take all the courses without kicking you in the balls. Its not something you can do in 3 years , even more so from Unis who don't even have the facilities to do the courses.

FYI EAC also makes sure that lab sessions are monitored .

People who take these 'engineering' degrees are the same people who keep on yelling at echo chambers saying that their engineering degrees are worthless , while it wasn't really an engineering degree in the first place. Same goes to people who call themselves as engineers after finishing their diploma. YOU CANNOT CALL YOURSELF AN ENGINEER WITH JUST A DIPLOMA.

The same thing applies with medicine . You can see how many people go into medicine programmes who end up without getting a placement for housemanships because it isnt recognized.

This post has been edited by CertifiedHomphobe: May 29 2022, 02:40 PM

Yes, my friend is a doctor tho my salary far better than him ( I think his salary is around RM14k). His lifestyle is lavish

Yes, the workload is somehow quite stressful but I don't see him complain so much.

Even he said The Medical Board do this big hooha as a showcase to demand more from the government to increase the salary

As someone who having a wife as doctor at grade UD48. Please don’t refer this. Pretty much cool story.

My old man paid for her double degree. She self sponsor for all her courses. Recently she got scolarship from one of the US hospital to further study to be a consultant at their hospital.

Good for her. I hope she's do well

Wow. uS neurosurgeons get paid so much... it'll make her 15k look like a joke . But from what I know to go to US she needs to study their entrance exam....

The average Neurosurgeon salary in the United States is $637,201 as of April 26, 2022, but the range typically falls between $479,801 and $806,301.

I suggest she go je.. help Malaysians in the end they expect u to drive myvi to work while they drive BMW. Then tell u to suck it up coz u chose medicine .

This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: May 29 2022, 02:58 PM

She go there to get extra exposure only la. To exchange knowledge with the surgeon ove there.

Should be a fellowship la then.machem lord of the rings.

After fellowship then time to cabutz

This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: May 29 2022, 03:00 PM

Haha. Maybe MO salary wrong. But my wife is a specialist at u56. The salary range is about there.

Go private lar. The difference is between heaven and hell.